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fxj•about 16 hours ago
There is a free emulator here:

https://www.fullbucket.de/music/fb3300.html

The PS-3300 is a 3 layer synth with 49 voices where each voice has its own VCO/VCF/VCA. So you end up with 16 voices when you use 3 layers. It has microtunality and a reverb for each of the layers.

Here is a sound demo:

https://soundcloud.com/full-bucket/fr33ze?utm_source=clipboa...

wigster•about 16 hours ago
wow - that site has lots of emulators. very nice. thanks
hjkl0•about 18 hours ago
Very curious about the design, wish they’d show more photos and say more about it.

Where are all those cables stored? Is the keyboard supposed to fold into the main case somehow?

Reminds me a bit of the C100 “developer terminal”: https://caligra.com/c100/ (which I just noticed is now shipping)

Lio•about 10 hours ago
Patch cables will need to be stored externally, as with other semi-modular synths. I've seen little cable hangers but it would be unusual to have that as part of the main design.

They say that it comes with a custom hard case to hold both the main unit and the keyboard.

Korg worked previously with David Friend of Arp and the Alan R Pearlman Foundation to reissue the Arp 2600 and Arp Odyssey. The Arp 2600 Full Size design is somewhat similar to this, although smaller, in that it comes with its own flight cases.

I have Korg's smaller still Arp 2600M reisslue and that came with a suitcase and foam inserts to hold the main unit, keyboard, patch cables and sequencer.

I get the impression that the PS-3300 is meant to be set up permanently in one place like a studio rather than being gigged.

steve1977•about 17 hours ago
Well it's remake of an old synthesizer, there's plenty of information and pictures about the original.
kristianp•about 15 hours ago
The remake isn't going to be exactly the same as the original. It is sensible to want more photos of the new units.
steve1977•about 10 hours ago
Not 100% exactly, but the whole point of these Korg reissues is to be very close to the originals. So in terms of general architecture, it will be the same.
gizajob•about 14 hours ago
Zero clue who would find the need to pay $2700 for that.
mathgeek•about 13 hours ago
Very little of lifestyle products is about need. Folks will open their wallets for some combination of personal wants, exclusivity (or the illusion of it), or even something as simple as a coffee table discussion piece.

These sorts of "collectible clones" are pretty popular at the moment. A big part of it is nostalgia.

steve1977•about 6 hours ago
Nostalgia and also specifically catering to people who are affluent enough now to afford things they couldn't afford as kids or teens.
curioussam•about 17 hours ago
Oh dud, is it so hard to find out that is is an updated revision?
glimshe•about 17 hours ago
I'll wait for the Behringer clone!
Rochus•6 days ago
Nice, but I guess it's pretty expensive.
Lio•6 days ago
Likely around ÂŁ11,000 I heard.

That gives me the same feeling as a concert grand piano or installed pipe organ. I'll never get to own one or probably even touch one but I'm glad they exist for professional musicians to use.

Luckily cheap software and hardware synths can give us all a taste of what they're like.

This Korg seems more like something for museums or professional studios.

ssl-3•about 19 hours ago
> ÂŁ11,000

> That gives me the same feeling as a concert grand piano or installed pipe organ.

I think you might need to increase the number by an order of magnitude or more to get into the ballpark of [new] concert grand pianos and installed pipe organs.

juliusdavies•about 17 hours ago
A new Steinway spirio grand piano is around $650k usd
ButlerianJihad•about 18 hours ago
It must be understood that, unlike grand pianos, the building containing an installed pipe organ is integral to its operation and sound, so their costs, construction and maintenance are inextricably linked for the lifetime of the instrument.
wavemode•about 19 hours ago
ÂŁ11,000 is a lot of money, but in the context of instruments is pretty reasonable.
TheOtherHobbes•about 13 hours ago
The original 1977 price was around ÂŁ5800, which according to the BoE inflation calculator is ÂŁ35,000 in modern money.

These are an unusual design, because they're an organ/synth hybrid. There's a tuneable oscillator for each pitch class, but they're divided down for the octaves. So it's more like a string synth/organ architecture than three full synth voices per key (which would be insanely expensive), but the dividers for each octave are driven by single VCOs which can be tuned manually and modulated together.

The sound is... interesting. Analog, but doesn't have the legendary reputation of other synths. Korg always made quirky little synths, and this is more of a quirky big synth. They didn't make many of the original.

The reissue is aimed at the usual Gen X/Boomer demographic who would have wanted one when they first appeared, couldn't afford one, but have the cash to burn now.

Rochus•6 days ago
> but I'm glad they exist for professional musicians to use

The irony is that a professional musician in most cases has less budget to buy those expensive things than someone working e.g. as a teacher or clerc.

brudgers•5 days ago
Musicians who landed a successful sync licensing deal, have that kind of money. Likewise producers who got points on something that took off.

Anyway, $11,000 for a musical instrument is not that much for a musical instrument even when it is a lot of hamburgers for a given musician.

Lio•6 days ago
Very true especially in this day and age. I think by “professional” I mean someone already successful rather than an up and comer.
Mistletoe•about 19 hours ago
> If the hardware price tag (over $17,000) is out of reach, Cherry Audio offers an exacting virtual analog emulation for just $49.

:)

Cthulhu_•about 17 hours ago
Yeah, you can enter the market of (physical) synthesizers for around ÂŁ100, or for free via the myriad of online/digital ones.

Things like this aren't for making music (anymore), but for collecting.

gnabgib•6 days ago
Title could really use the synth-model (as it is on the site).. how about: One of the rarest and most coveted synthesizers in history, PS-3300, is back (it's still click-baity.. but then it just be PS-3300 - A legend, reborn)
Lio•6 days ago
Good point. The full title was too long so I edited it down. Hopefully this is clearer.
alex_x•about 18 hours ago
Am I the only one who takes these “legends returns“ for a lack of innovation?

Noticed that for a while in triple A gaming. I get it, companies are playing safe, but I don’t want to be sold the same thing over and once again..

Edit: typo

Torn•about 18 hours ago
I think it's a bit different in this case. There are plenty of modern synthesisers, from Korg and others

This is intended to be a faithful recreation of a classic synth, for collectors / rich enthusiasts

malthaus•about 17 hours ago
over the last few years there was a huge demand for analog synthesizers again after them being mostly replaced by digital synths since the mid 90s for 2.5 decades with users demanding from the traditional companies to re-issue the classics

they are classics for a reason and subtractive synthesis is mostly "done", so it's more about bringing classic sound characters due to subtle differences in components / architecture back

ofalkaed•about 15 hours ago
I agree and even when they offer something new, they stick close to well established topologies generally just adding in more. I don't need 8 flavors of filter that I have to scroll through with a single button, just give me one or two good ones. Great that you are giving me four envelops but if they all trigger at the same time it is not that useful, provide some other way to trigger them or give us a trigger delay. Distortion after the filter? why? put it before so I can shape it, I can apply post filter distortion outside the box if I want it and there it can take advantage of the envelope's dynamics. But thanks for giving me a tincan reverb and a delay that can't be clocked by the LFOs or even synced.

There are so many simple things they could do to greatly increase what these synths are capable of, but they don't.

Oh, and give me a way to wipe the memory or at least a bank of empty patches so I don't have to delete a preset every single time or make an empty patch to save over the presets or make a file of empty patches on the computer that I can copy over through midi.

I could go on, 30 years of hitting my head against the same walls. I am almost at the point of building my own synth and a bela and a pi-zero would make it pretty easy to do, but I haven't quite gotten irritated enough to do it, would rather spend that time making music.

TheOtherHobbes•about 13 hours ago
There's been a lot of innovation in music tech with synths like the MicroFreak.

Korg have made a series of original synths (and VSTs) that are nods to old tech with a lot of updated features.

The VST market in general is a bubbling mix of clonery and originality.

The reissues and clones are for people who want a specific vintage sound but can't afford the insane prices of vintage originals.

willtemperley•about 16 hours ago
> I don’t want to be sold the same thing over and once again.

I don't want to be sold the same music, algorithmically recreated again and again to maximise profit while circumventing copyright law.

A lot of people like analogue music. I certainly do, and I wonder if Korg are anticipating a reaction to the slop.

uwagar•about 18 hours ago
i am the other one.
curioussam•about 17 hours ago
Maybe not. But you are clearly not the audience.
otabdeveloper4•about 15 hours ago
It's for collectors. There's no musical value in a polyphonic analogue synthesizer.
Lio•about 12 hours ago
This is the oddest statement I've read in a while.

How is there "no musical value in a polyphonic analogue synthesizer"?

There's a lot of unique music written using polyphonic analogue synths. Enough that people clearly like the sounds of subtractive synthesis. If they were only used just to playback tracks written in the 70s, 80s and 90s then they would still have value.

The growth of cheap analogue synths proves it's not just collectors that appreciated the user interface and the sound. There's a legion of people buying Bass Stations, Korgs, Moogs, Behrigners and Eurorack.

If Yamaha could reproduce a modern analogue GX-1 or CS-80 recreation I bet they would get snapped up too.

otabdeveloper4•about 9 hours ago
Sorry, I can't make any sense of your comment.

"Polyphonic analogue synth" means several independent envelope generators and VCFs.

Doing this is pointless -- it increases your synth's costs by orders of magnitude and provides no musical benefit whatsoever except make it slightly easier for piano players with no synthesizer experience to play it.

> The growth of cheap analogue synths

Yes, but literally none of them are doing analogue polyphony. The entire idea is just massively stupid and makes no sense in the 21st century.

steve1977•about 17 hours ago
Toys for rich kids with a lack of talent basically.
Cthulhu_•about 17 hours ago
I'd argue if they had a lack of talent they would prefer modern and digital alternatives - same/more/better sound and tools to churn out stuff with.
steve1977•about 17 hours ago
They don't need to churn out stuff. They just want to show off what they possess.
defrost•about 17 hours ago
If it's purchased as an idle showpiece toy, then sure talent is optional.

There will be a few old school Brian Eno adjacent types who'll want one to make noise with ... and some talent will be requisite to avoid sounding like a bag of cats being poked with a stick.

alwa•about 16 hours ago
I, for one, specialize my sonic practice in immersive cat-yowl soundscapes…