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armagon6 minutes ago
The most striking incongruity with our modern era to me is that the family was all outside when the blast occurred. With pervasive screens, we just don't get outside like we used to.

And why on earth was that dad mowing when the house was able to take care of it?

srean4 minutes ago
To smell fresh cut grass. It can be quite enjoyable.
thrtythreeforty41 minutes ago
I read this story in 4th grade. It felt like the future. Now, it feels like most of the technology is within reach - at least, it could be built. The automated stove being the main exception.

But the most unrealistic part of this story is how all the IoT automation continues to work in the absence of the Internet.

troyvit24 minutes ago
> But the most unrealistic part of this story is how all the IoT automation continues to work in the absence of the Internet.

It's actually one way this story about the apocalypse is more hopeful than the present day. We don't need the internet to make most of the things in that story work, but in our timeline we'd add it anyway to get and sell those good analytics.

automatic613134 minutes ago
> In the living room the voice-clock sang, Connecting to Brand(tm) servers... Connecting to Brand(tm) servers... Connecting to Brand(tm) servers...
inigyou16 minutes ago
The fridge dispensed a verification can.
chpatrick20 minutes ago
Check out Home Assistant.
cautiouscat35 minutes ago
We're closer to the stove, kind of. At least with things like Tovala. I've never actually met someone with one though.
the__alchemist3 minutes ago
I thought this might have been the one about the lush (but dangerous!) Venusian rainforest!

(In Bradbury's time, we knew Venus was covered in thick clouds, and could only speculate about what might be beneath the clouds. Clouds = rain = lush vegetation?)

mrloopexabout 1 hour ago
Born in 1968 I missed “duck and cover” but rode the wave of Reagan brinkmanship with my skater friends until 1990, watching all the broadcast TV PSAs and songs and art about nuclear war. It was real. It pervaded daily life: the notion that two old white men were having a pissing contest with every human as disposable bargaining chips. And as always, 25% of the US population cheered for purification of the planet because Jesus was coming (see: Hal Lindsay).
pavlovabout 1 hour ago
After the optimism of the 1990s, we're basically back there except now it's three old white men (Netanyahu orchestrated the most recent war to escalate into nuclear threats).

And those American evangelicals are still cheering on the apocalypse, but they're even more entrenched in politics and the judiciary. Some major decisions during the two Trump admins were made entirely based on Rapture accelerationism, e.g. moving the US embassy to Jerusalem to fulfill Biblical prophecy.

inigyou15 minutes ago
And we're still doing nothing to stop any of this.
mrloopex31 minutes ago
The rebuilding of the temple. Yeah that faction is still in power. Blows my mind.
baggy_trough23 minutes ago
"as always, 25% of the US population cheered for purification of the planet because Jesus was coming"

Come now, this is A) not true B) anti-religious bigotry.

BowBun20 minutes ago
His source and claims seem backed up - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Late_Great_Planet_Earth
newAccount20259 minutes ago
Is it? There are lots of wonderful US Christians who believe in kindness and compassion and love. There are also lots of US Christians who are deep into end-times insanity, like Christian Zionists. Perhaps the 25% number is high, but this is a very real thing.
baggy_trough7 minutes ago
I do not disagree that there are some, but 25% is a massive overstatement, not merely "perhaps" high.
mistrial919 minutes ago
how can bigoted comment-material like this get a pass, while references to other groups are strictly enforced?
literalAardvark4 minutes ago
It's factual. With receipts.

What do you find unreasonably hateful in the statement?

r3trohack3rabout 1 hour ago
A rendition of this was aired on X-Minus One

https://archive.org/details/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusO...

nahuel0xabout 2 hours ago
USSR animated version (1984): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oxP3TyuQx0
cautiouscat10 minutes ago
Thanks for sharing. Soviet era animation was creepy in its own right. This adaptation doubly so.
Tade0about 2 hours ago
This clip is what introduced me to this story.

This adaptation is heavily modified, but I think it adds to the whole thing. Soviet artists had an uncanny talent for making everything that's unsettling even more so.

butlikeabout 1 hour ago
Where'd the Turkey dinner come from if it's a nuclear wasteland?

All joking aside; an excellent animation

jhbadgerabout 1 hour ago
I think the idea is that the house had large amounts of storage and freezers that it could use to get ingredients for meals which it then cooked.
purpleflame1257about 1 hour ago
Bradbury actually anticipated this on the Martian side and explicitly calls out frozen dinners.
WillAdamsabout 1 hour ago
One thing which I find striking here is that a modern home and attendant conveniences roughly embodies 10--15 horsepower of effort, or the work of 40 or so full time house staff.

Thus far, the only notable robots are little disks which vacuum up floors (and they're getting outlawed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49104371 ) and some innovations just haven't become widespread (an uncle of mine piped his home for a central vacuum system, compleat w/ a switch at each connection for on/off) --- I really can't recall a device with widespread demand since DVD and then Blueray players (or maybe the Wii? the PS2 counts as a DVD player arguably). I don't know anyone who has done more than read about "Smart Mirrors" for example....

What will be the first device to bottle up AI and other modern technologies in a package and become widely in-demand/distributed?

ern_aveabout 1 hour ago
> What will be the first device to bottle up AI and other modern technologies in a package and become widely in-demand

One problem I see is that corporations insist on collecting and reselling our data. As a result, a lot of people are reticent to get much automation. They seem to accept it with TVs, but other devices - it's just too much of an intrusion.

I say "a lot of people" but I don't know how many people it is, exactly.

There was recently a bit of a controversy with a refrigerator that had a big monitor on the door. That could actually be a cool feature: it could show you what's inside before you open the door. You could access it remotely if you're at the store and trying to remember if you have milk at home. But of course, the company started putting ads on it, and undoubtedly they're selling your data.

dylan60416 minutes ago
> it could show you what's inside before you open the door

I've always thought it would be cool to have transparent doors so you could see inside without needing to open the doors. Obviously, most people do not have "neat" fridge interiors and would be considered ugly and not a good look. But having those cool spy room windows that go frosted or mirrored or some other opaque look with the flip of a switch could solve that. Which tech is less expensive: dimming glass or cameras and monitors?

inigyou13 minutes ago
It would necessarily let heat leak in
physPopabout 1 hour ago
HN crowd is not representative of the world at large. consumers don't care. cost and convenience are primary motivators.
mlhpdx44 minutes ago
As far as I can tell, many “regular” people do care and alter buying decisions based on privacy concerns. They use words like “creepy” instead of technical ones, but the underlying discomfort is the same.
troupoabout 1 hour ago
Onve again it's been shown that consumers do care when they are properly shown the extent of data collection and/or are allowed to opt out.

E.g. when iOS introduced "ask apps to not track", 96% of users clicked "do not track": https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

If consumers didn't care, companies wouldn't go to extreme lengths to hide the fact that they are tracking you, and to invent craxier and crazier dark patterns to trick you into giving up your data.

closeparen24 minutes ago
A screen with an ad on it is objectionable enough, even if the ad is untargeted.
bombcar36 minutes ago
We don't build robots because the "hard/boring part" for the human is often NOT the hard part for the robot.

Take the dishwasher, for example, loading it is very hard for a robot, but easy and quick for a human. Washing the dishes is boring for the human, but a robot gets a sort of sick and twisted pleasure from cycling that dirty water around for hours on end.

In fact, we've removed some labor-saving features of houses (laundry chutes went away decades ago, and only recently has "laundry on the bedroom floor" become somewhat standard) for "safety".

MAKE DUMBWAITERS GREAT AGAIN

dubbel21 minutes ago
The thing I stumbled over was that the house owner was out mowing the lawn, something that we actually do have robots for nowadays. But then again, I do enjoy a good, meditative lawn mowing.
Multicompabout 1 hour ago
Only new models of robots are banned, FCC approval of previous devices still stands and therefore we can continue to purchase those models. They will just get additionally out of date.

> However, the US ban only covers new advanced robot models, not existing products that have already received FCC equipment authorization for sale in the US. The "action does not impact a consumer’s continued use of devices they previously acquired," the FCC says. "Nor does it prevent retailers from continuing to sell, import, or market relevant models approved previously.”

throwawayffffasabout 1 hour ago
https://www.weaverobotics.com/

And Toyota robotics has been trying to solve loading dishwashers for at least 7 years.

And that's all the housework required really, vacuuming, mopping, dishwasher un/loading, picking random stuff off the floor, dusting is another minor thing to have done.

The vast majority of labor has already been solved with dishwashers and washing machines and dryers, electric ovens and stoves.

inigyou9 minutes ago
Loading dishwashers has been solved. Instead of moving the dishes from the storage place to the cleaning place, you just make them both the same place.
WillAdams7 minutes ago
I do know at least one couple who have two dishwashers and just alternate which is being used for loading dirty dishes and which is being accessed for clean.
inigyou14 minutes ago
Amazon Alexa. You're a decade late.
WillAdams9 minutes ago
Fair point.

I find the presence of a microphone sufficiently creepy that that was a non-starter for me, and I didn't pay attention after the initial launch.

intrasightabout 1 hour ago
It'll be a US or Japanese or South Korean robot since it's not allowed to come from China.

I'd be in favor of Apple entering that market.

I think they'll be a huge first-mover advantage because of the Chinese blockade preventing cheap clones.

schnitzelstoatabout 1 hour ago
Roomba made some of the first robotic vacuum cleaners and they were based in the US.

Nowadays, they are just more expensive and inferior to the Roborock ones though. But thanks to the wonder of protectionism soon the customer won't be able to pick the better product.

intrasightabout 1 hour ago
What's "better" for the individual is not necessarily better for the society.

Also I think a better policy than blocking Chinese imports (which is probably not sustainable anyway) would be to require that the software be audited and comply with regulations. Same rules and regulations should apply to robots from all countries.

ajmurmann25 minutes ago
Sorry, in the US it's, AFAIK, now not allowed to come from anywhere but the US: https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/fcc-bans-future-roomba...

The admin seems to have a tendency to fearmonger over China and then ban or tariff globally. Allies don't exist apparently.

bigfishrunningabout 1 hour ago
the real problem with household robots is that they are either flimsy toys or dangerous machines, and there's not much in-between. If we were to build a humanoid robot that would just put laundry away (as described in a HN article a few weeks ago), it would need to be strong enough to lift a laundry basket, have advanced control systems to go up and down stairs, and also be safe/reliable/trusted enough not to hurt people or damage property. We can do these things (modulo the trust, probably) but the confluence of all of it gets very expensive very quickly.

People want Rosie from the Jetsons, but the compute power required would be astronomical, the mechanical systems would need maintenance, and there would be real safety concerns.

With LLMs, we've got the wisecracking figured out...

throwawayffffasabout 1 hour ago
It's not expensive, it's an unsolved problem, the main issue for many years has been the modeling of cloth behavior. They already have a folding robot that means they have solved a significant chunk of it.

But the generalization of behaviors is also a large problem. Pick and place is mostly solved I believe, but translating your housework to pick and place in your apartment is still a bit off.

zimzam37 minutes ago
I'm not convinced safety is solved: given how often LLM's hallucinate and automated cars get confused, what happens when something unusual happens and the robot thinks a person's arm needs to be "folded" and breaks it? Or a person's clothing looks like the wall and a robot tries to move their arm through a person's chest?

Sure, for each individual situation one can imagine a safeguard but being in close proximity to unpredictable humans means there are unlimited edge cases... if a humanoid robot is strong enough to do something useful it is also strong enough to be dangerous.

tetris11about 2 hours ago

    Eternal rains will come  
    We should say goodbye   
    And suffer on our own  
    As all our thoughts were wrong
jrsdav7 minutes ago
"There will come soft rains and the smell of the ground, And swallows circling with their shimmering sound;

And frogs in the pools singing at night, And wild plum trees in tremulous white,

Robins will wear their feathery fire Whistling their whims on a low fence-wire;

And not one will know of the war, not one Will care at last when it is done.

Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree If mankind perished utterly;

And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn, Would scarcely know that we were gone."

- Sara Teasdale, 1918

Didn't see the inspiration for Bradbury mentioned here. I love this poem. There's also a great song-rendition of it by The Three D's, a folk group popular in the 50's.

JshWrightabout 1 hour ago
I accidentally started a reread of Octiva Butler's Parable of the Sower in late 2024 (I'd read it many years ago, but forgot the timeline). It was eerie...
Tade0about 1 hour ago
I feel like the modern version of this would have the neighbourhood largely intact, but humans killed via miniature drones.

Drives home the point how few anticipated that batteries would advance so much.

ben_w10 minutes ago
There are many ways this could all end, a nuclear war is still on the list.

"Wireheaded by social media so hard you're unemployable" is at least as plausible as a city-scale antipersonel drone strike; even Ukraine's strikes against Russia are around 1200-1800/day.

inigyou3 minutes ago
Why don't they strike Vlad with one of them?
Denote6737about 1 hour ago
you say that like trump wasn't stopped from launching nukes at iran by one of his military advisors.
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1970-01-015 minutes ago
Fun to witness all the things it got right, which we can now remark wasn't close at all. The dystopian robotic future exists somewhere in a Chinese factory if anywhere at all.
peesemabout 3 hours ago
already posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49162653 which is itself a dupe but that was the first one posted today
graysnow86about 3 hours ago
this version seems to be missing large sections compared to the other posted version, like how the mice throughly clean up the debris after the dog's entrance, the dog smelling food through the kitchen door and scratching at it, etc etc
dfansteelabout 3 hours ago
The original was published as a one page story. It was later reprinted in a longer format.
spmealinabout 1 hour ago
One of my favorite versions is read by Nimoy. https://web.archive.org/web/20200615075956/https://www.youtu...
purpleflame1257about 1 hour ago
It's interesting to look at the short a story and see where we are still behind on home automation. We still don't have robot firefighting or accurate robot cooking, for example.
arm3239 minutes ago
Can't wait for all the inductive backdoors that will appear today thanks to this, LOL!
CTDOCodebasesabout 2 hours ago
I liked Ray Bradbury's thoughts on the internet when it first came into existence
jhbadgerabout 1 hour ago
He also had interesting ideas on shopping malls of all things, hoping that they could turn into places where people would socialize besides shopping and that they should have a maze-like layout so that people could get what he called "enjoyably lost" the way people can exploring cities. The since-closed Horton Plaza mall in San Diego had an odd layout and the architect even claimed inspiration from Bradbury for it.
devkit1about 1 hour ago
diseasedyakabout 1 hour ago
I'm glad our homes aren't shrieking at us at all hours.

Amazing story, though.

katzgrauabout 2 hours ago
No nuclear apocalypse yet.

Nice.

butlikeabout 1 hour ago
Maybe it happened while we were sleeping and this is just some radioactive psychedelic dream
none2585about 2 hours ago
The day is young!
darkwaterabout 1 hour ago
It happened the day before, since children were still playing. We are safe.
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jake_and_fatmanabout 1 hour ago
Growing up, I hated this guy. Boring! Now, I can recognize writing talent.
taybinabout 2 hours ago
I love Ray Bradbury. My favorite short story author.
ngvrndabout 2 hours ago
So is The Pedestrian...
Jtsummersabout 2 hours ago
> So is The Pedestrian...

It's set in November, not August, and another 27 years further in the future (at least the version currently linked to on the front page).

mbernsteinabout 2 hours ago
Nature won't know or care if humanity erases itself.
nahuel0xabout 1 hour ago
As far as we know life is only present on Earth, we presuppose that in the vastness of Cosmos there are other instances of it or that it can re-emerge from almost zero, but the reality is that we simply don't know. So maybe there is a possibility that wiping out all the life on Earth also wipes it from the entire Cosmos, forever.
pfdietzabout 1 hour ago
Or perhaps the comment you were responding to was asserting "knowing" or "caring" is not something Nature can do.
the_af4 minutes ago
The comment was paraphrasing the message of the poem "There Will Come Soft Rains" (which Bradbury used for the title of his story), which is exactly about this: that Nature won't know or care when we're gone.
nahuel0xabout 1 hour ago
I care and I'm part of Nature.
worksonmine43 minutes ago
"Humanity" is far from "all the life on Earth". Nature will be better off once it happens.
the_af5 minutes ago
> Nature won't know or care if humanity erases itself.

You got downvoted for paraphrasing the poem "There Will Come Soft Rains", from which Bradbury took the title of his story.

I supposed that's to be expected online. Small consolation, but at least some of us understood you :)

  And not one will know of the war, not one
  Will care at last when it is done.

  Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree
  If mankind perished utterly;

  And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn,
  Would scarcely know that we were gone.