Ask HN: Is there a website that tracks excessive writes to SSDs in OS/app betas?

aamichail about 2 hours ago 18 comments

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If not, why not?

That way, people can choose whether they want to install various software betas based on how much SSD wear they are willing to accept.

And since this data would be made public and available in one place, software developers would be more careful about excessive logging in their betas.

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embedding-shape•about 1 hour ago

I feel like the only responsible thing is to have a home network with at least one persistent device running 24/7 with large storage for local backups of things, and ideally a E2E cloud backup of the same thing. With this, comes the possibility of using things like Grafana+Prometheus to monitor your personal computer/workstation as well. This is what I've done, together with alerts from various things, and since the recent "excessive writes by codex" issue, also alerts if there is obsessive writing over hours long period from any process on my workstation. Luckily I wasn't hit by the Codex issue myself, but certainly made me consider the issue more generally so, happy accidents :)

CharlesW•about 2 hours ago

> If not, why not?

At least on Apple devices, this is not something anyone has to worry about.

For example, on my 2022 Mac Studio daily driver, on 24/7, DriveDx (https://binaryfruit.com/drivedx) reports my SSD lifetime left at 94%.

(I'm aware of the February 2021 "wear-gate" scare involving the first M1 Macs. This turned to be incorrect SSD-wear reporting.)

amichail•about 2 hours ago

What about people who want their laptop to last 10 years?

justthehuman•about 2 hours ago

Then you probably want something that has replaceable parts and not an apple product (e.g. framework)?

Not trying to discourage you from building your thing, but just figure that's worth considering.

Also, I could see why developers would want excessive logging in their betas, so that's kind of a catch-22 (without the verbose logs it might be harder to fix bugs found in the beta)

neya•about 1 hour ago

This advice goes against HN unofficial guidelines: Apple can do no wrong.

ValentineC•about 1 hour ago

For Macs, treat a renewable AppleCare subscription as part of the cost.

JohnFen•about 2 hours ago

You can replace your SSD without replacing your laptop.

amichail•about 2 hours ago

On some laptops, it requires a complete motherboard replacement.

baal80spam•about 1 hour ago

Well if 4 years decrease SSD life by 6%, then 10 years should decrease it by ~15% - so you have plenty of wiggling space.

esseph•about 1 hour ago

Then you probably want enterprise level drives, motherboard, ECC RAM, etc.

tosti•about 1 hour ago

Just configure wear leveling in your storage layer. FDE may be the easiest way ti do it. Writes will be done linearly in circular fashion. That makes it difficult to delete stuff, but with encryption it's moot.

markhahn•about 1 hour ago

why do you think this is a function of betas? or even of OS or app versions?

I guess you've been burned, or are worried about being burned, by some software that generated excessive writes? I think you need to describe that first, since this is a rare phenomenon.

which is probably why there isn't some kind of downdetector infra tracking it.

you know you can access smart counters on any OS, right?

justsomehnguy•about 1 hour ago

If you are not using bottom of a barrel and you are not writing 4K HD 3H mkv every day then you wouldn't have a problem even with a 0.3 DPWD drive of a sufficient capacity.