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I duplicated a couple of RFID things, used the IR for some stuff, and once in a while used the radio receiver, but mostly it looks pretty.
I'm not sure what I'd do with a Flipper One, but I guess I've done a lot of things with Raspberry Pis so... maybe?
The key question will be how much it costs. Beyond $250-300, it's a lot more of a niche product. Below $250 would be very interesting. I don't think it will be below $300. With current memory and storage pricing, probably $350-400 is more realistic :(
I'm guessing it'll be $1000 or so. (Which is good for me. Well above my impulse buy threshold. I don't regret buying my Flipper Zero, because it was within my impulse buy and not regret it threshold.)
haha
(Clockwork comes close: https://www.clockworkpi.com/, as do these tiny handheld laptops with network and serial ports like GPD's Micro PC)
sry had to do this...
Today I used my swiss army knife for the first time in a year because I needed a narrow flathead in a pinch. Not all tools need to be used everyday. I can't remember the last time I used my 3/8" wrench.
Now our 10mm sockets on the other hand, would be used everyday if we could ever lay our hands on one when we need them.
Thank you.
Yeah, I always lose my 10mm as well...
If you are adventurous, many ski stations have low-tech cards as well, although they also tend to have human controllers once in a while.
And, finally, kids like running around with Flipper Zero opening power taps on Teslas.
one time I parked in a tesla near to a bank of superchargers.
every time someone hooked up their car to charge (pressing the button on the charging cable), my charge port would swing open.
every minute or two...
(granted, facial recognition in a ski resort is uh. an interesting challenge)
https://github.com/nfcgate/nfcgate
Ive been more excited for this https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/interrupt/ interrupt-linux-powered-hacking-gadget/description. I used to have a One Plus One with Nethunter. That was a lot more useful as a hacking device. The only issue is that it required external adapters for things like wifi deauth, ir remote, e.t.c. But the ability to customize things on the fly was way better, compared to Flipper which you really can't do.
I can just do all of it with a laptop. At that price point they will have to put it, it will not be worth it to buy it to carry it around to play around 'sometimes'.
I don't think one very specific, custom made, non upgradable linux device gives me that much benefit through an exculsivley free driver.
And just wait for the price point.
Tbh i do like that they are doing this, i like the idea of cyberdecks etc. i just don't think that this Flipper One makes relevant sense. And im quite convinced that Flipper Zero is sitting in a lot of drawers and are absolutly unused.
If they would work/support the framework laptop modules, or would build usb hacker rf type style things and the linux software, that would reduce their risk and increase the reach. But a custom device like this?
imo the flipper always needed to be a software-defined transciever, with a small FPGA to drive it, like the other SDRs on the market. I'm disappointed they seem to have forsaken radio completely.
[1]: https://docs.flipper.net/one/hardware/m2-port/modules [2]: https://www.crowdsupply.com/wavelet-lab/ssdr
Plus incredibly high sample rates that the sSDR supports would likely result in a lot of drops in sampling due to sustained throughput issues of the device itself. You'd be surprised how much dropping occurs on even fairly modern/grunty machines. I used to record X band weather satellite baseband on a HP Dev One and ended up using a ramdisk for baseband recording as the PCIe 2.0 bus wasn't able to handle the sustained write speeds once the nvme drive's buffer was maxed out. Basically anything above 30Msps would go to RAM.
As strong as the lure is of a cute RF device, I've never bought a flipper as I couldn't justify it given the multitude of other SDRs and radio hardware I have. EG RFNM, BladeRF 2.0 xA4, hackRF clone, RTL-SDRs and NESDRs, as well as a YardStick.
No
In germany radio frequencies are also protected. For citizen band / CB above channel 40 you need to register yourself. Every radio device needs to be certified. The only people in germany allowed to build their own radio devices are people with a amateur radio license.
There are countries where you technically need a ham radio license to import a radio, even if you are theoretically allowed to use it just to listen.
Actually, putting all of this powerful hardware into a custom aluminum enclosure with gorilla glass and then using a 6-bit low resolution grayscale display is a weird choice. I guess they were going for a certain grayscale low-fi vibe?
The "needs verification" and "needs clarification" lines are weird. Like they asked someone (or ChatGPT?) to review some docs and post something, but forgot to review it first.
There's a comment at the bottom about that. Quoting the response:
> From the Linux side, it's a standard framebuffer and keyboard that applications interact with as usual. However, our connection allows the MCU to intercept them and overlay additional content — for example, if the CPU hangs, we can still show a menu on the display and respond to button presses, say for a reboot. This also lets us have a low-power mode with the display still on.
Which sounds reasonable.
https://github.com/flipperdevices/flipperone-docs/commits/pu...
Remember these?:
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81sQxjJBn1L._AC_.jpg
let me build an ARP table, then give me a button to send WoL packets to host(s) of my choosing.
Let me generate p0f fingerprints on MITM'd traffic.
What would you use instead?
Calling it "voice commands" or "AI voice assistant" is just marketing. I think the latter is a bit out of touch though, they are not selling a smartphone. I would even go as far as saying they are selling an "anti-smartphone".
If someone said "I asked ChatGPT to make a safe Flipper One and pasted it", I'd believe it. Some stuff here... just doesn't make much sense.
I can imagine having your agent of preference writing python scripts on the fly for whatever scenario you have in mind based on your spoken desires is like... literally a dream device, at least for me.
The main focus here seems to be networking, not Radio/IR/etc... In fact it doesn't even have these features. They could be added but that would be missing the point. The point of the Flipper Zero is to have all these in a cute little package, and have a community around a common hardware platform. If you start adding stuff, there are certainly better/cheaper options, especially if you already have a laptop, or maybe even a smartphone.
Also the original Flipper Zero is about $200, it is at the upper limit of what can be considered a toy. Something you can buy without thinking "do I really need this?". The Flipper One is far more powerful, and the casing is not just a plastic clamshell, so it is likely to be significantly more expensive, so, not a toy, especially if you buy accessories, like a PCIe SDR.
Also, part of the appeal of the Flipper Zero is that out of the box, it does things that few non-specialized devices do, especially sub-GHz radio. The Flipper One is essentially just a computer. I already have WiFi and Ethernet on plenty of other devices, so it doesn't really open new possibilities.
I guess they are trying to go for a more serious tool this time, because as it is, I don't see people buying it on a whim like with the Flipper Zero.
Side note: There is a somewhat surprising lack of PoE, considering how much attention the gave to power management, and the fact that one of their use cases involve a security camera. Maybe they did consider it but some technical reasons made it impractical, 48V may be too much to handle.
there are now hardware clones and evolutions(!) of the flipper zero, community alt firmwares, add-on thingymajigs etc; if they stay as open with this one, having some 'cyberdeck r&d' done with funding might be cool
e.g. if they do a good job on the os side, it could become a cool jumping-off point for a variety of builds
note i've never actually owner a flipper device or clone :p
For such a powerful device, I think the lack of a QWERTY keyboard and the inherited orange backlit monochrome display are two of its shortcomings. I don't want to carry a keyboard or screen with me, I want it to be able to take more human input/output without accessories.
For those interested in hackable, handheld Linux devices, the M5Stack Cardputer Zero is also worth a look. It will launch on Kickstarter soon, and I have reserved an early bird spot.
Off the top of my head
HackRF one- relatively cheap, pretty good transceiver, lots of crappy clones
USRP B205mini, expensive, fast, closer to pro equipment
The flipper's primary use is that looks like a children's toy, which makes it far more effective for demos of how bad an orgs security is to not-especially-technical stakeholders than something like a hackrf or chameleon
I think in Canada they were trying to ban it!
M2 slot or a clipon addon? Nice to see more Swiss Army knives in this space
I like that subreddit too with the e-ink display wifi probing thing forget what it's called oh pwnagotchi
Dual ARM Cortex-M33 @ 150 MHz + Dual RISC-V Hazard3 @ 150 MHz
There's no regulation against carrying one around with you, including on flights.
- Form factor will barely fit everything (battery).
- Specs are LLM generated/hallucinated. Can tell by writing/emoji style and specs itself.
- GPIO connector pinout specced by someone with no fast digital logic experience.
- Buying flipper zero was (is it still?) pumping money to russia. Even after pretending to re-allocate their infrastructure was still in russia before being hidden behind cloudflare.
This also feels like the target market is people who said they dangled this off an RPi-alike to do something that the microcontroller simply did not have the processing to do.