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I had to look this up, the word doesn't have a very long history claims this bit https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/history-of-the-word... . The first authoritarian regime that might come to mind to most after the French Revolution, the Nazis, didn't use this word commonly for their opposition, either, AFAIK.
?? you think no government between the French Revolution government and the Nazis could qualify as "authoritarian"?
Garrett probably thought by making those statements a year ago he could get political support from the current administration and population. Looks like that was a bad bet.
I actually think the service Flock provides could be interesting but the complete lack of guardrails makes it a no go.
There are no 'guardrails' to mass surveillance.
- Require a judicial warrant before recording anything. Recording with a camera network is now considered a 4th amendment search, and scope must be minimized to prevent harm to the public.
- Police must articulate a probable cause for a search, and can only record locations for specified vehicle or individual traits during a specified time window as approved in the warrant.
- No BS with recording everyone and searching the existing database of every public movement whenever you want; this is a "dragnet" and is unconstitutional or highly contested in other contexts (e.g. geolocation).
Activists destroy visible surveillance cameras, so they hide them and make them hard to recognize. Activists trace the camera locations from the public data, so Flock kills those feeds and sells only to vetted buyers.
The value of mass surveillance is high enough and the power imbalance so strongly against the citizenry, that someone will setup these hidden cameras, as long as it's legal.
Imagine what you can do with this data, face recognition and GPT-5 class agents. Not only do you have the realtime location of your victims, but now you can see who they talk to, what they wear, what mood they are in, what they bought, are they drinking or visiting a brothel, what car they go into - and it's no longer an ephemeral cookie id, it's the face that person will have forever, on their id documents, in any interview or loan application they will ever do.
This data is worth trillions in the long run if sufficiently oppressive structures are put in place to leverage it.
No cameras on us.
24/7 Body Cameras on politicians, w/ audio.
Releasing full unredacted body camera footage continuously is a bad idea - but prosecutors and defense attorneys have been trusted with equivalently sensitive information in the past. I don't know how we lost the battle on this front and allowed them to ever be turned off.
However, this is a clear case that points to the idea that in damage control, you never apologize. It just creates more news about the situation.
Otherwise they're patriots.
There are Flock cameras placed along running paths where there are no cars, and other places that would never need license plate readers.
Does Flock have a microphone that can record you talking with your friend while watching ducks at the local park?
not really.
I don't want any private entity to catalogue humans identifiably to a population-scale extent.
if we as a collective whole wanted these things around they (Flock) wouldn't have to buy their positions from the regional municipalities.
Beware the Ellisons, they're on record for Big Brother.
A lot of Americans do if it "owns the libs" or makes the lives immigrants worse.
I apologize is not an apology any more than saying, "I work out" is a workout. The fascist who considers his opposition antifa is in no way contrite. People only say "I apologize" because it's a whole lot easier to say than "I'm sorry."
"Fuck you, pay me! If not me, someone else will!, profit must be had, your privacy be damned."
Unrelated, in about a minute this post went from the front page to the third page.
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