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Svipabout 18 hours ago
Perhaps I am imagining it, but I immediately thought it was a pun on AltaVista in that "alt" in German means old. But there is nothing on the site that seems to suggest that that was how the name came about. (Though in that sense, you can argue the original AltaVista already meant "Old'aVista".) The only clue is this line from the FAQ:

> The name of the website itself is a wordplay on Altavista.

Though, the creator mentions on his own page, that he is a German citizen (due to his grandfather), even though he speaks no German and have never lived there[1]; which could mean that pun is intentional. Not that it is really all that important (like not at all), but I can't help but wonder now...

[1] https://www.ericexperiment.com/about-me

jstanleyabout 17 hours ago
What evidence would it take to convince you that the name of the website itself is a wordplay on Altavista?
Svipabout 9 hours ago
Unfortunately, I cannot edit my original post anymore, but it seems a few replies misunderstood my comment; in short: I wasn't questioning whether it is a wordplay (it clearly is), I was questioning which wordplay. Is it Old'aVista just because it kind of sounds like AltaVista, or is it Old'aVista because "alt" in German means old?
dieselgateabout 5 hours ago
I'm glad you made the comment because at the very least I learned a new German word (native English speaker and conversational in Spanish).

It's ironic to search for "alt meaning" and find a tertiary definition of "Pitched in the first octave above the treble staff; high" which would suggest more of the Spanish "alta" root rather than the Germanic root.

Now I'm curious how much origins are shared between Spanish and German.

Perhaps we can all agree English is a goofy language!

Mallory_Ringessabout 11 hours ago
Well, if it looks like AltaVista, loads like AltaVista and is just as quack-less as AltaVista it probably is a pun on AltaVista.
MostlyStableabout 17 hours ago
...given the line you quoted from the FAQ, I'm a bit confused about why you are still wondering. That seems about as straight forward of an answer to your question as one could expect.
vidarhabout 16 hours ago
It is clearly a word play, but I guess their question is whether or not the old = alt connection was made or not.

(Of course the alta in Altavista is from Spanish "high", but that doesn't really change anything)

HelloNurseabout 14 hours ago
The rhyming is good, making "Oldavista" a generic wordplay that is merely more obvious to find for German speakers, and the name is insignificant compared to the effort of reproducing the whole Altavista page.
walletdrainerabout 17 hours ago
>I'm a bit confused about why you are still wondering

They did admit to being German.

xhkkffbfabout 8 hours ago
Alt=old in German, but Alta=high in Spanish. And vista is pretty much a Spanish word. A high observation point is a pretty good metaphor for a search engine.
rubyn00bieabout 16 hours ago
And here I thought it was going to be something to do with, at least in my experience, the much more memorable site: Astalavista. I will say, the linked site is nice for nostalgia and arguably more pleasant than being advertised donkey shows.

Sites like this remind me the internet used to be fun, and it was glorious. Really, makes me want to bust out Frontpage 2000 and Macromedia Fireworks to build a sweet landing page for an anime fan site and setup some phpBB forums.

WorldMakerabout 5 hours ago
Astalavista was named in jest after the original AltaVista, it just survived a bit longer after AltaVista lost the search wars to the newcomers like Infoseek and Ask Jeeves who in turn eventually lost to newcomers like Google. How much you remember AltaVista probably says a lot about when the first time you used the internet was and maybe if you were a Yahoo or AltaVista fan at the time. (In those days Yahoo had the better human curated hierarchical directory and AltaVista had the better search index with more boolean and exact search operators supported.)
ozozozdabout 16 hours ago
.com or .box.sk?
tonylucasabout 14 hours ago
I've been around the 'net long enough to remember when Altavista didn't even have it's own domain name, it was altavista.digital.com, this triggered some great memories of my first year or two using the web on the only computer in school with access to it.
KevinMSabout 13 hours ago
It seemed to take them a really long time to get rid of the digital part, probably because marketing thought it was good thing. At least it didn't require you to prepend www.
reconnectingabout 17 hours ago
The transparent pixel is often missing and breaks tables. HTML tags must be written properly in CAPS `<FONT>`, not `<font>`.

It doesn't work properly in my Netscape Navigator.

mattoxicabout 18 hours ago
That's very cool. But I really need to know how many people have visited the site as well as how long a page will take to download on a 56k modem.
Terr_about 1 hour ago
Remember when you'd be looking at a daily news article, and any hyperlinks to audio clips would have byte sizes and download time estimations in parentheses, just to help you decide if it was worth a click?
NamlchakKhandroabout 17 hours ago
Chrome Dev tools can help you there
dangabout 20 hours ago
Related. Others?

Old'aVista, a Guide to the Old Internet - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39069910 - Jan 2024 (12 comments)

blfrabout 18 hours ago
Cameron's World - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10085542 - Aug 2015 (63 comments)
schemathingsabout 4 hours ago
I was hoping that searching Scout Report would take me to https://scout.wisc.edu/report/current (current = 2021, RIP)
qubex1 day ago
The nostalgia welled up within me from depths I didn’t know I possessed.
rbanffyabout 16 hours ago
But is it running on those incredible 64-bit Alpha servers?
sourcecodeplzabout 16 hours ago
at the rate it's loading (not), probably.
rbanffyabout 15 hours ago
They must be running Windows NT. Wait for the Tru64 port. Or Ultrix, or VMS.
pelasacoabout 15 hours ago
do you have more information about it? thats sounds interesting
Fizz43about 13 hours ago
The politics forum discussing the future of America dated 1998 is insanely depressing. That is optimism that disappeared forever.
DaanDLabout 12 hours ago
Optimism in general has gone down the drain, and understandably so.
thmabout 9 hours ago
AV was something your uncle used - the OGs searched on Northern Light.
rolphabout 6 hours ago
gopher, archie, veronica, jughead.

the original OG's were before the web.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190909191211/https://kb.iu.edu...

boobsbrabout 8 hours ago
1337 h4xx0rz used hastalavista for warez.
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mosburgerabout 9 hours ago
I was an internal beta tester for AltaVista while I was doing a co-op at DEC in 1995. Good times.
kristiancabout 18 hours ago
Seems they've done a good job of mimicking the old timey dial up connection speed as well.
rbanffyabout 16 hours ago
Sadly, DEC Alphaservers are not easy to come by. They had to make it work on Intel ones.
doublerabbitabout 13 hours ago
Did anyone ever use directories? I remember the search engine. Yahoo had the same.

It always felt a long winded way to find stuff or was that the "sponsored content" we get now?

dredmorbiusabout 4 hours ago
Yahoo was originally "Yet Another Hierarchical Officious Oracle", and earlier "Jerry and David's Guide to the World Wide Web". A key position at the company was a librarian who help establish and slot links into that hierarchy, and some early press addressed this and the obvious future role of library science in online content management. Don't believe all forward-looking speculation you read. (Or backward-looking reminiscences, for that matter.)

DMOZ was another such classification, originally launched by Mozilla and run for a time by AOL, though it closed in 2017, discussed on HN at the time <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13762362> and <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13759032>.

These were both useful and limited. Useful because early Web content-based search sucked. Altavista was the best of the bunch to my recollection, and only launched in late 1995. Google came along in (late?) 1997 and blew everyone away, I was using it by 1999. There were "sponsored content" directories, but those tended not to gain much traction as they were so obviously inferior in quality. The main directories generally avoided this taint.

The Web was far smaller, far less commercial, much less dynamic (editable / user-contributable sites were extremely rare, blogs barely existed), and pretty eclectic. Organising by category pretty much worked, as content evolved slowly, the total space was relatively small, and highlighting the Really Good Stuff was both useful and tractable. Today that's fairly intractable, though directory-like organisation might be seen in, say Wikipedia or some similar projects.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMOZ>

There are still several online directories, some general, many specialised:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_directories>

romanhnabout 8 hours ago
Absolutely. Yahoo started out as directories, long before it added a search engine. They were a much better way to discover new corners of the internet (sorta like looking at a list of subreddits today). Web rings was another one. Internet was new, so it was always fun to surprise yourself with something different. Search engines were crap and would normally be used to look for something specific rather than discovery, which I guess hasn't changed.
kristopolousabout 16 hours ago
I was hoping it was an index of pages with last-modified http headers prior to a certain date.