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jamesonabout 2 hours ago
> The EUIPO found that the word "open" would be understood by the relevant public as meaning freely accessible, while the combination with "AI" (artificial intelligence) would be interpreted as referring to products based on openly accessible artificial intelligence.

> for certain software and information technology goods and services, the term is purely descriptive and therefore lacks the distinctiveness required for trademark protection

edit: add the latter statement

yorwbaabout 2 hours ago
More pertinently "the term is purely descriptive and therefore lacks the distinctiveness required for trademark protection." I.e. the problem isn't that OpenAI's products don't match their description, but that trademarking it would unduly prevent others from describing their openly accessible artificial intelligence as "open AI."
jasode12 minutes ago
>More pertinently "the term is purely descriptive and therefore lacks the distinctiveness required for trademark protection."

As I wrote in my other comment, "open systems" also can be purely descriptive and yet Open Systems seems to be a valid trademark in Europe.

I'm not defending OpenAI. I'm just confused that the rules for allowing trademarks for ordinary words and phrases don't look consistent at the surface level.

Ekarosabout 2 hours ago
I think there is most likely set of adjectives that would fall under same reasoning. GreenAI or FreeAI likely would be also be refused.

On other hand RedAI or BlueAI might very well pass. It is not entirely unreasonable decision if you consider if the terms would be used in regular conversations on AI.

a012about 2 hours ago
UnicornAI. You’re welcome
DaiPlusPlusabout 2 hours ago
> RedAI

I suppose that could be a generic term for any AI used as an mock adversarial or sparring-partner role, like how "red team" is today.

> BlueAI

Would refer to an LLM/agent rained to simulate clinical depression...

...at which point I would ask why we're creating things that will know only pain and suffering? Are we the baddies now?

Hamukoabout 1 hour ago
And to think that this could have all been avoided if they'd just renamed themselves something more appropriate after they decided to focus fully on developing closed models for profit.
zkmonabout 2 hours ago
Someone finally asks some sensible questions, about hijacking of the term "open".
ChrisMarshallNYabout 2 hours ago
I seem to remember the company behind either Monster Cables, or Monster energy drinks, going after anyone that used the word “monster,” even in casual context.
vitally3643about 2 hours ago
It was Monster Cables who, blessedly, are nearly irrelevant nowadays. Apparently they tried to pivot into online gambling a few years ago.
Chu4eenoabout 2 hours ago
I thought you were joking, but that seemingly was the argument.
slibhbabout 2 hours ago
The argument doesn't hinge on whether OpenAI is actually open. Rather it seems to have to do with the name being insufficiently distinguishable from a generic term ("open AI"). I think it's a bizarre ruling given that everyone already knows what OpenAI is.
wongarsu16 minutes ago
In the EU "well known marks" are protected even without registration, and block conflicting trademark applications

As such "everyone knows them" isn't a reason to allow a registration. It would just mean that blocking the trademark has no practical effect

sardukardboardabout 2 hours ago
Everyone on HN knows what OpenAI is, but there are tons of people who use ChatGPT and either don’t know OpenAI or don’t know the distinction between OpenAI (the company) and OpenAI (the conjunction of two words)
nottorpabout 1 hour ago
> everyone already knows what OpenAI is

If it has Open in the name it's something to do with open source and "AI" right? :)

seanhunterabout 2 hours ago
Trademark law isn't about what "everyone already knows". It's about whether a given mark meets the criteria for legal protection in a give context. So if say an foss ML project described what they do as "open AI" the company known as OpenAI would have a right to defend the mark. This is saying they could not.
joshuatabout 2 hours ago
Preventing companies named [adjective]+[product/service provided] doesn't seem sustainable.
bryanrasmussenabout 2 hours ago
They haven't prevented that. They have prevented trademarking the terms, thus other people whose AI offerings are Open are in fact allowed to describe their products as an Open AI, I presume they are not allowed to describe their products as being OpenAI however as that would create consumer confusion.

Furthermore they have not said anything about [adjective] being non trademarkable, they have said that you shouldn't be able to trademark things that have specific meaning in your industry, as Open has some specific meaning in the software industry.

Thus you would probably be allowed to name your things [big] +[proudct/service provided] or in this case bigAI because big does not really imply a specific desirable quality in the Software industry.

Now before you start talking of how you can see blah blah how big would be useful blah blah, as is the tradition whenever programmers encounter a legal decision that they do not agree with, it just ain't gonna work. I guess though I cannot prevent the inevitable, but nobody in IT says does it have the technical quality of "bigness" before purchasing, but they do about the quality of "Openness", so obviously some adjectives would be untrademarkable in this context, if you named your AI SecureAI probably no go, If you named your AI UglyAssAI probably fine.

sucrosesucrose27 minutes ago
Preventing the hijacking and privatization of short phrases and language in general is actually an excellent thing. I applaud this decision, and wish for the rules to become even tighter.
Retricabout 2 hours ago
Companies can be named after random nonsense, ‘pink catfish’ could easily be the world’s #1 supplier of firearms and nobody would find it strange.

Caterpillar, Apple, Kellogg, etc really don’t have anything to do with the underlying product but neither do people’s names.

wblabout 1 hour ago
Caterpillar does have a lot to do with the product. It crawls on a track and a photographer thought the track looked like a caterpillar .
zkmonabout 2 hours ago
They didn't have "open" or "free" as prefix.
a012about 2 hours ago
And they went out of their way to sue anyone that dare to use the cat word in the name or anything resembling an apple in the logo.
Hamukoabout 1 hour ago
This seems a lot more sustainable than allowing me to trademark a tire company called "WinterTire" and enabling me to sue any other tire company that tries to capitalise on my trademark.

(And if WinterTire Co was anything like OpenAI, it'd be focused on making summer tires)

summarityabout 2 hours ago
Key difference between the trademark systems here: in the EU system you don’t get a trademark by trading with a specific name and it then being recognized. It’s the other way around: the name must be unique, not confusing, and highly specific. It’s actually irrelevant whether a product exists or is traded at all.

Having gone through the process and gotten both approvals and rejections, the line is pretty clear.

goobatroobaabout 2 hours ago
Good. The trademark would ultimately allow them to sue any company for claiming it provides "open AI". So only right choice to reject it.
mrtnmccabout 2 hours ago
We had a similar result when a big U.S. defense company (Kratos) tried to take our open source project's domain name: open.space

The panel ruled in our favor, that their OPENSPACE trademark is probably invalid because it is descriptive.

https://domainnamewire.com/2026/04/08/u-s-defense-contractor...

kzrdudeabout 2 hours ago
ChatGPT is a household name. And OpenAi is actually not, people outside tech don't necessarily know it.
joshuatabout 2 hours ago
But people actively searching for AI products who are perhaps a little less technically inclined might. And if they stumble upon a platform that by all accounts seems to be affiliated with OpenAI, that could be problematic, especially with the level of trust people seem to be comfortable handing to LLMs.
wongarsu13 minutes ago
But that's on OpenAI for selecting that company name. EU trademark law hasn't changed, this was always going to be a problematic trademark if challenged

They still have the trademark on their logo

ginkoabout 1 hour ago
If I search for "Open AI" on google right now the first search results are openai.com, chatgpt.com and the OpenAI wikipedia page. None of which are open AI.
paroleofficerabout 2 hours ago
Open source charity suddenly becoming capitalistic not going as planned
TSiegeabout 2 hours ago
This really is the crux of the image, and now legal, issues. OpenAI hovered up tons of money and IP under the claim that they were doing this for the public good. Now they’ve essentially admitted that was all bullshit and that they want to sell the distillation of human created knowledge and content for a fee. It’s certainly bullshit to call that bait and switch “open”
GuB-42about 1 hour ago
As much as I hate OpenAI for hijacking the term "open", and I love the idea of OpenAI losing, I am not sure if I agree with it.

Trademarks are first intended to protect consumers, so that if it says Coca Cola, then the Coca Cola company made it, for the better of for the worse, but at least you know.

OpenAI is already a well known name in Europe, and when I see OpenAI on a product, I expect it to be a product of that company. It doesn't mean I will want to use it, I may even want to avoid it, but I don't want it to be from someone else. By denying that trademark, anyone could call their product OpenAI, and I don't think that situation would benefit the consumer.

wsngabout 1 hour ago
As explained in the judgement, being well-known is irrelevant. This is not about consumer protection, but about brand protection.

You are right that the decision has the potential to confuse consumers. However, that is on Open AI, they should have consulted trademark lawyers earlier, and should have rebranded after shifting from open AI to commercial AI.

GuB-4222 minutes ago
I trust the judges on that one, they know the law better than I do, obviously.

I am also not discussing about who is at fault, I agree that it is on OpenAI.

I just don't want, say, some company that is even shadier than OpenAI to launch an OpenAI branded protect with the intention to mislead people.

Maybe grant OpenAI the trademark, but do not allow them to use it on products that are not actually open, but I guess it is legally problematic.

Hamukoabout 1 hour ago
>OpenAI is already a well known name in Europe

Are there brand awareness surveys that back that up?

nottorpabout 1 hour ago
> Trademarks are first intended to protect consumers

Huh? I thought they're intended to protect "innovation".

tsimionescu10 minutes ago
No, they are very much not. That's the supposed benefit of patents and/or copyright. Trademarks are for ensuring there is no consumer confusion about which company they are trading with.
GuB-42about 1 hour ago
I think you are confusing trademarks with patents.

Trademarks don't prevent you from copying anything, they only prevent you from being misleading regarding the origin.

echoangleabout 1 hour ago
I think patents are for innovation and trademarks are to make sure that people can reliably know who they’re dealing with.
skeledrewabout 2 hours ago
The only problem I see here is the name doesn't reflect the reality. Time to put something in place that tells them to rebrand and continuously charges them for fraudulent misrepresentation or something until they do.
Dweditabout 1 hour ago
I wonder how that trademark logic would apply to something like OpenGL.
jmoleabout 2 hours ago
This seems like a bad decision to me that will ultimately harm consumers, if anyone can launch a product and say it’s made by “OpenAI”.
VorpalWayabout 2 hours ago
Well, they could have used a less generic and misleading name (it is not very open, as noted in the article). OpenAI only really have themselves to blame here.
slibhbabout 2 hours ago
Give me a break. Apple doesn't sell apples.
n6242about 2 hours ago
Exactly. Apple can register Apple because they don't sell apples so it's not misleading. OpenAI can't register OpenAI because they make ai but it's not open. They could call themselves Peaches, OpenWombat or ClosedAI and there wouldn't be any issues because those wouldn't be misleading.
lokarabout 2 hours ago
Do they have a trademark on the word apple with no other context? I thought it was Apple computer, which is distinct.
freejazz21 minutes ago
It's like you are starting to get it.
Legend2440about 2 hours ago
Plenty of companies use generic words for their name, and they still get trademarks.

American Airlines for example is indeed just an American airline. The Container Store, Vision Center, General Motors, International business machines (IBM), the list goes on.

Even Microsoft is just a contraction of their original product, microcomputer software.

DrammBAabout 2 hours ago
I understood it more in the line of preventing a company from naming itself "Low sugar" and then blocking other companies from adding the words "Low sugar" to their packaging. Same thing with OpenAI, another company should be free to create an AI that's fully open and tag it as "Open AI" without fearing legal problems with OpenAI.
raverbashingabout 2 hours ago
> Even Microsoft is just a contraction of their original product, microcomputer software.

Hopefully that was also a family suggestion because I can't think of a more sloppy name than "Microcomputer software"

literalAardvarkabout 2 hours ago
In the US
NBJackabout 2 hours ago
You know, if it was someone offering a truly open (weights + training data) and available model running on consumer hardware in a privacy sandbox, I would welcome that "harm".
Legend2440about 2 hours ago
It's not going to be something like that. Anyone legitimate is going to want to use a different name because of the confusion.

The only people naming something "OpenAI" are going to be trying to trick you into downloading their scammy chatGPT clone.

TazeTSchnitzelabout 2 hours ago
OpenAI would probably still have some kind of claim against a company that did that.
Symbioteabout 2 hours ago
No, at least not in the EU. That's the meaning of this decision.
7bitabout 2 hours ago
"It will harm consumers"

Ah yes, chosing a name that transports openness and transparency when the opposite is the case, and complaining about not being able to register that name as a trademark, which will cause financial harm the said company -- but somehow there's still people to spin it the other way around so it harms consumers now, therefore it was a bad decision.

That's the definition of anti-consumer behavior

Legend2440about 2 hours ago
You just don't like OpenAI and are for anything that hurts them, without thinking through the consequences.

What will harm consumers is the scammy "OpenAI" chat app that I can now legally upload to app stores in the EU, in hopes of tricking people into thinking it's a genuine app.

7bitabout 2 hours ago
I use OpenAI. I just am against anti-consumer behaviour
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miroljubabout 2 hours ago
They should just rename it to ClosedAI.

It would be more honest to their customers and better show who they are and what they stand for.

echoangle43 minutes ago
If OpenAI is rejected, that would be rejected too…
kremboabout 2 hours ago
Weird decision, if so I wonder what would they say about other trademarks like Apple..
sebastiennightabout 2 hours ago
Apple is a valid trademark in the "computers" category, but would not be accepted in the "food" category.

Here are the 13 valid trademarks in France containing the word "apple" in the same category as fruit: https://data.inpi.fr/search?advancedSearch=%257B%2522checkbo...

None of them are descriptive of the actual fruit.

"Apples in the Sky" is a valid trademark only because apples in the sky do not exist. If there was a strange meteorobiological event where such fruit started to grow in the clouds, this would no longer be a valid trademark for someone to create, because it would be descriptive of a category of things in the real world.

realoabout 1 hour ago
What about "Savoury apple" ?
sebastiennight44 minutes ago
Is that a category of things that exist?
freejazz11 minutes ago
Hard to make it clearer that you didn't read/understand the decision than a post like this
gregman1about 2 hours ago
Touché
joshuatabout 2 hours ago
This feels like a slight misstep that could result in consumer harm. The name is incredibly vague, without doubt, but to claim "OpenAI" doesn't evoke a very specific company at this point in the minds of consumers seems myopic.
thewebguydabout 2 hours ago
Whether it evokes a specific company now isn't relevant to the ruling. The trademark was refused, and this was a challenge to that initial refusal, and the refusal was upheld.

I somewhat agree with the EU here. It's far too generic, "Open" and "AI." To grant the trademark would mean any AI product that actually IS open, or open source, etc. cannot say they are "Open AI" which IMO would be a problem.

Where I might disagree with the ruling is spacing vs. no spacing. I'd have granted them the trademark on specifically "openai" as a single word but not "Open AI". Let's them defend their name against anyone else calling themselves "OpenAI" but not any other product advertising itself as "Open" "AI".

joshuatabout 2 hours ago
I completely agree with your last point. They shouldn't have ownership of "Open" in relation to "AI" broadly speaking, but their company name "OpenAI" should be protected.

Entirely possible, seeming more likely, that I didn't have enough background information on the short article.

Ensorceledabout 2 hours ago
The EU shouldn't be held to bad decisions made by the US trademark office.
7bitabout 2 hours ago
Ah yes, classic max capitalism take
jasodeabout 2 hours ago
The story about the ruling really doesn't explain why another company called OpenText that's been around since 1991 and has a valid trademark registration in EU but OpenAI would be invalid. OpenText also has its Europe headquarters in Germany: https://www.opentext.com/about/office-locations

Any legal guesses as to why those 2 companies are treated differently with regards to the very generic words : "open", "text", "AI" ?

EDIT add another example is Open Systems that has a office in Switzerland. https://www.open-systems.com/

The trademark registrations search results: https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/results?page=1&pageSize...

We can assume the OpenAI lawyers brought up these and other similar examples and the court rejected the past examples as a valid argument.

sebastiennightabout 1 hour ago
First of all, can you explain what an "open text" is?

Second, as far as I can find through the French IP office (INPI), OpenText (single word) is trademarked as a figurative trademark (meaning they are basically protecting the image of the logo), not a verbal trademark.[0]

Which is what you typically do when you know that your trademark is too likely to be rejected (as being too descriptive), but you want to give it a semblance of protection.

So, no, I wouldn't assume they have been treated better.

[0] https://data.inpi.fr/search?advancedSearch=%257B%2522checkbo...

SkiFire13about 1 hour ago
All OpenText EUIPO trademarks I can find are also figurative https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/results?page=1&pageSize...
jasodeabout 1 hour ago
Maybe I'm using that website wrong but I clicked on "Word" as a filter and got these that are not figurative :

https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/results?page=1&pageSize...

Lapel2742about 1 hour ago
> Any legal guesses as to why those 2 companies are treated differently with regards to the very generic words : "open", "text", "AI" ?

The legal situation may have changed since 1991. For example: The ruling refers to "Regulation 2017/1001", which, as the name suggests, only came into force in 2017.

wsngabout 1 hour ago
Open AI has an independent descriptive meaning as composite term. You would practically trademark a whole class of products, not only a brand name.

In contrast, open text is not descriptive in the sense of being a category of things. Therefore there is no risk that competitors would run into trademark issues by just describing their products.

Also, trademark decisions are always contextual to their time. Today’s meaning of ‘open’ in the context of software and data was not even coined in 1991, at that time people used ‘free software’ as term. Today I am not sure if ‘open text’ could still be trademarked.

jasode24 minutes ago
>Open AI has an independent descriptive meaning as composite term.

See my edit. "Open Systems" also had an independent descriptive meaning. The phrase "open systems" was a very common generic phrase in 1990s when companies talking about POSIX compliance was a big deal. (E.g. Microsoft touted POSIX in Windows NT.)

zeuslyabout 1 hour ago
Maybe it's because in 1991 the word open in software wasn't ringing any bells for your average joe.
nozzlegear28 minutes ago
I doubt it rings any bells with the average joe in 2026 either.
scottydeltaabout 1 hour ago
Basically the laws have changed since then, and OpenText is grandfathered in.