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hruntabout 4 hours ago
I subscribe to handful of investment-related YouTube channels. This pattern has been common for years. A bot will reply with a comment loosely related to the video and about how something worked for them. Another bot will reply asking how they did that. Another bot (not the original commenter) will reply that they worked with so-and-so or invested in such-and-such, and then there will be maybe four or five more comments responding to that. All obvious bot accounts.

It's obvious on the channels, because these reply sets usually don't contain a lot of replies to comments (if there are any comment replies, it's almost always from the channel owner). It's so obvious, in fact, that I'm surprised YouTube hasn't done something to address it.

lopisabout 3 hours ago
It's been well know to happen on reddit too for many years. Whole posts and comment threads copied verbatim with new accounts. Nowadays with AI you can make it way more dynamic.
pinkmuffinereabout 4 hours ago
Oh I love these comment threads! I like to add another reply saying something like “oh my goodness, I used Elizabeth Ferguson for my investing too!! She went to my college, so I thought I could trust her. But then I found out she was cheating on me with my wife! We got a divorce and i lost half my assets in the separation. Elizabeth Ferguson probably is enjoying them now :(. Just one experience, but buyer beware!”
basilikumabout 3 hours ago
I'd be careful with that. Sounds like you could be mistaken for a bot that is part of the scheme and get your Google account banned.

Then again, you should live under the assumption that your Google account could be banned at any time with no recourse. You do have local backups of all your Google account data and don't need your Gmail account to access anything important, right?

Ralfpabout 3 hours ago
I’ve been seeing this kind of spam on forums all the way back in 2004. I wonder if it was a feature in Xrumer or whatever they used to post spam back then.
Forgeties79about 4 hours ago
They also talk like people in a national ad.

“Wow! Seems like it’s so easy to change over with savings like that!”

sixhobbitsabout 4 hours ago
The bad ones seem like this, the scary part is not knowing if there are good ones
smusamashahabout 1 hour ago
About 20 years ago when I was in university, I was looking for anything to do part time and posting links on random blogs in replies was one of the jobs that could get you some money. The job came with excel sheets containing where to post those links and what to post. I was more interested in automating this process. There was a captcha involved in this process to somewhere. We didn't see it as spamming. It was 'ad posting' job or something.

Don't remember a lot. Just reminded me of my time doing this. I don't remember actually posting much links myself because it was too boring and lots of manual work for not much benefit.

PaulHouleabout 2 hours ago
I knew many link spammers circa 2008 and for a while people were excited by XRumer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XRumer

which was a lot better than other products on the market and solved difficult problems like CAPTCHAs and email verification links and was famous for a "conversational" advertising campaign which generated results like

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/give-me-link-to-...

PaulHouleabout 2 hours ago

   "Remember, there are no technological solutions to social problems."
is something I want to counterpoint with "there are no social solutions to technological problems", like how the looming situation pointed out by the Club of Rome in 1973

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

would be difficult enough to solve in a socially cohesive society run by philosopher kings. Practically you have a choice between democracies which have a 0 probability of being adequate to the task (against the axioms of political science: it's like a perpetual motion machine which violates the first and second laws of thermodynamics and then the old professor chimes in and says it must violate the third too) and autocracies which might get lucky 10⁻¹² of the time; even if the tech fix [1] has a 10⁻³ chance of successfully kicking the can down the road I'd take that chance.

[1] say: liquid salt (not metal) fast breeder reactor with a supercritical CO2 powerset

keyboredabout 1 hour ago
Yeah, I’ve heard that there is some very axiomatic math to being anti-democratic for some reason. Unlike the mathematically sound benevolent and also omniscient philosopher kings.
throwaway667555about 4 hours ago
This also is absolutely rampant on reddit in the past months.
Aurornisabout 4 hours ago
I’m not a heavy Reddit user but I’ve noticed a sharp increase in comment spam disguised as real discussion.

I think the turning point was when they allowed accounts to hide their comment history. Before, when you could click on an account and read all of their other comments it was easy to tell when an account only existed for fake conversations about a product they were spamming.

Now the spam accounts hide their comment history so they can do nothing but spam similar comments all over Reddit and walk the line where it’s not obvious if any single comment is spam or an one off comment from someone trying to be helpful.

Users are using Google and other services to find their other posts and post warnings, but it takes so much more effort now.

AussieWog93about 3 hours ago
Just a thought, but I wonder if Reddit are hiding this information deliberately to prevent anyone from publishing a study estimating what percentage of their traffic is driven by bots (anecdotally, it's a lot - and they used to be mostly organic even half a decade ago).
4chandailyabout 4 hours ago
This has been rampant on reddit for years.
f311aabout 2 hours ago
This is a big problem for wordpress, but custom engines with a simple client-side checks (js based) get close to zero spam. All those spammers use technology fingerprinting services to obtain a list of blogs and they look for popular blog engines only.
lightbulbishabout 2 hours ago
Ironically one reply to the blog post is.. spam

Jack Beagle @blog the ones in your screenshot are pretty good because they are a bit more conversational. I use <product> myself because generally these types of spam messages will be trying to promote something specific but outside of the second message in your example it might have still snuck through. As the LLMs get better the spam messages will certainly get better.

rozumemabout 4 hours ago
Nice. I run a site that depends on user submitted content, and it's really interesting to observe how some people try to get around the guardrails. Not sure if your tool does this, but I would perform some additional checks for comments that have links in them.
keiferskiabout 3 hours ago
This has been a thing since blogs became a widespread thing 25+ years ago. Especially with the advent of Wordpress. It was even a “commonly accepted” SEO tactic for awhile.
alansaberabout 3 hours ago
The post timing is the main giveaway. Surely it wouldn't be that hard to space out these spam posts. The amount of automated comments being spammed on all social platforms is not quite at tipping point, but has significantly increased.
zkmonabout 2 hours ago
Bots would win over all anti-spam, anti-slop measures. All blog posts and comments everywhere would be filled with spam and slop. That's when humanity turns it head away from screens, back towards other humans nearby and start talking to each other, while the ocean of slop and spam keep bubbling, infested bots.
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bawolffabout 1 hour ago
Feels like we are getting closer and closer to https://xkcd.com/810/
djydeabout 2 hours ago
The scariest part is that humans are starting to use AI to generate spam comments, which in turn get used to train the models. Will the language capabilities of these models just keep getting worse?

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keyboredabout 2 hours ago
All replies that just pads out the comment with a summary about TFA look like spam. There is no inkling of any excuse to make the comment so it just has to regurgitate what TFA is about.
xyzalabout 3 hours ago
Text generation is now cheap, so I expect this problem to worsen. I hate to write it, but I don't see any other solution on platforms, that aspire to be a modern agora, than identity verification ...
a2128about 3 hours ago
Why would identity verification solve this? The spammer can just verify himself, or if he doesn't want to or it's at a bigger scale than individual, then there will be services where you can get identity verifications on the cheap and they'll work either by paying people in a poor country to verify themselves all day, or, even more cheaply, sketchy age verification services on sketchy porn sites will be actually proxying or replaying people's verifications to another service of your choice
jancsikaabout 2 hours ago
We're probably close to the point for social networks where authenticity/transparency is more valuable than network effect.

You could probably have a workable social network just with the following properties:

1. Use combination of digital friend-of-a-friend invite chains as well as sign-ups at physical 3rd spaces to build out the social network

2. If a user's account is found to be abusing the network, kick the user that invited that account plus everyone in that branch of the invite tree

3. To re-enable an account from a kicked branch, each user has to visit one of your 3rd spaces (and temporarily lose their invite privileges after re-enabling).

4. Security engineers do what they normally do at social media companies, except you now incentivize them to publicize efforts to reveal attackers so that you generate foot traffic at the 3rd spaces.

Now instead of hiding a report that grandma is friends with a Russian bot, your giddy security team does a publicity stunt to kick 100,000 users on Thursday.

And that will generate record drink sales at your 3rd spaces on Friday. (Senior citizen's discount applies.)

mschuster91about 1 hour ago
Anonymity is valuable on the Internet, particularly when it comes to contentious political topics (think Israel/Palestine, Trump, ...).

We already "self censor" ourselves with "algospeak" [1], I'm not too fond of forcibly breaking anonymity even more than that, especially not by private companies.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak

xyzalabout 2 hours ago
It did solve the spam/russian bot problem on https://www.lide.cz/ . You have to verify yourself using a national ID and you discuss under your citizen name. The conversation is since somehow way more thoughtful and civic than say on FB.

Not that I am happy with it, it would be ideal to have my old internet back.

alansaberabout 3 hours ago
All roads lead to authoritarianism eh
sublinearabout 3 hours ago
I also see a ton of this here on HN as the political topics have ramped up.

Not enough people are flagging those when it aligns with their bias. It's even less likely to get flagged when it's a double whammy of politics and AI. Loosely being about AI should not give it a free pass.

Permitabout 3 hours ago
I haven't seen this. Can you give some examples?
weird-eye-issueabout 3 hours ago
Oh you definitely have seen it
bombcarabout 3 hours ago
I rarely downvote anything; but I’ll unholster the downvote for obvious political spam when it agrees with me.

If we don’t police our side nobody will.

mschuster91about 1 hour ago
> If we don’t police our side nobody will.

The problem is, the other side definitely does not play by the rules and has no intention to. Why should we "police our side" and weaken ourselves? The endless purity testing on the progressive side of politics is a large part of why the far-right is so damn powerful worldwide.

bombcar4 minutes ago
It's not purity testing insofar as "you must support X if you support Y" but "we don't spam" purity testing.

And yes, nobody is going to do it, all politicians understand and support them spamming.