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Radleabout 6 hours ago
From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”

Obvious plant nobody would be that stupid to store the valuables at home within the first six months after the „acquisition“.

——

Also the CIA was unable to confirm his discharge with the navy earlier? As if people aren’t properly vetted every time they switch jobs within the agency. (Especially considering his CIA career was on an upward trajectory)

I have no clue what Mr. Rush actually did but it was neither of these two things which earned him ire.

Maybe he’s a traitor and the gold + foreign money are bribes. If the CIA doesn’t want to explain what he‘s been bribed for the charges make a more sense.

seanhunter5 minutes ago
> Obvious plant nobody would be that stupid to store the valuables at home within the first six months after the „acquisition“.

Whenever you say "nobody would be that stupid" you have to pause and take a deep breath and realise that however dumb something is, there are for sure people who are stupid enough to do it.

Example 1 from personal experience: I was at my aunt's house and she had to rush a friend's husband to get medical help because he had drilled a hole in his own stomach with a hand drill while trying to put up a bookshelf.

The friend had been reading a book on medieval medicine so (rather than rushing her husband immediately to hospital) decided to try a medieval remedy on him so fed him some soup to see whether (in line with the medieval diagnostic routine) she could smell it after he had eaten it. She could indeed, because it dribbled out of the hole he had drilled in his stomach.

Now. You might reasonably say: "Noone would be so dumb as to drill a hole in their own stomach" or indeed "noone would be so dumb as to see a loved one who had drilled a hole in themselves and decide to feed them soup" but I can tell you from direct personal experience there are people dumb enough to do this.

Example 2 from personal experience[1]: A friend of my dad who was a highly capable chemical engineer and generally very practical guy (eg he made a motorcycle for his kids to play on using salvaged parts including a lawnmower engine and a frame he welded together himself) was a hobby parachutist. He broke his spine because he decided to modify his parachute himself on his wife's sewing machine in spite of having no previous sewing experience.

However dumb something is, there are people dumb enough to do it and even otherwise smart people have blind spots that make them incredibly dumb under the right circumstances.

[1] Just in case you think smart people can't do incredibly dumb things.

derefrabout 6 hours ago
> nobody would be that stupid to store the valuables at home within the first six months after the „acquisition“.

But where else would you keep it? A safe-deposit box at a bank?

I think, if I received illegitimate gold bars and figured the FBI might look into that, I would choose to keep them somewhere where a judge would think twice before issuing a search warrant for. Judges don't generally just issue search warrants for residences willy-nilly (because there can often be collateral damage); they're much more blasé about issuing search warrants for safe-deposit boxes.

Or are you imagining he'd go bury the gold in a hole in the woods somewhere?

unsupp0rtedabout 6 hours ago
> Or are you imagining he'd go bury the gold in a hole in the woods somewhere?

Why not?

Aurornisabout 5 hours ago
Why not carry 600 lbs of gold bars out into the forest and bury them, then hope nobody thought it was suspicious to see someone carrying a shovel into the forest on any one of the trips necessary to do it?
derefrabout 4 hours ago
Because, for someone with any kind of security clearance, suddenly going out to the woods, if you don't normally go out to the woods, would be a major outlier from your highly-scrutinized and documented regular life; and so could easily lead the FBI to finding your buried gold, without having to get any kind of warrant.
phendrenad2about 5 hours ago
Why not make multiple trips to carry extremely heavy metal, as a frail office worker, into the woods, which are full of hikers and hunters, on country roads in a suspicious-looking sedan, with a shovel in hand? And then do it all over again whenever you intend to retrieve these gold bars to do whatever it is you want to do with them? Why indeed.
formerly_provenabout 5 hours ago
> Judges don't generally just issue search warrants for residences willy-nilly

What are you on about, searching homes is the #1 criminal investigation technique once you're able to name a suspect.

colonwqbangabout 2 hours ago
It's funny, some people commenting here seem to be a bit lost.

It's also obvious from the article that his home was indeed searched.

The idea that the government would not obtain a warrant if they suspect you of stealing millions...

saghmabout 4 hours ago
Honestly I'm just trying to wrap my head around the fact that you can just ask for $40M in gold bars as a CIA agent and they don't have a better way of figuring out if you pocketed it than looking for it later (and apparently taking a while to think of checking his home?)
expedition3238 minutes ago
Who watches the watchers?
bandramiabout 5 hours ago
CIA recruits a lot of square pegs who didn't quite fit in to other parts of government
rbanffyabout 5 hours ago
But it still vets them. This is very odd.
e40about 1 hour ago
Vetting has been put on hold in cases where there are labor shortages. Don’t remember where, but I read an account of a military guy applying to ICE and they did no vetting at all, and had he accepted the jobs with a sizablebonus (he did it to see what their process was) he would have been deployed without training. At the time the source and person seemed credible.

This is what happens when a new administration fires the incumbent experts and hires by loyalty tests.

thephyber15 minutes ago
Does it?

He is accused of fabricating his educational credentials.

Either this guy is fantastic at lying or the orgs where he worked are falling flat on due diligence.

blitzarabout 4 hours ago
I think they are a couple of standard deviations more fucked up than the average person still.
rubyn00bieabout 4 hours ago
Planting drugs would be wildly easier, both logistically and conveniently. Gold bars have got to be among the least easy ways to manufacture evidence to throw someone behind bars. Hell it could even easily explain the gold bars…

There’s zero reason to assume this is anything but exceptional incompetence, and looking at the current administration that’s wildly easy to believe.

Aurornisabout 5 hours ago
> Obvious plant nobody would be that stupid to store the valuables at home within the first six months after the „acquisition“.

This is an entertaining conspiracy theory because you'd have to believe that the CIA was so smart that they would completely manufacture a story to get someone arrested, yet so dumb that they'd make up a story that raises questions and makes them look like they did some stupid things.

If a powerful organization hypothetically wanted to get someone arrested by planting evidence, do you really believe this is the best idea they could come up with?

fc417fc802about 5 hours ago
The idea isn't that they manufacture it from scratch but rather that they contrive a convenient explanation for the physical reality that already exists. In that scenario the evidence isn't planted but rather misattributed.
p0w3n3dabout 3 hours ago
There's this one guy who's apparently also insider and he and his family earns a lot of money because of market manipulation with his decisions. Maybe FBI should get into him as well?
jgiliasabout 3 hours ago
Nah, he’ll just get some deal where the FBI can’t investigate him and his family for anything ever. Yay for democracy and rule of law.
pyuser58327 minutes ago
I read a book by a CIA officer. A big part the job is carrying around tons of cash for shady people. It’s understood that if you take the cash for yourself, you go to prison.

The ironic thing is the money usually goes missing. It gets given to some VIPs brother, who is supposed to give it to VIP, but doesn’t.

The important thing is it not go missing while you are watching it. It can go missing later - just not on your watch.

dzonga19 minutes ago
this being the C.I.A - this guy is being railroaded or is being made a fall guy.

he will serve a short jail term but at least he will live.

remember folks - C.I.A is the only gvt org that self funds itself & can run entirely without gvt money.

thephyber7 minutes ago
> is the only gvt org that self funds itself & can run entirely without gvt money

Citation needed.

The CIA receives lots of opaque funding from the US government (at least opaque to citizens trying to FOIA), but just because it’s not easily accounted for doesn’t mean the org funds itself.

siavoshabout 8 hours ago
“$40 million…a small fortune” — inflation has gotten out of hand!
m463about 6 hours ago
That's only like 8 houses in mountain view.
essephabout 6 hours ago
Or one house in Beverly Hills.
rbanffyabout 5 hours ago
Not even a decent jet.
sudoshredabout 7 hours ago
nearly retired
Frierenabout 6 hours ago
You can get the president of the United States to work for you for way less money than that.
rolandogabout 2 hours ago
In a weird reversal to Conway's law, the organizational structure of the US government has started to resemble the software it uses [0].

[0]: https://www.globalnerdy.com/2011/07/03/org-charts-of-the-big...

vostrocityabout 10 hours ago
How porous is the CIA's interview process that they couldn't validate the guy's military discharge status?
PedroBatistaabout 9 hours ago
The type of people Intelligence agencies need and use to accomplish their goals are also the type of people who tend to do these things.
dolphinscorpionabout 8 hours ago
Exactly, honest people would fail at such missions. A few million lost here and there is the cost of doing business
sudoshredabout 7 hours ago
imminent danger pay
rbanffyabout 4 hours ago
True, but hiring someone then, later, accusing them of lying in the admission forms that should have been verified before hiring them is bizarre.

I’m sure the CIA could come up with a better excuse.

DANmodeabout 4 hours ago
> is bizarre

Only under the incentive structures you’re used to considering.

sterlindabout 7 hours ago
eh. the shady people are supposed to be the assets; the handlers are supposed to be squeaky clean (on paper, at least.)

but yeah, I imagine that a job which requires keeping secrets and breaking laws tends to attract people who keep secrets and break laws.

rbanffyabout 5 hours ago
They are not supposed to break laws in the US.
jongjongabout 3 hours ago
I reject the the idea that these types of people are needed. It's probably that most of the people in the CIA happen to be like that because they're power-hungry and they're just selecting their kin and justifying their choices as "right kind" because they narcissistically believe themselves to be the right type... They're probably the wrong type. Especially if they all share narcissistic or psychopathic traits; it's too many, it cannot work.
burnt-resistorabout 4 hours ago
Confirmed. CIA hires people with sociopathic/psychopathic tendencies and tries to hire them so they're mild rather than criminal in nature.
kakacik40 minutes ago
Ha, this was explored in some credible article here on HN some months ago, wasn't it? It made complete sense.

You can't be a nice balanced guy doing work which often dips in shady stuff, sometimes being responsible for killing innocents, or in extreme cases one's failed actions can send some region into death spiral of some small or larger conflict. No, you need (relatively) smart folks for whom emotions are just a tool to use on others to achieve your goals.

And this obviously has various side effects, some quite negative.

iririririrabout 8 hours ago
What a disingenuous way of thinking. Not falling for this is the basis of much religious text by the way. Splitting baby in the middle, etc.

But on the other hand, being a useful fool that blindly does anything for profit, Do seem in line with the people working in tech for the last decade.

Yes, the CIA is a corrupt today as "tech". And no that is not ok nor required, or it ever was like that.

sterlindabout 7 hours ago
the CIA is literally tasked with breaking (other countries') laws. tradecraft is a very similar skillset to being an effective criminal.

think about it: shell companies, lockpicks, bribes, theft, blackmail, hacking, forgery. two kinds of people do those things: spooks, and the mob. the difference is why you're doing it and to whom.

also, if anything the CIA is far tamer today than it was in the '60s.

testaccount28about 7 hours ago
lol "the extralegal spy agency has become as corrupt as the search engines!"
lenerdenatorabout 7 hours ago
All spies are bastards. That's sort of their job. In the CIA it might speak more ill of the guy who was arrested that he was arrested than that he (allegedly) inflated his credentials and might have bilked the military for leave pay.
EA-3167about 9 hours ago
When it comes to stories involving intelligence agencies I generally assume that I’m not getting the whole or accurate story.
pstuartabout 8 hours ago
Yeah, the CIA is all about CYA.
sudoshredabout 6 hours ago
Much like most office jobs
rbanffyabout 4 hours ago
Not really, but all about manufacturing a story that fits whatever version the country needs pushed. It’s covering the country’s ass.
IncreasePostsabout 9 hours ago
How porous is the approving manager/chain that someone can request 300kg of gold bars and no one knows why and they just approve it any way.
bawolffabout 7 hours ago
I imagine a big difference is at most jobs the worst that will happen is you get fired, at the CIA you go to jail for the rest of your life.
saghmabout 4 hours ago
I think that if you embezzled $40M at just about any job, you'd be looking at some serious jail time
lenkiteabout 4 hours ago
That is why this story feels fishy.
profsummergigabout 7 hours ago
Imagine if government approvals were that easy for things the country actually needed, like safe nuclear energy and bullet trains.
ProAmabout 5 hours ago
The CIA is a cash only business.
defrostabout 5 hours ago
Oh, please.

They're on record as happy to barter guns and drugs also.

yieldcrvabout 9 hours ago
the CIA told him to make that part of his identity and then burned him with it

isn’t it obvious?

not being charged for the forty million dollars in gold and foreign currency missing, no explanation on why they are even looking for something that was rightly paid out as expenses, no explanation on what kind of expenses those could be to begin with to incur this much, no explanation on why the government wasn't using US dollars to pay a government employee expenses. Its a complete red herring because some client state is paying off a debt, CIA just needs this guy burned

mrandishabout 7 hours ago
> no explanation on what kind of expenses those could be

I think it's pretty obvious the gold was to pay a bribe. The only thing I'm surprised about is the value. That's A LOT of money for a single pay-off or bribe. It seems more than what would conceivably be paid to an individual at once because spy agencies tend to prefer to pay-as-you-go with individuals. Each round of documents, actions or whatever gets a payment.

So I suspect this was intended to either buy a one-time, career-ending action from someone very senior or, more likely, the ongoing cooperation of a company, gang or small nation-state. It's hard to guess but looking over major events in that time frame, Venezuela might be a good bet. The odd part is that the gold was in his house. Aside from the dumb trade craft of keeping it in the very first place anyone would look, why is the gold even in CONUS?

And why gold? Bulk gold is one of the worse ways to transfer that much money. It's big, heavy, and easy to trace until melted down (which is hardly trivial for most people). But the thing I'm stuck on is the places you can walk into and get cash for even one kilo of gold, much less over 300 of them, is extremely limited - and half of them will be under some form of "Know Your Customer" reporting, especially in North America, and the other half might prefer to "Kill Your Customer" and keep the gold. Diamonds, bearer bonds, offshore numbered account, even good old Benjamins seem far better. I think the amount and medium both narrow down the sort of person or entity the intended recipient must be.

One imagines the sort of folks who'd actually prefer to receive payment in that much gold bar all reside overseas where they might control a national bank or have their own precious metals smelting operation. That's why I'm struggling to picture the fake scenario this senior executive used to plausibly convince anyone at the CIA he personally needed to take possession of more gold than several people can comfortably carry and do so in the vicinity of rural Langley, VA. I mean, he can't carry it on any commercial flight and It's not like he's going to schlepp it himself in his family sedan to put it on a secret CIA cargo flight. The CIA has people for that. Also, someone that senior isn't generally doing any direct case officer work. They manage case officers who manage field assets.

So many interesting questions we'll never get answers to.

somenameformeabout 5 hours ago
Even more tantalizing is that it was probably a domestic bribe he was tasked with. Traveling internationally with hundreds of kg of gold is not very reasonable and I'd assume they have access to resources in other countries as needed.

And we'll get all the answer, it'll just take 50 years, and then everything will probably make a lot more sense. Maybe even sooner if an administration finally gets the courage and brains to get rid of the CIA. So incompetently destructive to US interests, and an overall abhorrent organization.

Jamesbeamabout 5 hours ago
It’s funny to see how "normal" people talk about 40 million in gold and like a few million in foreign currency.

That’s really nothing in the theatres the CIA operates in. They simply gave it to him and followed up only after the agency’s bureaucrats couldn’t find it during auditing half a year to a year later.

To bribe a nation-state, you’re in the billions. https://www.jfeed.com/middleeast/qatar-iran-bribe-deal

To gain at least some loyalty from a warlord-based Middle East militia, the US was willing to spend 500 million in cash, plus another 200 million in weapons.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-blocks-iraqs-dollar-shipmen...

If you wanted to bribe a high-level drug trafficker, 40 million would get you laughed out of the room or put in a barrel and shipped around for other associates to laugh at.

According to the 2012 annual report of Sos Impresa, the total annual turnover of money by criminal organisations operating in Italy would be valued at €138 billion, with a net profit of €105 billion.

What’s 40 million to someone moving billions in product?

https://unicri.org/sites/default/files/2021-06/UNICRI_Organi...

You’re also wrong about the gold. Gold is easily moved in the hawala system. You give the gold bars to a hawaladar in the US, they give you a piece of paper with a few numbers and you can take it out of the network minus the agreed fees at a different physical location within the network within a few hours in local currency or gold.

https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/AOTP/Hawal...

There is a good example in that report.

Witnesses testified that the trafficker kept track of his drug transactions using relatives who were hawaladars and who recorded the drug transactions and profits in ledgers.

The ledgers were seized and presented as evidence at trial. One ledger, covering the year 2006-2007, contained a series of money transfers linked to opiate and precursor chemical transactions. Another contained financial records of heroin transactions, arranged by a trafficker, covering the period March 2006 to March 2007. Analysis of the ledger determined that the defendant produced and sold over 123,000 kg of heroin, worth more than USD261,000,000: this represented over 19 per cent of the total amount of heroin produced worldwide in 2006, based on UNODC figures.

My bet is he is probably responsible for Middle East-related activities and saw an opportunity in this Iran mess to gain some pocket money while simply squeezing his contacts in the Middle East for whatever favour the CIA needed and keeping the money for himself. Not the first time this happened.

This usually either surfaces because the contact tells someone on a tapped phone that he got his balls squeezed by the CIA and not even got any money for it or when someone in CIA finance says, “Hey Lisa, I need to make this report where the billion for the Iran stuff went and how much we spend and for what and we’re missing six paperclips and 40 million in gold and a few mil in foreign currency. Did someone take it home with them again to make Breaking Bad Ka$h bed photos for their Instagram?”

rurbanabout 4 hours ago
The CIA as an illegal and fascist organization tends to hire the illegals and fascists. Drug killers, torturers, and psychopaths.
hypercube33about 4 hours ago
There's even a Tom Cruise movie about it called American Made.
v4rp1ngabout 5 hours ago
NooneAtAll3about 10 hours ago
That's ~280kg of gold if anyone wonders
xnxabout 9 hours ago
It would make such a fantastic set of barbell plates.
nradovabout 8 hours ago
Or a really cool scuba diving weight belt.
manarthabout 3 hours ago
More like 20+ weight belts, you go underwater with a 280kg weight belt you're not coming back!
DonHopkinsabout 7 hours ago
Or a huge gold statue of Trump and Epstein partying and raping children.
CSSerabout 9 hours ago
Gold is pretty soft. You would have to cut it to 10 carat, so there’s be even more to go around!
elifabout 9 hours ago
Nah literally crushing plates would feel so good. Worth the effort to melt it again every few sessions
thrownthatwayabout 9 hours ago
Having to handle the plates with care and the damage they’d take regardless would add to the charm.
jojobasabout 8 hours ago
You could encase them in plastic to prevent damage and mask them for some run off the mill equipment. Nobody would suspect anything without prior knowledge.
sneakabout 8 hours ago
1kg gold bars are tiny.
omoikaneabout 8 hours ago
The article says "approximately 303 gold bars, each of which weighed approximately one kilogram"

I guess the gold bars aren't uniformly sized, which would agree with your ~280kg number.

iririririrabout 7 hours ago
Or the chain of custody lost some 20 bars?
Imagenuityabout 8 hours ago
~ 617 lbs.
testplzignoreabout 6 hours ago
~681 American footballs. At 27 balls per team per NFL game, an average of 17.8 games per team per season, and an annual salary cap of $301 million, those many balls are equivalent to a salary of $481 million. So by weight, footballs are "worth" 12 times the price of gold.

Joe Burrow weighs 215 lbs and makes $55 million per year. That makes him worth his weight in gold x4.

I'm still researching the average weight of a football field. Depends if it has rained recently.

iamkrazyabout 7 hours ago
~ 44 stones
da_chickenabout 7 hours ago
~5.3 Emma Stones
exabrialabout 9 hours ago
If this were a Jason Bourne movie, it was the CIA that put the gold bars there.
kingforadayabout 9 hours ago
I was just looking for something to watch tonight. Thanks for the recommendation!
throw7about 8 hours ago
Ehh, more like Rush would've been found dead like Abbott after declaring "I'm a patriot" to internal CIA. What's tantalizing about Bourne is something about who we are and capable of, regardless of conditioning... both good and bad.
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skeledrewabout 9 hours ago
Guy sounds like a dragon. What's the deal with the watches though?
NDlurkerabout 9 hours ago
I imagine watches are more liquid than gold bars
rubzahabout 1 hour ago
They're very high value by weight, very fungible, and there is much less regulation about carrying them across international borders.
TZubiriabout 8 hours ago
also they seem to be a virus that wealth-chasing people catch on to
raverbashingabout 4 hours ago
Gee I don't know, they look pretty solid to me, unless they're Dalí watches /s
elektronikaabout 8 hours ago
Watches are the commodity of choice for corruption in some circles. I know people in jewelry and a significant portion of their transactions are watches to Chinese businessmen, formerly through Hong Kong, now through Singapore. They're high value items with razor thin margins.
solenoid0937about 7 hours ago
I collect watches worth >$100k and I promise you that most collectors in this range are just watch nerds that have more money than they know what to do with.

Singapore is a big watch market because it has a very tight knit and wealthy collector community.

Margins on most watches in this range are around 10% on the low end. I wouldn't call that razor thin.

derefrabout 6 hours ago
Collectors are the end buyers, who ultimately create the value; but the existence of collectors as a predictable sink, permits the trading of the thing they collect as a medium of exchange and (short-term) store of value.

Similar to fine art. For every purchase of a painting by a collector who's actually going to display it, there are 10-100 being purchased by people who're going to keep them in freeport awaiting resale.

Basically like commodities futures. You don't buy onion futures because you have anything you would personally do with multiple tonnes of onions.

cwsxabout 7 hours ago
What's the appeal of collecting high priced watches? Is it kind of like art collections, where its a decent store of value while maintaining a collection of something you are personally interested in? Or is it more for "love of the game"?

Not saying its not a cool thing to collect, well made watches are a very cool piece of engineering, I'm just curious if there's any "special" appeal outside of "i like this thing and have the money to enjoy it" :)

greenavocadoabout 6 hours ago
What people can actually do is buy a watch then return it in another branch in another country after paying a "restocking" fee.
elektronikaabout 4 hours ago
It's very blatant and below that range. They got many orders for the exact same model that's around $50k.
qingcharlesabout 5 hours ago
Most of the time you can wear a watch through customs and move $250K without anyone blinking an eyelid. If it has a box and papers you mail those ahead of you. (Don't have them in your luggage)
abrookewoodabout 4 hours ago
This could easily be an episode from Snowfall (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6439752/), the rather excellent TV show about the early days of the crack cocaine epidemic in Los Angeles during the beginning of the 1980s. The CIA feature prominently and regularly acquire large amounts of cash & narcotics in order to run their operations.
bilekasabout 3 hours ago
I can't read the full article, but the subtitle says :

> The only charge lodged against David Rush is that he inflated his academic credentials and obtained military leave pay worth tens of thousands of dollars.

Is this guys just very good at saving gold for CIA/personal reasons and it's still his or is this gold in related to some crime ?

kQq9oHeAz6wLLSabout 6 hours ago
There's a surprising number of CIA and secret agent experts in this comments section.
tgarrettabout 6 hours ago
I've seen From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, and Thunderball I'll have you know.
PowerElectronixabout 3 hours ago
That's MI-6
OccamsMirrorabout 4 hours ago
Burn After Reading
burnt-resistorabout 4 hours ago
I saw a John Kiriakou book on a shelf once.
rdtscabout 9 hours ago
> From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”

- "I need these bars to pay off this Russian spy who will tell us Putin's nuclear codes password"

Comes back a week later

- "His password is 12345"

- "How do we know the story is not fake?"

- "What am I going to get a signed receipt from him? Duh..."

stultabout 6 hours ago
Weirdly the CIA actually does require case officers to get signed receipts from their assets for payments. Whether they verify the signatures is another question...
jojobasabout 8 hours ago
It is an eternal problem with human intelligence. GRU and FSB spend serious resources on provoking their own agents, aimed at a range of problems including this one.
nooberminabout 1 hour ago
He just needs to profess his love for our country (the president, you know how Trump says attacks on him are attacks on the whole country) and may be say he has dirt on the deep state or hasan piker or something. Trump will be inviting him to the white house where he can steal from the government and tax payers in a more sanctioned way.
hnthrowaway0315about 10 hours ago
Maybe this is part of the shadow money. CIA has been working with business people since the beginning of Cold War and I wouldn't be surprised that they have deep roots in the financial world -- after all both Intelligence and Finance need globalization.
paradoxylabout 9 hours ago
The cover of national security has allowed a certain type of organized crime to proliferate to the point it's breaking society.
thrownthatwayabout 9 hours ago
Son: dad, I’m thinking of getting in to organised crime

Dad: Public or private sector?

webnrrd2kabout 8 hours ago
There's a book that ties into this sort of thing - Gold Warriors [1]. It about how, post WWII, the US recovered a bunch of Gold looted from China and used it to set up an anti-communist slush fund.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/249237.Gold_Warriors

moralestapiaabout 10 hours ago
I don't think it's connected to this specific event, but there's a lot of lore about the CIA moving gold in/out of Afghanistan, Iraq and others during war time.
hnthrowaway0315about 9 hours ago
I used to read a lot about Michele Sindona who was supposed to be connected to the Mafia and the intelligence community. His currency trading firm was one of the first to trade the Eurodollar contracts back in the 60s, IIRC.

I think intelligence and finance really go hand in hand. It makes so much sense -- you see, the intelligence community really hates the congress or whatever to snoop around its operations before approving the budget -- wouldn't it a lot easier to just earn your own $$? And with all the information the intelligence agencies control, it is almost trivial to make quick money in finance. Last but not the least, wouldn't banker be the perfect cover for spies? They wear nice suites, too.

vintermannabout 6 hours ago
From Rockefeller to Sheldon Adelson (only naming dead ones), oligarchs have had an extremely close relationship to the CIA, and although the CIA probably gets something out of it, I think it goes more the other way.
essephabout 7 hours ago
This also applies to tech now.

Meta, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc all have Global Security branches.

themafiaabout 9 hours ago
They want globalization to make their jobs easier. In no sense do they "need" it. Whether we want a world where the desires of intelligence and finance are blindly prioritized is an open question. For my part the answer is obviously no.
hnthrowaway0315about 9 hours ago
I think most ordinary people would say No, but most of us do not have a say in any important things. They put up the facade of voting while all the important stuffs are decided within the circles.

I think it really makes sense to consider ourselves to be just intelligent cattle -- they still tolerate us because they need us to turn natural resources into machinery, weapon, insights and other stuffs they need, but once AI and robots keep up, they can probably get rid of 90% of us.

themafiaabout 4 hours ago
> I think it really makes sense to consider ourselves to be just intelligent cattle

That's too misanthropic for my tastes.

> to turn natural resources into machinery, weapon, insights and other stuffs they need

It's easy to live in our world and ignore the maintenance staff.

> but once AI and robots keep up

This is nowhere near happening. Your seeming rush into anticipatory compliance is exceedingly premature.

> they can probably get rid of 90% of us.

It's the same moronic death cult that's been active since the 1860s. They would like to believe this, more importantly they would like /you/ to believe this, but a sober examination of the facts shows it to be a mixture of bluster and folly designed to intimidate you into transferring your personal wealth into their profit.

JumpCrisscrossabout 10 hours ago
It’s almost certainly grift. If it were official, the arrest would have been scrubbed.
electroglyphabout 9 hours ago
sometimes i wonder if the left hand knows what the right is doing. it looks like we arrested our own spy in this case: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/05/25/american-journalist...
JumpCrisscrossabout 9 hours ago
The CIA director requested the FBI intervene. This is almost certainly not a fuckup.
burnt-resistorabout 3 hours ago
Sounds like using an official position to make money.

A guy I used to know, a retired USAF Maj. pilot, acquired a bunch of racing cars, motorcycles, and a non-flyable MiG-21 through shady characters.

More than likely individual people try to get away with doing shady shit on the side rather than it being a grand UFO conspiracy.

mhbabout 6 hours ago
The In-Laws:

Shel: "You robbed the U.S. Mint on your own? The CIA thought it was too crazy?"

Vince: "Too risky."

sleepyguyabout 11 hours ago
Sounds like he was most likely involved in some serious shit that was off the books and somehow it came to light. His boss is probably aware of what it was but no one will admit shit. It went awry and he is left holding the bag.

Gold and money for an operation that could have been to anything from funding armed rebellion to god only knows.

asdffabout 10 hours ago
$40m+ in an expense account based in gold bars is absolutely crazy. CIA agents must have access to untold resources if this is seen as a somewhat regular 4 month spend. Seems it is, given that they seemingly weren't concerned about the $40+ million being taken out, but where it was being held.
coliveiraabout 10 hours ago
The "resources" are off the books, it must be just the tip of the iceberg.
sneakabout 8 hours ago
$40M is a trivial amount of money to everyone involved in this matter. It’s only a few hundred 1kg bars.
simulator5gabout 7 hours ago
You're thinking in pre-covid peasant dollars. $40m isn't that much anymore, and frankly never was to these people.
DANmodeabout 3 hours ago
Nobody’s talking about how much money it is to them,

to some degree, that’s our employees and often our money - it’s our concept of how much money is okay to fuck around with that matters.

fn-moteabout 10 hours ago
I thought this was baseless speculation, but from TFA:

> [he] asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.

toygabout 4 hours ago
Or, someone decided they wanted to redirect the flow of black money through someone else, but couldn't do it internally for some reason; so they called in their FBI friends to make a ruckus. While the guy is busy defending himself, they have an excuse to pick someone else to receive the new stream of gold.
golem14about 9 hours ago
Yeah, this reads like right out of "Burn notice".
JumpCrisscrossabout 10 hours ago
Huh. I’m actually glad to see the IC fragmenting like this.
chatmastaabout 9 hours ago
Is it fragmenting? The FBI has always been in charge of investigating other agencies. The article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI.
JumpCrisscrossabout 9 hours ago
> article even notes that this particular investigation was initiated when the CIA director made a referral to the FBI

Fair enough.

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quijoteunivabout 2 hours ago
Really? Gold? Mr.Rush? … unbelievable what a surname can inflict on you
VladVladikoffabout 9 hours ago
Archive.ph/archive.today failing me to bypass paywall, is everyone commenting on the title? Or you all have NYT subscriptions? Or you know of some other bypass?
faitswulffabout 8 hours ago
I get 24 hour access through my local library. Here, have a gift link https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/27/us/politics/fbi-arrest-ci...
ethagnawlabout 8 hours ago
I had no idea this was an option. Libraries are the best.
kwar13about 3 hours ago
oh man i just discovered that i have access to a lot of publications through my local library! thanks for this!
VladVladikoffabout 8 hours ago
Thank you!
tjohnsabout 9 hours ago
Many community libraries offer free NYTimes access to their patrons.
Computer0about 9 hours ago
I'm guessing they decided they don't like the guy anymore? The CIA is very corrupt as an institution and things like this run rampant. Billions of dollars go unaccounted for a year at the CIA.
burnt-resistorabout 3 hours ago
DoD <--> defense contractors (military-industrial complex) is pretty close to the same. Never passed an audit and contractors were ripping off the DoD while creating scrap metal that was used by the Taliban. Trillions and trillions wasted.
yangm97about 8 hours ago
Should’ve used Monero or something lmao
mmoossabout 9 hours ago
The CIA legitimately engages in bribery and hard asset payments. Note that the CIA approved his request and gave him these assets (or at least many of them - the paragraph below doesn't specify the amount).

> From last November to March, the court papers say, Mr. Rush asked for, and received, “a significant quantity of foreign currency and tens of millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.”

Possibly the question here is, why did Rush take them home. It's always possible Rush was just sloppy and undisciplined, which would also reflect a cultural problem. Many people have been found with secret documents in their homes.

lazideabout 8 hours ago
If he still has them, it’s probably ‘garden variety’ workplace embezzlement.

Make up some sources, pretend to pay them, cash the payments.

He probably just got sloppy, and it got too obvious.

greenavocadoabout 5 hours ago
Someone's gotta pay for the mortgage at 7327 Georgetown Pike, McLean VA
vintermannabout 6 hours ago
"Legitimately" is a nonsense word in that sentence.
johneaabout 10 hours ago
> millions of dollars in gold bars for work-related expenses.

Hey, handing over millions of $$s to local warlords is a business expense...

jojobasabout 8 hours ago
Yes? Also children of Russian or Iranian generals or deputy ministers.
contingenciesabout 10 hours ago
CIA: Corruption Institute of America
paradoxylabout 9 hours ago
Its nickname since the 1970s has been Criminals in Action, when they were smuggling heroin out of the Golden Triangle to fund covert actions during the Vietnam War.
delichonabout 10 hours ago
A couple of weeks ago there was a story that the CIA raided the office of the director of the NSA and seized information regarding the CIA. Trump was in China at the time. About a week later the NSA director resigns. I waited for it to turn into a major story and get some kind of explanation, but silence.

It seems like an extraordinary story and I don't understand why there isn't a hullabaloo. Did I hallucinate it? Who runs this country?

wildzzzabout 9 hours ago
Anna Paulina Luna is the only one claiming that the CIA raided the office of the DNI. No other trustworthy sources are reporting this and there's been no independent verification. Anna Paulina Luna is a lunatic who says outlandish things with no regards to truth.
m348e912about 9 hours ago
There might be a mix up on the details.

The FBI raided the home of John Bolton who was a former National Security Advisor for the first Trump administration. (not directly part of the NSA and definitely not the director of the NSA). Bolton has become a vocal critic of Trump since he was fired in Sept 2019.

Trump's DOJ has a track record of prosecuting Trump's vocal critics. eg. Former FBI director James Comey and New York attorney general Letitia James

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution_of_John_Bolton

There has been no legal action taken against current NSA director General Joshua M. Rudd or his recent predecessor, William J. Hartman

GJimabout 3 hours ago
> Trump's DOJ has a track record of prosecuting Trump's vocal critics.

And many Americans claim they have freedom of speech!

(Of course the little guys speech is "free", they aren't important. But the moment the little guy critical of Trump is in a position of power or influence, watch how quickly he is silenced.)

greesilabout 10 hours ago
Because nobody reputable reported on it?
foobar1726about 9 hours ago
Reputable reporters know that publishing those stories leads to break-in burglaries where everyone is killed and nothing is stolen.
greenavocadoabout 6 hours ago
Or with hands tied and two gunshot wounds to the back of the head and its ruled a suicide (Gary Webb)
greenavocadoabout 6 hours ago
You think that reputation was earned without submission to intelligence agencies?
NordStreamYachtabout 10 hours ago
The DNI, not the NSA.
dabadabad00about 10 hours ago
> Who runs this country?

American Thought Control.

Crazy crackpot schizos aren’t the only ones listening to the voices in their heads.

passiveabout 7 hours ago
So we have this, and the Google employee polymarket trading:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48302822

I'm totally not surprised, except that Trump's admin is actually catching and prosecuting these people.

I assume that means this is just the tip of the iceberg, and the grift is so predominant that they can't help but catch some people.

mahirsaidabout 8 hours ago
okay now the Director!
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AmazingEveryDayabout 12 hours ago
This seems absolutely crazy. Probably Fort Knox should be inventoried, might indeed not be anything there!
yieldcrvabout 9 hours ago
This is different than that and scant on pertinent details

It says he received it as compensation for expenses, not that it was ever in some government vault. This is additional gold and foreign currency that an agency had, not the reserve.

It then says

> When the C.I.A. conducted a review of where the gold and currency were stashed

Why would they do that if it was compensation for expenses

He wasn't charged for that, and the phrasing doesn't suggest it was supposed to be remitted to the government

if the CIA didn't have a history of being involved in shady shit like this that already explains everything, this would be weird

instead it looks like he's got burned over his necessary use of fibbed identity

simpaticoderabout 10 hours ago
So what is that, like 10 gold bars?

EDIT: it's 240. but still, they were worth a lot less not that long ago...

mlmonkeyabout 10 hours ago
According to the article, 303 gold bars worth about $40M.
hacker_homieabout 6 hours ago
Mysteriously only 39.12 million dollars is accounted for, The FBI is carefully monitoring the remaining 38.25 million dollars of gold, for a hearing later this week where the fate of the 36.5 million dollars of gold will be decided.
mlmonkeyabout 10 hours ago
Gold is the "bitcoin" of yesterday, in the sense that it is untraceable, anonymous and yet high value enough to be worth it.

And it can be made to disappear in a hurry, if you have to: https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/10/03/140815154/d...

ozgrakkurtabout 10 hours ago
None of those points match bitcoin. What you are describing is more like tornado cash or similar stuff which are really really banned when interfacing with banks or similar institutions.
raframabout 8 hours ago
> untraceable, anonymous and yet high value enough to be worth it

Literally none of these is true of Bitcoin.