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Discussion (26 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

fridder•6 minutes ago
I wonder if it will be better at building TUI's. It has been absolutely abysmal at interacting with them and building them
mlmonkey•about 1 hour ago
It's funny how in their own graph, https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/ima... Gemini 3.5 Flash is beat hands down by both Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5, and yet the graph is drawn as if Gemini wins ... :-D
mroche•about 1 hour ago
The graph has Gemini 3.5 Flash matching Sonnet 4.6, losing to Opus 4.8, and slightly behind GPT-5.5 by 0.3 points... That's not that much of a hands-down loss for Gemini for this specific workload benchmark.

The methodology used:

https://deepmind.google/models/evals-methodology/gemini-3-5-...

Methodology: All Gemini scores are pass @1 except where otherwise noted. "Single attempt" settings allow no majority voting or parallel test-time compute. All of the results are all run with the Gemini API for the model-id gemini-3.5-flash with default sampling settings unless indicated otherwise below. To reduce variance, we average over multiple trials for smaller benchmarks.

All the results for non-Gemini models are sourced from providers' self reported numbers unless otherwise mentioned below. For Claude Opus 4.7 , Sonnet 4.6, and GPT-5.5 we default to reporting maximum thinking/reasoning settings available, but when reported results are not available we use best available reasoning results.

sheept•about 1 hour ago
It highlights the Gemini models blue since that's what the article is about. The bar heights seem consistent with the values.
gb2d_hn•about 1 hour ago
It's honest - people who know what they are looking at will take speed and token costs into account. I don't use Gemini 3.5 for coding, but I use it as something in between a search engine and agent.
data-ottawa•37 minutes ago
I think 3.5 flash is trying to target agentic work, like Google Search or ADK (agent development kit) use cases.

It’s something cheap enough you’d put out in front of your customers, and Opus is expensive enough you wouldn’t.

satvikpendem•about 2 hours ago
There's still no MCP support in the Gemini app, which is very useful to get various pieces of info as a user just via chatting. For example I recently wanted to get an Airbnb and wanted to filter by specific criteria including house image analysis and Gemini couldn't do it so I had to do it in Codex.
mitchell_h•6 minutes ago
I'm fairly convinced Claude's strongest point is the app. AI users aren't anywhere near as mature or smart as youtube/hn would have folks believe. The claude app is amazing for bridging that gap.
anticorporate•about 1 hour ago
Yeah, it seems like this is the biggest missing feature from the Gemini ecosystem.

If I can't connect MCP, there's really no selling point for me to use Gemini from my watch, car, smart speaker, etc. If I'm already bound to using my own front end, then I'm only evaluating Gemini as a model/API, at which point it has many competitors that may be cheaper or better fit for the task.

thejaycampbell•about 1 hour ago
agreed... this is where they lost me too
tonyrice•about 2 hours ago
This is why I don't always use the official Gemini Web app. Lately I've found that it's more useful to utilize a CLI. I'm looking forward to the day they add MCP in the web.
pregseahorses•about 1 hour ago
Gemini CLi now requires antigravity subscription..
singingtoday•44 minutes ago
CLI doesn't work with my subscription..
airstrike•about 1 hour ago
Computer use is such a terrible idea. It's slow, insecure, error prone, expensive.

I guess if you're trying to get people to tokenmaxx it may look like a valid strategy, but ain't no way this will be delightful to users.

I think it's a symptom of just not understanding how LLMs should interface with the OS because we're still in their early days.

Eventually there'll be an iPhone moment for the ergonomics of LLM usage outside of coding

gdudeman•3 minutes ago
Computer use is a great idea. It gets the job done when nothing else will.

If you're a person trying to get their job done at a big company, but half your job is in 1-2 proprietary tools or is stuck behind an API you can't program against, computer use can allow you, a non-techie, to do your job more efficiently.

I think it's an awesome way to circumvent gate keepers and the IT department to let people accomplish their goals.

thorum•13 minutes ago
The “correct”, elegant way for AI to interact with existing software would take decades and billions of dollars to build. Someone would have to do the hard work of building new APIs, solving decades of accessibility issues, etc.

Or you can show an AI screenshots and ask it where to click.

sarreph•10 minutes ago
I disagree if your application is networked. Most SaaS is built on RESTful APIs that can be converted trivially into interfaces / contracts for tool use.
api•15 minutes ago
It's great for testing and QA automation for UIs. It's also possibly good for the vision impaired.
nzach•39 minutes ago
> Computer use is such a terrible idea. It's slow, insecure, error prone, expensive.

And yet having an agent able yo use a computer on your behalf is really useful.

Recently I gave a Nix OS vm to my hermes agent and it has been a good experience. I don't really care if destroy the machine I can just rollback to an earlier version, and for any meaningful data he creates for me I make sure he creates a repo, commit and pushes to my private Gitea instance.

airstrike•21 minutes ago
> And yet having an agent able yo use a computer on your behalf is really useful.

It is, but there's no need for it to be viewing your screen, browsing websites and watching ads.

That stuff is for humans, not for LLMs.

nzach•1 minute ago
Sure, I don't want an agent watching MY screen. That's why I gave him his own environment, and pretty quickly he discovered that you can open chrome and make it render to a framebuffer, this way he is able to 'view' the website. And apparently with this he is able to bypass a lot of 'anti-bot' measures.
knollimar•21 minutes ago
Where is 3.5 pro?
beastman82•about 1 hour ago
No UI like their competitors Claude CoWork or Codex. This is vaporware
zuzululu•14 minutes ago
performance is quite impressive given that its 3x cheaper than 5.5
villgax•about 1 hour ago
Will it skip Ads lol
humblyCrazy•about 1 hour ago
I looked at their demo and it does not