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I was reading this and didn't understand the point until I got to this:
"I overhauled my medical team earlier this year. It was the rebuild to lay the groundwork for Immortals Care, our $1M a year protocol. With greater capacity, we revisited everything."
And realized this person is speaking the language of scams.
He was the founder of Braintree which sold to paypal for $800M. He then was divorced and listless with near infinite money, so decided to see what would happen if money was no object and you tried to live a perfectly healthy life as dictated by current medical research, and document it.
He does sell supplements and now whatever immortals care is, but I can't imagine he makes much money from either compared to his NW (and passive income from it). It's more likely that there is demand from people following his experiment to get in on his findings (which are all public anyway, but convenience is king), because again, he doesn't have much incentive to scam people and his goal is already a selfish one, to live forever. But at least he openly shares everything on that path.
Edit: Since people really snag on the money part, since money makes you evil by default, let me rephrase:
"Bryan Johnson, a greedy billionaire, has totally fucked up his latest scam, and you can easily copy everything he does because he foolishy doesn't even try hiding any of his routines, regimens, daily meals, or even obfuscate any of the ingredients in the supplements he sells. That's right, you can fully copy what he does without giving his greedy hands a single penny. He even accidentally shares all his medical findings publicly too."
Every human being is self-interested, at least to some degree. So, it is perfectly expected that he seeks money, fame, status, power, sex, etc.
But he doesn't seem to exhibit these to an abnormal degree, and in any event, you can just evaluate his claims based on evidence and logic and they either succeed or fail.
Just because the Wright Brothers were selling airplanes doesn't mean that they didn't fly.
Kind of says everything we need to know?
> Since people really snag on the money part
This is the whole part :) it's a good thing to snag on in my opinion
Why you would ever waste your time running a supplement scam, when you passively earn $150k-$500k per day doing nothing, is probably the most perplexing proposition people are making here (which frankly I don't even think they are aware that they are making it).
He could just make an AI startup if he was really interested in doubling his NW.
Still a scam can include other "deceptive schemes" – maybe he's just trying to get fame or plain old attention.
I followed him very loosely 3 years back and he was touting the effectiveness of a hair dye that he claimed permanently restored hair color at the follicle level if you followed their prescribed routine. As in no more greys, permanently. The company was called Mayraki and nobody had ever heard of them before Bryan’s videos and while I’m not saying he was scamming, I find it likely something dubious was going on with a high likely hood of him being paid for this advertising.
He went as far as saying he had his medical team biopsy his scalp and found the hair was not grey below the skin line so therefore was 100% true. It was quite a convincing narrative at the time to try this $100 hair dye.
The internet, especially Reddit, is now full of angry people with grey hair (and less money) that claim this product didn’t do anything beyond a regular dye but for 5-6x the cost. I can attest to this myself.
Even his supplements are just concoctions of stuff anyone can buy, the ingredients are fully transparent. Anyone can follow what he does without giving him a penny.
He probably can't any more (I have no idea what the implications of his stomach disorder are, but I don't imagine great). But if he can I hope he has a beer and just relaxes and gets some happy vibes for a time.
He can't; not because of his stomach, but because he's spiritually incapable of enjoying a beer
Will he share all or will he try to sell you some fad instead? I wish him the best, and hope he recovers, but my money is on him trying to sell something new that won't work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/21/technology/bryan-johnson-...
I don't like Bryan Johnson per se, I just don't think that mal-intent has been substantiated.
For your second claim, I had to use ChatGPT to source it. It turns out that there was a problem with an earlier batch of one of his many supplements being out of spec per the COA. This is common and not unusual. He provides lab testing and COA for his current supplements. The unusual part is that anybody even ever knew his supplements were out of spec because companies don't really publish COA - and people knew because he did publish COA.
Bad news #1:
I have an autoimmune disease. My stomach is eating itself.
Bad news #2:
2–5% of people have this, too. Likely more, because it hides.
Good news:
I'm going to try and solve it. Will share all.
As a kid, I ate sugar cereal, drank sugary soda, and gobbled down fast food. I had a few healthy years in my early 20s but then became a young father of three and began building a business.
Juggling that stress and grind, I let my health slip and gained 40 lbs. Within a few years I’d fallen into a deep, chronic depression.
Somewhere in that timeline, my body began developing an autoimmune process affecting my thyroid and then my stomach lining.
It’s called Autoimmune Gastritis (AIG).
My hypothyroidism got diagnosed when I was 21 years old with a routine blood draw. That enabled me to begin proactive management, supplementing levothyroxine and Armour Thyroid. They are the hormones my body should be producing on its own but wasn’t.
By taking these pills daily, my body was able to operate as though my thyroid was functioning properly. What I didn’t know was that something else was going on inside my body: my stomach had begun attacking itself. But there was no routine test to find out and I didn’t have any symptoms.
I just discovered it in May. I'm unsure how long I've had it. AIG causes irreversible damage: nutritional deficiency, anemia, and over a long horizon, elevated cancer risk. When AIG is discovered today, standard medical care concedes defeat, stating that nothing can be done except managing the condition, no matter how awful or lethal the effects.
Looking back over the past few years, I can now see the early signals we were picking up in measurement but hadn’t connected the dots. For 11 years, I’ve had low ferritin, without anemia. We continually tried to raise my iron levels with food and supplementation but nothing would work.
We chased the obvious solutions first. A plant-based diet means all my iron is the hard-to-absorb, non-heme kind. Hard training, sauna, and hyperbaric oxygen all raise the body's demand for iron. But none of them explained the core failure: despite me taking iron orally, trialing every formulation, and using every timing trick, none of the iron would stick.
What I didn’t fully appreciate until recently is how many stones my previous providers had left unturned. The low ferritin kept getting explained away but not fixed.
Next, I believe he most likely gave the gastritis to himself because there are many things that can give rise to autoimmune diseases including several medications. If medication can do this, jamming a ton of supplements down your throat can also do it.
Believe me, I’ve been bio hacking myself for the last 20 years as well, but I’m poor. And that’s what it’s probably saved me. But I’ve come to a place to know what I can know and know what I will never know. It’s a happy balance between being healthier but not under the delusion that I will live forever.
No granted I am in a much worse position to start than Brian Johnson. I am poor and I have a serious mental illness, but I think I’ve done way better than him although I am 60 now and the stress of being homeless and suffering under this great separation of wealth has made things harder. I don’t have the money to get rid of my stress so maybe if you’re out there Brian Johnson and you wanna talk, hit me up.
We need to get back to regenerative farming that already has time proven solutions for weeds (ok maybe not the same yield straight away but at least its sustainable)
If your soil is just a chemical laden dust bowl then there are 2nd and 3 order effects from that
So while organic sustainable farming works and produces food, what is not shared is that the yield per unit work is dramatically higher for the chemical laden stuff.
You are making an assumption that "organic" = "driving down yields"[1] and that yield is the most important aspect of a food.
[1] https://rodaleinstitute.org/blog/new-research-reveals-organi...
I think the cocktails of experiments and supplements he’s done might not be good for the body.
There is an underlying fear of death that gets these guys as they age. They’d trade all the wealth they have if they could be $X years younger. That is I think worth “solving” more than some immortality thing.
What he has may not be a very serious disease yet I was interested in learning about his experience and felt sorry for him.
That part that confuses me about his story is: not once does he mention the symptoms or side effects. Unless I somehow missed that part, or he's leaving them out for private reasons, his evidence and symptoms are entirely lab-based.
Bodies are weird and do "abnormal" things in reaction to the environment, stress, physical activity, nutrition, etc. -- not everything your body does has to be a disease, a disorder, or something wrong.
He talks about how if he hadn't spent (ungodly amounts of) money tracking his health over the years, he could be in worse off condition. But I'd bet that if he hadn't been tracking his labs, he would've lived a pretty normal life.
Maybe the outcomes at 80+ years might be slightly different? But bodies will still naturally deteriorate over time and humans cannot live forever.
Well I mean we have a control group consisting of just about every other person diagnosed with this disease, right?
The wikipedia page [1] suggests you're probably right, especially given that he is male.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrophic_gastritis#Signs_and_s...
I think Mr Johnson disagrees
This is really invasive and I definitely hope there were solid grounds to order this. If not, his team has a pretty gung-ho approach.
One gives you a high potential for false positives or negatives, two data points with opposite results is just as useless. Three is the gold standard to create a consensus among sensors, a lesson Boeing learned with their angle of attack at the cost of many lives.
I'd like to see this guy die at 100 or something because I personally think immortality is bad for the world, but like 50 or whatever he is now is just sad. He could do a lot of good for the world by sharing lessons to help people live healthier lives.
To me he reminds of those stories of wealthy medieval ladies bathing in the blood of virgins. You just know this psychopath is one capitalistic stepping stone away from doing it.
Also, we're continuously finding new roles that microbes play in autoimmune disorders, eg rheumatoid, a condition which I myself have managed to reverse from utterly disabling to perfectly functional. My rheumatoid was almost certainly triggered by microbial (bacterial/viral) activity.
H Pylori is ubiquitous, and quite transmissible. Medical journals describe the many ways it can transmit, even via flies landing on utensils, plates, etc. I do not suggest pylori is directly at work here, but the growing consensus when treating it is that reducing it, not eradicating it, may be the better approach. Considering the many ailments it might be contributing to, including some forms of cancer, protocols for managing it may be prudent. But pylori is one of many, and there are countless strains of it alone.
I got to the point where I would get rashes from touching certain materials. That persisted for over a year. Not presently though. Doctors literally mocked me though, and without the temptation of insurance to milk, would ave nothing to do with me, at times literally taunting me.
My last encounter with an ER doctor was due to nasal swelling and pain, accompanied by extreme fatigue and malaise. During the visit, he told me to simply use any sharp object to remove the internal swollen matter and consider taking antidepressants. As soon as he left the room, so did I, and promptly the hospital itself. Unconventional disorders can seem futile, but there are, until corporately aligned LLMs centralize information and substitute the internet altogether, many medical journals, case reports and research papers that remain available.
I had chronic high BP sitting often around 197/170. Doctors told me I'd need to remain on BP medicine indefinitely, and that it would almost certainly be irreversible. When I could no longer afford regular tests, my GP sent a certified letter dismissing me as a patient. That was the end of my BP meds. 4 years later, without any medication, my BP sits at ~128/87, which may not be ideal, but is better than it was while on the meds.
I will say, that if we can wangle a truly FOSS LLM, rigorously policed for corporate and institutional influence, a lot of what is presently ailing us could be resolved. Many answer are out there, many waiting to be conceptually synthesized, but there is a lot out there. And there is a lot of incentive going in both directions.
1. try taking Saccharomyces Boulardii asap, it is a very different kind of probiotic, a yeast actually, that tends to push out the bad and promote the good
2. JAK-STAT inhibitors are the only known drug to get the body to stop attacking itself from autoimmune diseases, but not a cure and unfortunately they cost an absolute fortune without insurance but importing from Canada and India is possible
My old friend in Aussieland has been struggling with a multitude of ailments, gastrointestinal among them. After doing a few hours of well-intended research, I gave him a list of things I thought might help, all with disclaimers and contraindications noted. He chose to pursue the Coagulans. It nearly killed him. At first I was skeptical and insisted it was something else, or perhaps a tainted batch (which it may have been). He nearly lost consciousness, became weak, turned red, and swelled with difficulty breathing. Neither of us have an official professional evaluation of the cause, but it seems he had a severe allergic reaction to that strain, possibly as a result of microbial conflict, endotoxins, who knows, but it sure did scare the hell out of him.
That did not change my perspective on probiotics, but it was a reminder that each individual is, well, individual, and much of what we do experimentally is a gambit.
go ask google or chatgpt to explain why and you'll get it, more than I can narrate here
it will not colonize and can even be taken with antibiotics to help the gut survive
as long as the person is not allergic to yeast they would be fine in theory
once a person stops taking it there is no trace of it in your system 3-5 days later
ps. never take multi-strain probiotics, if you think the supplement world is sketchy there is absolutely no regulation or consistency to the probiotic world