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NichoPaolucci•37 minutes ago
As I looked through the images I was unimpressed entirely, at first. But, then I started thinking, these look a little... "childish" to me.

Childish as in... A newish artist who is drawing a concept rather than light / forms (Which is something artists typically do as they understand drawing more and more).

The rose in the vase specifically - some models understood that there was supposed to be shading, reflections, the concept of refraction - others just drew "blue = glass" and "green = stem" and "red = rose".

Really odd to look at, considering if I saw any of these drawings from a human kid, I would say "good job buddy" and put it on the fridge. I'm expecting these to get better as models improve, and perhaps the artistic progression will be there along with it...

ralusek•29 minutes ago
What's interesting is that the way in which they're childish is actually extremely human. In fact, one of the ways that you're often taught to draw more realistically is to stop thinking of the concepts as icons you're drawing the outlines of, and instead sort of blur your eyes and see things as they are: hues and values. In other words, become a camera or a printer that has no idea what it's capturing or printing other than a grid of values. That is how you achieve realism.

The fact that it has clearly iconified these concepts in its mind and is tracing the outlines of the things it thinks/expects to go where is very human.

ksd482•about 2 hours ago
Grok! LOL!

Seriously, what's going on there ? Why is it so different from others? Is it just behind technologically/training wise or it's using something fundamentally different?

jorl17•about 1 hour ago
Grok 4.5 is...something else.

It performs much better than composer2.5 (while being as fast). It's not Opus, but I think it's not that far off. Definitely better than sonnet for what I've been doing.

On the other hand, I think they probably heavily adapted the training data so that it really is extremely focused on code. I just recently ran my personal "poetry benchmark" on it (where I give it ~850 poems I've written over my life and ask it to comment the corpus as a whole), and it's whack. It tries to write in portuguese (most of the poems are portuguese) and code-switches constantly and mixes up words to the point of making what it writes almost unreadable (e.g. it writes stuff like "You can't QoS that that look for beast poems", in portuguese, all messed up). The quality of the analysis is also quite bad (I'd say it's definitely behind Sonnet).

So I really think they either threw away data that wasn't tied to coding so that they could fine-tune it to that, or somehow they've got such an unbalanced dataset that coding ends up dominating either way. To me, its disastrous performance in this drawing "competition" fits this narrative.

giancarlostoro•about 1 hour ago
They focused a little too much on Grok Imagine.
eth0up•27 minutes ago
The razor-wire at the bottom for Starry Night was clever, and very Grok. Really shows its military spirit.

Edit: I just don't see the point of redacting the Mona Lisa

Ekshef•about 1 hour ago
Did Elon tell some poor engineer to give grok a prompt injection for drawing,"make it look like one of my childhood drawings!" Just like the Tesla truck?
taf2•13 minutes ago
Would love to see the results if they had used /goal or similar
ms7892•about 3 hours ago
SXX•7 minutes ago
Now add Deepseek, GLM and Kimi :-)
pavel_lishin•about 2 hours ago
I think this is just an ad.
noodlescb•about 2 hours ago
If it is, it's a horrible ad. My main takeaway is that all of them were god awful at image generation and Fable was 20x more expensive and still awful.
Legend2440•about 1 hour ago
Well, your takeaway is bad. This isn't image generation, it's tool use with a digital paintbrush.
boomskats•40 minutes ago
And image tokenisation.
AlienRobot•44 minutes ago
The difference in cost is pretty incredible.
eth0up•about 1 hour ago
Claude was clearly 'pushing back' on the coziness of the cabin. But I think it did best with the cat. Grok, I fear, is making a case for euthanasia. It's suffering and I think it would be cruel to let it continue. Someone pull the plug. .
geroge_kyaw•about 2 hours ago
Useless They are not image generation models.
Legend2440•about 1 hour ago
That's what makes it an interesting challenge.
samuelknight•about 2 hours ago
Not useless. LLMs are the most general purpose computer algorithms ever created. They are getting smarter and cheaper at a geometric rate. What is a bad idea today could have useful applications tomorrow.
munk-a•about 1 hour ago
> cheaper at a geometric rate

Citation needed - my company is paying more than ever for code generation. I have no reason to believe (given anecdotes) that anyone finds themselves in the opposite situation.

KolinFirz•about 2 hours ago
Tell them to draw LeBron James or Heisenberg. Everyone will refuse.