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zerof1l4 minutes ago
I’m having déjà vu… ThirdReality had released “Voice and Music Assistant Dev Edition,” which looks exactly like Pine Voice Smart Speaker.

https://www.thirdreality.com/products/voice-music-assistant-...

someonebaggyabout 4 hours ago
I'm half surprised they are still around as they seem to never restock most of their products, and half pleased they are still around and releasing products.
derefrabout 2 hours ago
> as they seem to never restock most of their products

There is a product development strategy (I'm not sure if there's a formal name for it) where you're given a lead on a finite-but-large supply of parts you can acquire for absurdly cheap; so you buy the batch; develop and price a product around the part; market your product until you run out of the part; and then, rather than switching over to paying retail for the parts and pricing up your product, you just put your product on indefinite restock hiatus (only ever to be fulfilled if you happen to get another lead on a cheap supply of that same part.)

Usually, though, you get a lead on a cheap supply of a different part; and so the cycle begins again.

buran7724 minutes ago
> There is a product development strategy (I'm not sure if there's a formal name for it) where you're given a lead on a finite-but-large supply of parts you can acquire for absurdly cheap; so you buy the batch;

This is how Aldi and Lidl fueled their growth. Instead of focusing on thousands of different product offerings, they looked at a narrower selection of products (~20 times smaller than their higher end competition) they can buy in very high volumes at substantial discounts. Their offering is defined by what is available for them at the time to buy under those conditions. Instead of ensuring a specific product is always available on the shelves, they might just stock a different product at specific times.

This is less obvious when 90% of their sales are under their private label but the supply behind it is whatever they can negotiate for a better deal.

Their "middle aisle" is the perfect example of this, it really just stocks a mix of whatever is the cheap product of the week and may no longer be available next week at the same price so they stock something else.

someonebaggyabout 1 hour ago
Apple can manage this, but Pine relies on open-source software that moves pretty slowly.
stuff4benabout 1 hour ago
I really wish someone would come out with a $25 "box" that sits on top of my bookshelf speaker that allows me to Airplay to it and power said speaker with a ~50w class-D amp. Then if I have multiple ones, it would allow them to pair and setup stereo or surround sound. I might even pay $50 for it. Kinda like a Sonos Amp but not at that price point.
nzach24 minutes ago
I'm thinking about getting an Audiocast M5[0]. It seems to do exactly that. The price seems to be around US$ 30.

[0] - https://audiocast.io/

dmd3 minutes ago
That's missing the 'amp' part.
patja26 minutes ago
Squeezelite-ESP32 is a solution that is sort of aligned with this scenario. No airplay and you would need an amp module to get to 50w.
broknbottle30 minutes ago
I went with iPod Hi-Fi + AirPort Express connected via mini toslink to mini toslink cable.
whywhywhywhyabout 1 hour ago
Whats the justification for Sonos Amp being 31 times the price you're willing to spend? Niche problem or is the tech inside it worth that?
joshstrangeabout 4 hours ago
I’ll wait for the reviews. I bought the Home Assistant Voice Preview device and it was underwhelming. Bad speaker, bad mic, bad pickup. I really wanted to like it but my Echo blew it out of the water.

I’m deep into the HA system so I cannot wait for Echo-quality that I can attach to my HA.

goda90about 1 hour ago
Have you looked into third party firmware for your Echo? I just bought some used Echo Shows that others have figured out how to install LineageOS on.
joshstrangeabout 1 hour ago
I have, but like you mention, it’s only something that can be done on older shows that can be re-flashed. It’s something I’m considering but haven’t pulled the trigger on yet.
Gelobabout 1 hour ago
same i cant see how the voice preview is even usable
bArrayabout 2 hours ago
> With just 32 MiB of embedded pSRAM memory and 16 MiB of flash, and 128 KiB ROM storage, the specs may sound meagre – although in the current AI climate, generous – but this is an embedded device not a full-blown PC hiding in an aroma diffuser1.

It somewhat reminds me of the PineCube, which had 128MB DDR3. Once the Linux tax was paid it was basically unusable.

> Factory shipped firmware is open-source and provides Wyoming Satellite, compatible with assistence platforms such as Home Assistant.

They are at least supposed to be able to show it working with some factory software [1]. I would have just liked to have seen some edge compute capability.

[1] https://pine64.org/documentation/PineVoice/

simonmalesabout 3 hours ago
Would love for Pine64 to thrive.

I don't own any of their products, but I am glad they exist.

NoboruWataya30 minutes ago
Same. Well, I did buy the PinePhone Braveheart edition a few years ago, but never did much with it. I keep an eye on the PinePhone Pro and PineNote in particular, these could be fantastic but it seems the software ecosystem is quite slow to develop.

What I like about Pine64 is that they go for low price points. Most of their products seems to be priced in line with low- or mid-end proprietary alternatives. Yes you can still complain about the hardware you get for what you pay but IMO for this kind of stuff, it's better to have an accessible price point and limited hardware than to charge a premium price for mid-range hardware that is still limited by experimental software support.

bluGill6 minutes ago
> What I like about Pine64 is that they go for low price points.

Sometimes I wish they would charge a little more and use that extra $$$ to pay someone to make the things work. there are too many rough edges that a full time developer would just fix, but nobody in the community gets "a round touit". These are things I could fix, but after my day job and getting my kids to everything I don't have energy left to focus.

aquariusDueabout 2 hours ago
I have their Pinecil and PinePower Desktop. They're really great products, I use the PinePower daily to charge my stuff at my desk and the Pinecil made soldering a joy, now I no longer dread it and can enjoy tinkering with hobby electronics again.
prependabout 2 hours ago
It’s funny that it comes with a 30 day warranty.

I love that this is out and one day hope to replace my alexas and whatnot so I can turn on my lights without hearing an ad for amazon prime.

ameliusabout 4 hours ago
Does this use _local_ processing of voice commands?
segbrkabout 3 hours ago
This is just a satellite device for Home Assistant (self-hosted) which you can set up to do processing however you’d like. There are cloud options for each stage of the pipeline (speech to text, LLM to turn text into tool calls, text to speech), but there are local options for all of that: https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/voice_remote_loc...
rjswabout 3 hours ago
My reading of the documentation [1] is that everything is local.

[1] https://pine64.org/documentation/PineVoice/Software/

pitchlatteabout 4 hours ago
i just wonder how good it sounds. open audiophile grade hardware is something of a gap.
loloquwowndueoabout 2 hours ago
Nah. A true audiophile would be analog only - no room for anything digital, smart or connected. “Wifi EM interferes with the sound”
mghackerlady20 minutes ago
No, I don't know any audiophiles who think analog is superior. Digital is objectively better sounding
bluGill3 minutes ago
Maybe not anymore, but that used to be a thing. I suspect some are still left, but I stay away from the places where audiophiles hang out.
itomatoabout 3 hours ago
It’s an off the shelf SOM.

Audiophiles are safe from this device.

paulcoleabout 2 hours ago
> PineVoice is in an early-stage development and early adopters will encounter quirks and performance issues. Future firmware updates should resolve issues in time, but like all of Pine64’s products, you’re not buying a consumer-grade product.

Like the Penny Arcade comic about a director who’s making a movie that’s not meant for the critics. “Wait, you can do that?”

lostmsuabout 2 hours ago
Does this device allow raw access to the microphone array? Considering the SoC I might want to stream it elsewhere for processing. How many independent channels does the array provide?
nshmabout 2 hours ago
From the sources it is based on BL606P

https://en.bouffalolab.com/product/?type=detail&id=16

voice processing is in hardware unfortunately, but it exposes some things like DOA

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