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colingauvin•23 minutes ago
>DeepMind started developing AlphaFold in 2018. In 2020, it was recognized as a solution to humanity's 50-year-old "protein folding problem," which sought to answer how amino acids automatically fold into complex 3D shapes.

This is not even close to reality. AlphaFold is not a solution to the protein folding problem, it's (useful) pattern matching to the end state of solved folded protein (in situations that can be pattern matched). If this is considered "solving the protein folding problem" then X-ray crystallography solved it first, 75 years ago.

There is essentially zero "how" information coming to us from AlphaFold. This type of reporting is incorrect, and irresponsible to the folks that are still working on that how problem.

chermi•3 minutes ago
Pissed me off since day one that got by with that "solving" shit. Not to downplay what they did, but it had little to do with the problem as it's been understood to mean.

And to be clear I do think it was nobel worthy.

geremiiah•15 minutes ago
Yes and correct me if I'm wrong, but they never did deeper work on dynamics. I think that's very telling.
AntonyGarand•23 minutes ago
To learn more about AlphaFold and its importance, I would recommend the Veritasium video[0]: AlphaFold - The Most Useful Thing AI Has Ever Done

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_fHJIYENdI

jrflo•about 1 hour ago
> DeepMind then launched the AlphaFold Protein Structure Database, giving researchers free access to over 200 million protein structure predictions.

Is this existing database enough for researchers?

geremiiah•17 minutes ago
It's probably because they hit a dead end with their approach in terms of improvements. You can only get so far with trying to model a physical system with an insane number of degrees of freedom from simulation (and augmented) data.
balozi•23 minutes ago
The obvious question to any business leader is "why?" Why deploy resources to a project? Is this project central to our current or future revenue streams? If not, toss it out.
BariumBlue•40 minutes ago
As per the article they're slowly shuttering the project, but I assume AlphaFold itself is still available and usable?

I assume that AlphaFold isn't perfect, but surely after so many years on it most of the useful juice had been squeezed in terms of making it a useful tool?

vicapow•about 1 hour ago
Is there a lot more work to be done?
ChrisArchitect•about 1 hour ago
thaumasiotes•about 1 hour ago
> DeepMind started developing AlphaFold in 2018. In 2020, it was recognized as a solution to humanity's 50-year-old "protein folding problem," which sought to answer how amino acids automatically fold into complex 3D shapes. Those shapes determine the biological role of a protein. Scientists had identified the structures of roughly 170,000 proteins over the past 50 years, using tools and techniques like X-ray and nuclear magnetic resonance. The AlphaFold team took information from those previous work and then fed it to their AI to train AlphaFold.

> In 2021, Nature published the papers with AlphaFold's methodology and the structure predictions of the entire human proteome, or the complete set of proteins expressed by our species. DeepMind then launched the AlphaFold Protein Structure Database, giving researchers free access to over 200 million protein structure predictions.

Why is there no information on corroborations of the predictions? Anyone can make predictions. Surely there must have been teams picking predicted structures out of the database and comparing them to actual molecules?

colingauvin•14 minutes ago
There's plenty of information

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASP

dude250711•28 minutes ago
They realised it's time... Gemini to follow?
Insanity•20 minutes ago
I know you're saying this tongue in cheek. But the reason they're shuttering Alphafold is (likely) to assign those engineers and their expertise to Generative AI initiatives like Gemini.