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aesthesia•about 2 hours ago
My guess is that RL training being done with particular generation parameters makes models much more brittle to changes in these parameters, and that's why we're seeing changes like this across model providers. But I don't really know.
pixelmelt•about 2 hours ago
I'm inclined to agree given how unstable Gemma 4 is when not using the "official" sampler settings
tolugenius•about 3 hours ago
> To improve determinism, define a system instruction with explicit rules for your specific use case.

Is this guaranteed to work any better than top_k or top_p? This just sounds like making a smaller version of a Agent.md doc.

janalsncm•33 minutes ago
It is guaranteed to work worse than top_k=1, that’s for sure.
kouteiheika•about 1 hour ago
Obligatory "The Conspiracy Against High Temperature Sampling":

https://gist.github.com/Hellisotherpeople/71ba712f9f899adcb0...

NooneAtAll3•37 minutes ago
where can one learn what top_k and top_p mean?
krapht•10 minutes ago
ironically, any frontier LLM will easily generate a tutorial at any detail you like explaining what these are.

if don't have time for that, just know that these are technical parameters that affect how likely it is an llm will produce the same result after being asked the same question.

tough•about 3 hours ago
fwiw sonnet-5 also drops temperature (sonne-4 had it)
impulser_•about 2 hours ago
Good. These have been basically useless for the past few generations of models, and most of the time made the model perform worst.
greatgib•about 5 hours ago
1. Sampling parameter deprecation (temperature, top_p, top_k)

temperature, top_p, and top_k are deprecated and ignored. In future model generations, supplying these parameters returns an HTTP 400 error. Remove these parameters from all requests.