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tectec•about 4 hours ago
Pensions used to be free and great, until the company stole from the pension before they went bankrupt and you were left with nothing.
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
You'll never guess who was responsible for the biggest pension scandal in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell (yes, father of Ghislaine)
syel•about 3 hours ago
I've seen this story in the Tetris movie, he came off as a terrible businessman who was stealing people's money to save his company from bankruptcy
gadders•about 4 hours ago
Pensions used to be great when you had final salary ones.
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
Unfortunately people stopped smoking.

(the downside of 20th century work on increasing life expectancy is that most of it happens in retirement, making pensions much more expensive)

edit: I have not done the maths, but I would not be surprised to discover that the total average pension paid to someone retiring at age 65 in 2026 was much more than the total average pension paid to someone retiring at age 65 in 1986, while at the same time the weekly amount of the earlier one would be higher. Because the more recent one has to spread the money over more years.

(inflation adjusted as well)

gadders•about 1 hour ago
I'd retire later if I got a higher pension rate.

i.e.

Opt to retire at 65, but you get a defined contribution pot

Opt to retire at 70, you get final salary pension.

syel•about 4 hours ago
Yeah that must have sucked tbh
lotsofpulp•about 3 hours ago
Pensions used to be great when 0.1% expense ratio target date funds were not available.

It makes no sense to give someone else control of your savings in this day and age.

syel•about 3 hours ago
I think it depends on your financial literacy, I know a lot of people who have no idea how to invest their money, you would be surprised how many people would be more comfortable with someone else managing their life savings for them
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
You are absolutely right to want a pension in addition to just regular savings, because a pension has huge tax benefits. (UK)
lotsofpulp•about 3 hours ago
Someone choosing to be illiterate and getting scammed out of their money still does not make sense. Life doesn’t get much easier than picking the target date fund with the year you expect to stop working.
tim-tday•about 4 hours ago
Inflation adjusted?
mitthrowaway2•about 2 hours ago
Looking at an inflation calculator, the average rate since 1980 has been 3.06% over 46 years. Compounded, 1.0306^46 = 4.0.

So, adjusting for inflation, a single income family in 1980 would be equivalent to a four-income family today. Since millennials currently get by with just two incomes, they actually come out way ahead when adjusted for inflation.

syel•about 3 hours ago
No, as it's mainly supposed to be a humorous/satirical take similar to other experiences on the site. I didn't intend for it to be a finance piece originally but I know if inflation adjusted, whole experience will change.
MarkusQ•about 4 hours ago
Not adjusting for inflation and quality really damages the integrity of the comparisons, as does cherry picking your base examples.

Taking your first, the $47K 3 bedroom starter home with a yard. In 2026 that would be $200K (cumulative inflation is a little over 4x[1]); picking a random US city[2] and looking on Zillow[3] I find that...yeah, you can get a comparable home today.

There are certainly arguments to be made about tradeoffs, quality issues (though those aren't as obvious as you might initially suppose[4]) and so on. But just listing unadjusted price comparisons like this is disingenuous.

[1] https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1980?amount=1 [2] https://www.randomlists.com/random-us-cities [3] https://www.zillow.com [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4C62HC1HSo

briffle•about 3 hours ago
> Not adjusting for inflation and quality really damages the integrity of the comparisons, as does cherry picking your base examples.

But then they also need to make sure to also match salaries to inflation too.. Because wages have not kept up with inflation, which is the reason for most of this..

MarkusQ•about 3 hours ago
> wages have not kept up with inflation

This is not true.

https://econofact.org/factbrief/fact-check-have-inflation-ad...

psadauskas•about 3 hours ago
Just "adjusting for inflation" isn't good enough. Minimum wage was $4/hr. Now its $8. An elementary school custodian could afford a mortgage, a car, support a family of 4 and go on vacation on just that single income. They had healthcare and a pension. You could work over the summer and pay for a year of college at a state school.

Yes, the house now is more energy efficient. The car is safer. But if the price of everything went up 4x-10x, and the median income only went up 2x, AND you have to pay for more things that used to be included, then everything is more unaffordable, inflation be damned.

maldusiecle•about 2 hours ago
In 1979, 13% of US hourly workers were making the federal minimum wage. By 2025, that number had dropped to 1%.

Inflation-adjusted wages have been at worst stagnant. Inflation-adjusting prices is necessary for these comparisons to be meaningful at all.

This is a website for engineers, you should be embarrassed to be posting these completely innumerate comments.

neaden•about 3 hours ago
"An elementary school custodian could afford a mortgage, a car, support a family of 4 and go on vacation on just that single income. " Can I ask what you are basing this off of? I'm fairly skeptical of this claim.
syel•about 3 hours ago
Thanks for the feedback. The whole experience/site is mainly satirical/humorous. It's not inflation adjusted cause I didn't want it turn into a finance piece tbh, but you're definitely right, if inflation adjusted most cards need to be re-built to account for inflation and better judge what we're getting today vs what we used to get
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
It's about money! How is it not a finance piece?
xattt•about 3 hours ago
“JUST A PRANK, BROS‼”
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
Not adjusting for inflation makes it look completely stupid.

There's one good effort - comparing a car to the salary of a car-worker. But it only has half the comparison (what are today's car workers earning?). That's the comparison that Marx would recognize: how long do the people making something have to work to buy the thing they made?

alex43578•about 3 hours ago
Is the implicit expectation that people making something should have some correlation with their ability to buy that thing?

The assembly-worker making a Civic and a 7 Series BMW are doing effectively the same thing, but the BMW assembler shouldn’t be getting paid 3 to 4x.

MarkusQ•about 3 hours ago
The reference to Marx and (implicitly) the labor theory of value renders the GP unserious. Just looking at the people doing the assembly (and not all the people in the supply chain), ignoring the time aspect (I doubt there's any product that costs more than one of the people assembling it would expect to make over the time it would take them to single-handedly create the product from scratch), and so on.

It's a nonsensical position, meant to invoke a certain sort of feels, and nothing more.

syel•about 3 hours ago
Will review the numbers this week and see how I can update all numbers to adjust for inflation while keeping the satirical angle
pjc50•about 3 hours ago
"The summer job" card gets this exactly right and is a good example.

I'd paste the text, but you've somehow disabled select/copy/paste, UX strike number two.