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thex10about 3 hours ago
I am glad they’re screening for it. I was born to someone who had the virus, but didn’t know I had Hep C myself until I submitted myself to an exceptionally thorough STI testing panel. I say exceptional, because the standard ones I’d done throughout college and early adulthood do not happen to include that particular test. So I feel a bit lucky to have been able to get diagnosed and treated in my mid-20s, before the disease could do much damage.
nlyabout 2 hours ago
That's odd. I just looked at what I thought was a pretty standard piss and blood STI test results of my own, and it covered:

- Syphilis

- Hep B

- Hep C

- HIV 1 and 2 and P24

- Chlamydia

- Gonorrhoea

paulmist36 minutes ago
In Europe I don't think it's commonly done. For example, the standard Dutch MSM STI test [1] covers HIV, Syphilis, Chlamydia, and Gonorrhoea only while Trichomoniasis, HPV 2 and Herpes are rather common. That being said, it's freely available at most hospitals.

[1] https://www.mantotman.nl/

thex10about 2 hours ago
I forgot to mention my experience was in the northeastern USA in the 2000s-2010s. I’m happy you got a better standard of care than I did!
Aurornisabout 2 hours ago
Hep C screening at least once for adults >= 18 is recommended and considered standard of care in the United States. I checked my medical records and I have a negative Hep C result in an old checkup when I was younger, and another one from a new provider who insisted on a big panel of standard testing for new patients (despite me having no risk factors).

It’s unfortunate that your early providers dropped the ball. I wonder if they assumed you had already been tested for some reason?

nlyabout 2 hours ago
Ah OK, this was in London
geophileabout 2 hours ago
Meanwhile, the USA is bringing back measles, mumps, rubella, Hep B, and lots of intestinal parasites. Back to the Future! MAGA!
__MatrixMan__about 1 hour ago
This planet had always belonged to the fungi and the bacteria, the viruses and the protists.

It wasn't until the trump administration that I started to suspect that they're actively tampering with human politics.

boplicity43 minutes ago
Plus, they're trying to jail someone who, apparently, was focused on making the correct scientific choices for the covid vaccine during the peak of the pandemic.

The lead Fox News "article" plainly stated that the COVID shots cause an 87% miscarriage rate.

This has nothing to do with reality -- and they absolutely do not care about fighting "fair."

1234letshaveatw5 minutes ago
Yeah, we would all be better off pretending Fauci didn't know about the miscarriage rate. Oh and that he had no knowledge of the COVID origins
GlibMonkeyDeathabout 2 hours ago
America: hold my syringe...
ge96about 1 hour ago
and screw worms
Aurornisabout 2 hours ago
Strangely, anti-vax sentiment is surging in a lot of countries. Canada has higher rates of vaccine rejection than the United States in some categories, as one example.

It’s a strange global phenomenon and I don’t think there is one single root cause. MAGA/MAHA definitely jumped on to the anti-vax train as it became popular, but many forget that Trump presided over the rushing of the COVID vaccine into availability and production. He hasn’t done vaccination any favors in recent years, but I’m skeptical that the widespread rise of vaccine skepticism can be attributable to this administration alone.

I think there’s a bigger story about the cyclical nature of how the dangers of threats that previous generations faced is slowly lost over time, combined with the rise of contrarianism and conspiratorial thinking on social media.

simonwabout 1 hour ago
Given the amount of cultural influence the USA has and the universal nature of the internet it seems likely to me that global anti-vax sentiment could have started with the USA.
Aurornisabout 1 hour ago
The pivotal paper that tried to link vaccines to autism came out of the UK and was published in The Lancet.

Assuming that the US was the root of the current surge of anti-vax idealism is not supported by the facts.

biophysboy3 minutes ago
They are not the progenitors of the skepticism, but they gave the skeptics significantly more authority than they previously had. Over surveillance networks, vaccine scheduling, public health comms, etc. MAGA sees them as useful idiots for the coalition, rather than threats to the US.
renegade-otterabout 1 hour ago
Anti-vaxxing goes back literally centuries, but the internet definitely made it a THING.
crabette39 minutes ago
I would blame the "social" media, on the old internet they had barely any visibility.

Now that we have the blame let's talk about the punishment.

somenameformeabout 1 hour ago
Here [1] is a montage of some of the public messaging around the COVID vaccines. [1] It was quite simply dishonest. That, paired alongside the effort to force people to take the shots, completely destroyed public trust on a level that will take many decades to repair. Generalized vaccine skepticism follows naturally from that.

I'm certainly a part of that group. For instance I ended up doing extensive research on e.g. MMR before deciding to vaccinate my kids for it. If this were a decade ago, I almost certainly would have done it without a second thought, just as I took all recommended vaccines before traveling without a second thought. So I'm obviously not anti-vaccine in the least, but I no longer trust public messaging on the topic.

It was just another (of the increasingly endless) examples of governments/companies pursuing short-term interests while ignoring long-term consequences. When it comes to what people put in their bodies, trust is more important than literally anything else.

[1] - https://xcancel.com/ITGuy1959/status/1581034815700488192

biophysboy6 minutes ago
Why is it bad for a public health communicator to say that vaccines stop spread by lowering the effective reproduction number of a pathogen? Its correct. Your extensive research didn't seem to work.
GrinningFool39 minutes ago
But this has been building for years ahead of COVID. COVID just gave people something to latch on to. And in spite of COVID vaccine issues, the latest numbers i saw suggest around 80% of people still support standard childhood vaccinations.
its_ethanabout 1 hour ago
I am very prepared to get downvoted for bringing this up - but I'm not convinced that the "anti-vax movement" most people think of is truly to blame (that is, crazy people who think it gives you autism or whatever).

At least in my area, there are pockets of (relatively) new immigrants that have MMR vaccination rates at around 30% (that's very low, much lower than the anti-vaxxer population could account for imo), and the reasons for that have nothing to do with MAGA/MAHA as far as I can tell.

It's an entirely different problem (that needs solving), and pretending that this is simply the by-product of uneducated crazies on the internet feels like it's over indexing on a loud and flashy but ultimately small part of the problem.

ChrisLTD23 minutes ago
Would you say that the government telling those people that they should be afraid of vaccines will help or hurt in this case?
pacijaabout 1 hour ago
Contemporary pharmaceutical companies, as well as contemporary government and private health institutions are my enemy. I would rather die than live using their products and services.

When more ethical entities take over their business I will gladly start using them once again, as I did back in the day before they turned evil.

sterlindabout 1 hour ago
interesting. so if you get a bacterial infection, you plan to succumb to it rather than take antibiotics?
anonymarsabout 1 hour ago
When did that particular switch flip?
bluedino37 minutes ago
People were refusing the measles vaccine back in 2000
gaddersabout 1 hour ago
Yes, the debacle around the COVID vaccine really ruined credibility for a lot of vaccines.
phillc7322 minutes ago
Not sure why the parent was downvoted, because I think it nails the current sentiment.

For some people the COVID vaccine(s) were rushed to market, with limited clinical trials, intended to vaccinate the entire adult population, with limited data as to their immediate effectiveness and with no data about long term effects. You can debate whether the above points are valid or not, but for some people they certainly raised a safety flag.

I completely agree that the vaccine scepticism around the COVID vaccines is now carrying over into other, well tested, well understood and very, very beneficial vaccines.

gadders17 minutes ago
Yeah. People are lumping all vaccines together in an attempt to boost the credibility of the COVID vaccine. Unfortunately what it is actually doing is ruining the credibility of all the other vaccines that have been around for years and are well understood.
MoltenManabout 2 hours ago
I'm not a trump fan, but the antivax train has nothing to do with him. (Evidence: Canada is doing even worse then us when it comes to measles). If we want to fix this problem (we do), the first step is to recognize the actual problem, not to play the blame game on whichever politician you currently don't like!
nemomarxabout 2 hours ago
You don't think RFK has anything to do with it?
freediddy13 minutes ago
RFK has publicly come out and encouraged parents to get vaccinated for measles. I don't know why you are spreading disinformation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/article/rfk-jr-says-pare...

MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
The reason there are measles cases is because a decent percentage of people aren't getting vaccinated anymore. If all of the cases were 2 year olds or younger (when RFK was put in charge) then possibly. But not only are they older (https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html), this is also happening in Canada. I don't see how it could possibly be RFK's fault.
undersuit28 minutes ago
He knows he can't push his base too hard on certain things. He probably knows this about vaccines, he lauds Operation Warp Speed but as a win of his not a vaccine that could have saved millions more with his cooperation. He chooses his power over what's best for all of us. He's the leader of the antivax train by choice.
dofmabout 2 hours ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/10/trump-vaccin...

"The order recommends that all shots be given at separate medical visits, a frequent point Trump has made despite the safety, ease and lower costs of giving vaccines together."

'“Together, there could be a possibility they’re quite lethal,” Trump said of the MMR vaccine at the signing of the order on Monday.'

'Asked if he had evidence that the combined MMR vaccine was “lethal”, Trump said: “No. What I’ve heard is that there are some people who say it is that way.”'

Antivax fundamentally has its contemporary roots in Andrew Wakefield's fraudulent anti-MMR campaign.

So directing by executive order and by his own admission without evidence that the MMR vaccine be split up into separate shots is, very clearly, an antivax action. This is the first victory that Wakefield (a man who had a patent on a single measles vaccine!) wanted, and RFK Jr was pursuing.

But this is Trump saying this and signing it. So as of yesterday, it now has everything to do with Trump, sorry. He has handed the anti-MMR movement its ultimate victory and in so doing validated the entire antivax worldview.

MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
See my other responses. Obviously this is bad. But the current measles outbreak is a symptom of a problem that's been happening over the last 1 or 2 decades. It literally CANNOT be caused by this, neither in the US or Canada.

It's still not too late for anyone who is unvaccinated to get the vaccine! Hopefully the next administration undoes this change, but the really important part is managing to shrink the anti-vax movement (which, if you look at the data in my other comments, you can see has been a problem since before Trump).

vereloabout 2 hours ago
"Evidence" requires citations.
MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
US: https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

Canada: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/measles-rubella/archive/20...

They have 10% our population and had twice the cases last year (admittedly, we're starting to catch up). But the truth is that there are huge lag times when it comes to measles / antivax. This is a symptom of a problem that started 10-20 years ago.

kube-systemabout 2 hours ago
He is amplifying the issue, but you're right, Trump is a symptom of the underlying problem. The problem is that internet gave these idiots a platform to mislead people.

Back in the early 90s this wasn't much of a problem. Childhood vaccine requirements weren't some hot-button topic then. Most people would just get them when faced with the requirement. Most opposition was isolated to people who were otherwise contrarians already.

The difference now is that the internet is full of these isolated contrarians who are now influencing gullible people who don't know who to trust.

MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
Completely agree! I will add though: this is a symptom of a problem that started 10-20 years ago. There's a lot of lag time between parents not giving their babies vaccines and outbreaks actually happening. You can see ages here.(https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html) 5 and under are only 20% of cases.
diroussel38 minutes ago
Are you blaming communication technology?
NamlchakKhandroabout 1 hour ago
Do you think it's also helpful that they see these things being pushed "for profit)
fridderabout 2 hours ago
You are willfully deluding yourself if you believe that. He put an anti-vax idiot as head of HHS. How is that "nothing"?
kube-systemabout 1 hour ago
He was appointed and holds those views because these ideas are now popular... not the other way around.
MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
See my other responses. Do you really think RFK could possibly have had an effect on vaccinations over the last 2 decades in the US OR Canada?

Since you seem very emotionally opposed to Trump and his administration: I also don't like Trump or RFK! However, to solve a problem, you have to find the root cause of the problem, and pointing at the most recent politician you hate will never help anyone.

tremon22 minutes ago
"has nothing to do with it" is not the same as "is not the cause of". Trump and antivax definitely are related as both come from the same public strategy that spreads misinformation, polarizes discourse and weaponizes stupidity.
geophileabout 2 hours ago
It has a lot to do with him. He doesn't actually have an opinion on any policy issue. For various political reasons, Trump decided to let RFK dictate public health policy according to his extremely delusional ideas. Yes, there was an antivax movement in this country for many years, just as there has been misogyny, racism, and transphobia. Trump has normalized and supercharged all of these moronic and dangerous ideas.

I have not been following measles in Canada, so I can't address that.

MoltenManabout 1 hour ago
See my other comments; it is not possible for RFK to have had any effect on this outbreak. If everyone getting measles was 2 or under, it could be possible; they aren't.

The reason I bring up Canada is as counterevidence; if it was Trump or RFK'S fault, Canada should be doing just fine. They had twice the cases last year in 1/10 the population. The truth is this is a problem with people believing stupid things, and it's going to take a lot more than Trump going out of office to fix.

exe34about 1 hour ago
Putting an anti-vax conspiracy theorist in charge of health is not the way to do it.
basiswordabout 2 hours ago
>> Canada is doing even worse then us when it comes to measles

Not in Canada but unfortunately US nonsense spreads globally pretty quickly these days. The amount of Trump support in the UK is both bizarre and surprising. When someone with the worlds largest megaphone lies about vaccines, unfortunately people everywhere listen.

mexicocitinluezabout 1 hour ago
Right, because tapping one of the world's biggest vaccine truthers to run the Department of HHS and then proceed to link autism with vaccines and change the recommended MMR vaccine scheduling for children has absolutely no impact on anyone.

I can't help but feel this is ragebait or a bot.

scytheabout 2 hours ago
>I'm not a trump fan, but the antivax train has nothing to do with him.

Well not nothing. But it predates him and he adopted the movement early in his political career. When I was in high school (2004-8) antivax sentiment was generally associated with liberal Democrats in places like Marin County. This was a favorite retort of conservatives when confronted with their own backwardness on scientific understanding of evolution and climate change. In 2015 Trump began courting the anti-vaccine crowd and the political valence of that flavor of woo-woo nonsense flipped seemingly overnight. It was surreal to see it happen in real time. By 2020 he had lost control of the monster he helped create and the crowd booed him when he said they should get the Covid vaccine.

basiswordabout 2 hours ago
He was literally spreading FUD about vaccines today. And the measles stuff has got so bad RFK had to mildy backtrack on his previous antivax statements in recent interviews.

From today:

Both Trump and Kennedy made repeated mentions of autism throughout the order signing, emphasizing a scientifically unproven link between vaccines and the condition. Dozens of studies show no link between the two.

“Today we’re proud to officially announce the United States of America’s gold standard childhood vaccination recommendations. That has to do with many subjects including autism in particular,” Trump said at the beginning of the order signing.

“I’ve seen proof of it, where they have a vaccination where it looks like the size of a bottle of soda, poured into a little child’s body and bad things happen in too many cases,” Trump later said on breaking up each shot into an individual medical visit, before adding: “This is an explosion, it’s an epidemic,” in an apparent reference to autism.

BLKNSLVRabout 2 hours ago
Trump is trying to hang Fauci. That goes in the completely opposite direction of promoting the trust of medical institutions in general society, and it's trust that will get people back to vaccinating themselves and their children.
alistairSHabout 3 hours ago
Interesting that it's just England (and not Scotland, Wales, or NI). I realize they all have independent NHSs, but still would assume a program like this would rolled out across all the constituent countries.
amiga386about 3 hours ago
Each nation has different social and health issues, each nation makes its own plan.

All four nations NHSes work with a single charity, the Hep C Trust.

They're all following the WHO targets for elimination -- you're hearing about this now soon after World Hepatitis Day (July 28th, as conceived of by the WHO).

https://www.hepctrust.org.uk/blog/2026/07/four-nations-on-th...

As for progress:

- July 2026: Wales doesn't have percentage-of-population counts but here's its latest report: https://phw.nhs.wales/reports/trends-in-the-prevention-diagn...

- November 2025: Scotland believes it has identified and is treating 85% of chronic sufferers: https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/surveillance-...

- January 2021: Northern Ireland doesn't publish stats, but has a 2021-2025 plan (there's no 2026- plan issued as far as I know) https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/publications/northern-ireland-h...

alibarberabout 3 hours ago
I wouldn't have assumed this really because really the whole point of devolution is that they get to choose what to prioritise, so perhaps the other nations choose to do something they consider to be more pressing for their populations.
actionfromafarabout 3 hours ago
Yeah... but there aren't any borders really.
alibarberabout 3 hours ago
Indeed but there are still different decision makers and sets of voters electing them.
FartyMcFarterabout 3 hours ago
I don't know if borders matter much in this case. It's approximately just as easy to travel to England from many other countries as it is to travel to England from the rest of the UK.
beejiuabout 3 hours ago
Each country also has their own Public Health bodies, so pretty much everything related to health is devolved
alistairSHabout 2 hours ago
Yes, that's what I said - each is named "NHS [country]" (National Health Service [England | Scotland | etc]).
beejiuabout 1 hour ago
Splitting hairs, but the public health bodies are separate from the National Health Services (so there exists Public Health England _and_ NHS England). Public health is slightly different to healthcare, but of course they work together.

Oddly, Public Health Scotland is part of NHS Scotland; but Public Health England is not part of NHS England, it's a parallel department.

lebuffonabout 2 hours ago
Makes me wonder if this project is the reason for a slight downturn in Liver cancer from 2019 forward in the UK.

https://crukcancerintelligence.shinyapps.io/CancerStatsDataH...

renegade-otterabout 3 hours ago
Good for you. We get explosive diarrhea as the prize in the States. Wanna trade?
noir_lordabout 3 hours ago
Nah we are good - We have our problems (including our own version of your guy but he hasn't won yet and is currently running against a man with a bin on his head) but on the whole, nah we are good.
sizzzzlerzabout 2 hours ago
Well, then, we can offer you measles, instead. How's that? We're also working on bringing back polio and smallpox. Think of it as our contribution to FREEDOM!
tialaramexabout 2 hours ago
Farage isn't quite the same and of course the situation is rather different.

The three jobs are divided up differently, though still between too few people. You have a Figurehead, the Head of State, which here is King Charles and in the US is Donald Trump. That's the part Trump most likes, you get free gold stuff, you're allowed to do whatever you please, everybody is supposed to suck up to you, hooray. Farage would not get that job.

Next you've got Executive leader. Trump doesn't enjoy this as much. People keep trying to blame him for the fact he's bad at it. He appointed people he saw on TV to run things, how is it his fault they're not brilliant? This would be half of Farage's job as Prime Minister and he likes being asked to account for his incompetence even less than Trump.

Finally Head of the Legislature, in the US this isn't Trump's job, Mike Johnson is in the House and John Thune in the Senate. Farage would get this job in full as the Prime Minister. Even before he resigned he was rarely actually in Westminster, it's boring and you need to be good at actual politics, so of course he's not there, he gets paid more to be somewhere else.

I also don't think Nigel can put together the numbers. Trump has Mike and John to try to make the numbers work, and Farage wouldn't have that. "My way or the highway" is what Farage would say, and that doesn't make the numbers work. That's how you lose a Confidence motion and you're back on your arse in six weeks.

[Edited to correct the Senate leader, mistake pointed out by ragnese below]

ragneseabout 2 hours ago
Good explanation. Just one correction: John Thune is the Senate majority leader (so, the "head" of the Senate). Steve Scalise is in the House and he's the head of the Republican party in the House, whereas Mike Johnson (who is also a Republican) is the House majority leader (so the head of the whole House, not just his party).

So, it's Mike Johnson for the House and John Thune for the Senate.

crabette36 minutes ago
I'm quite sure you can cure then with Paracetamol /s
GuB-4235 minutes ago
I guess someone complained about memory safety and they intend to rewrite hepatitis in Rust.

Not everything has to be rewritten in Rust! Hepatitis is a virus, C is much better suited for that kind of project, Rust is for fungal diseases, not viruses.

pyuser583about 1 hour ago
For a second, I thought Hepatitis C was some 1980s C dialect that had memory safety issues.
buildsjetsabout 1 hour ago
You're thinking of Objective Chlamydia, I believe.
AdmiralAsshatabout 1 hour ago
Introducing: Hepatitis C++
b800habout 2 hours ago
We eliminated TB too. Then it came back.
Theodoresabout 2 hours ago
TB?

Trigger me, thought you meant Tony Blair for a minute!

ghastmasterabout 2 hours ago
Second paraggraph:

> The target of treating 80% of all known cases has already been met, and deaths from the virus have fallen by 36% in the last decade, just short of what is needed by 2030.

What is needed by 2030? There is no mention prior to this statement.

Later:

> NHS England says that since 2015, more than 100,000 people have been diagnosed and treated for hepatitis C, meaning the country is already meeting that target.

Again, what target are we talking about??

Much later:

> Prof Frankie Swords, NHS national medical director, added: "England is now leading the world in the mission to eliminate this disease and on course to beat the WHO's 2030 target, but we are determined to keep up the momentum and finish the job.

Finally a target!

FUCK AI

veltasabout 2 hours ago
This isn't written by AI, this is just how BBC news articles are written. I find it frustrating too.
ghastmasterabout 2 hours ago
I think you are partially correct. They trained AI on their articles to produce the same style articles. I am not a large consumer of BBC articles. This style of snippet after snippet is annoying. Perhaps that is why I am not a large consumer of BBC articles.

> Style Assist helps BBC journalists quickly adapt trusted content into BBC News house style, speeding up the publication of high-quality local stories. It uses a BBC-trained AI model to generate a draft, which is always reviewed and edited by journalists before publication. This helps save time while maintaining accuracy, tone and editorial standards. Find out more in an article from Rhodri Talfan Davies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/reports/policies/what-were...

M2Ys4Uabout 2 hours ago
Style Assist is mainly for articles written by journalists that are employed by third-party news organisations (who own the UK's local news outlets) but are subsidised by the BBC - these people are "local democracy reporters".

LDRS articles are made free to everyone in the scheme (including the BBC), but because the content is written primarily for their home news org the articles that end up being published by the BBC need to be modified to comply with the BBC's editorial guidelines and for style reasons.

Hence, Style Assist.

boplicity38 minutes ago
Instead of not including the target, AI would have confidently stated some incorrect number.
pyuser583about 1 hour ago
Wait is England a country or nation?
esskayabout 1 hour ago
Yes.

(Seriously you couldn't google that?)

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jmclnxabout 3 hours ago
Good news for England.

Thanks to RFKjr and friends, we know what country will be one of the last to do so. Or even worse, the US could end up being a reservoir for HepC.

stevenwooabout 3 hours ago
My reading of the article was aggressive response by single payer healthcare (i.e. NHS) is responsible so that would be almost impossible politically in USA as long as senate exists on top of non scientific medical authorities.
renegade-otterabout 3 hours ago
The Senate? He just issued an executive order overriding all science. It's a total farce at this point.
stevenwooabout 3 hours ago
That's true, I was recollecting when we had somewhat ordinary politics in USA and Affordable Care Act passed when Democrats had majority in Senate but making it single payer was stopped by purported Democrat Joe Leiberman.
moralestapiaabout 3 hours ago
Care to elaborate?

What has RFK Jr specifically said for/against HepC?

JSR_FDEDabout 2 hours ago
I think the OP is extrapolating from the rise in measles cases under RFK Jr’s expert leadership
moralestapiaabout 2 hours ago
Let OP explain xirself.
jmclnxabout 2 hours ago
Trump just issued an order reducing childhood vaccines, plus there is a Hep C vaccine which is being ignored by the CDC. Never mind the resurgence of many childhood diseases thanks to RFK jr and Trump.

I do not know why some people think the current US regime will follow England with all evidence pointing to doing the exact opposite.

Denatoniumabout 3 hours ago
Honestly, Mehmet Oz deserves more of the blame here. He and the other people who are fighting to make healthcare expensive and inaccessible create situations where people aren't being diagnosed and cured of Hep C, which leaves them passing the infection to others through sexual contact, sharing needles, etc.

RFK Jr. is an anti-vax crackpot, but Hep C isn't vaccine-preventable. On the other hand, we can absolutely blame RFK Jr. for our rising Hep A, B, and D rates.

Cockbrandabout 3 hours ago
So will it be replaced by Hepatitis Rust for memory safety? (I'm sorry, and I'll see myself out, thanks)
ericcholisabout 3 hours ago
Take your upvote...not happy about it....but here
ck2about 3 hours ago
How can there not be a single sentence in that article HOW IS IT TREATED

If it requires a vaccine you can be sure HEP C will be kept alive and well via MAHA in the US

okay here is a much better article

* https://www.england.nhs.uk/2026/08/100000-people-receive-tre...

> "Treatment involves a free course of antiviral tablets lasting 8 to 12 weeks, which cures more than 95% of cases."

must be nice to have a government that actually cares about its citizens health, we're still waiting DECADES for that Republican health care plan (other than "just die quietly")

alanningabout 2 hours ago
Not sure if they edited the article after you read it but this is the 3rd paragraph now:

“Taking antiviral tablets for 8 to 12 weeks can cure more than 95% of cases.”

s0rceabout 2 hours ago
You take antivirals orally. There is no vaccine that I'm aware of. I got Hep C from a blood transfusion in the 80s and waited decades without symptoms for modern antivirals before finally getting treated.
simoncion25 minutes ago
> I got Hep C from a blood transfusion in the 80s...

Same here! I had one symptom -intermittent somewhat abnormal liver enzyme results- that was very easy to explain away with the fact that I'm nearly always somewhat dehydrated because I have trouble forcing myself to drink enough water. I had to run into a doc who was in the habit of running the test "just in case" because she had seen a ton of Hep C cases before the culprit was discovered.

Honestly, I'm really glad I didn't get diagnosed much earlier than I did... it's my understanding that interferon treatment is really awful to go through and has like a 50% success rate for Hep C infections. When I got diagnosed Harvoni was quite new, but it worked on the strain I had, and there were absolutely no side effects that I noticed. Its list price was shockingly expensive (something like 150k USD) but that's way cheaper than a new liver and -as is often the case with these sorts of things- financial "wizardry" meant that I paid like 5 USD.

iLoveOncallabout 3 hours ago
Literally nothing in the article points to it being eliminated, only reaching a target of diagnosing 90% of the cases, which doesn't do anything to eliminate it when a large number of cases comes from drug users which are unlikely to care very much about it.
vlovich123about 3 hours ago
> The target of treating 80% of all known cases has already been met, and deaths from the virus have fallen by 36% in the last decade, just short of what is needed by 2030. Taking antiviral tablets for 8 to 12 weeks can cure more than 95% of cases.

So indeed diagnosing the cases is leading directly to deaths prevented.

shevy-javaabout 3 hours ago
> So indeed diagnosing the cases is leading directly to deaths prevented.

This is not what the title claims. The title claims that hepatitis C is to be eliminated, aka 0%. This is not possible; anyone with a basic 101 virology knows why. BBC lies here via the title.

noelwelshabout 2 hours ago
You seem to think there is some kind of conspiracy at play. The BBC is simply using the terminology used by the professionals who deal with this.
lbrinerabout 3 hours ago
Elimination doesn't mean there are no incidences of it, it means no new cases diagnosed in England. This is a result of reducing the cases so much that the chance of catching it drops to virtually zero. Drug users have a range of cleaner alternatives today than 10 years ago so is less of an issue but also if very few people have it, the chance of a drug user sharing a needle with someone who has becomes very small indeed.
shevy-javaabout 3 hours ago
Elimination means 0%. If BBC wants to convey something else, they should use other statements. The title insinuates this.

> Drug users have a range of

The title does not even mention drug users.

The title refers to the hepatitis C virus. That virus existed way before drug users did.

simoncion15 minutes ago
> Elimination means 0%.

Not in this context, no. It means the same thing as being cured of Hep C means... there's a little bit still lingering around, but the systems that keep it under control mean that it doesn't cause any problems. The world and one's body are environments that are way too large to get rid of 100% of something without utterly obliterating them.

> That virus existed way before drug users did.

I'm skeptical. Living things have been drug users for approximately forever.

Anyway, a fun fact that I learned when I was getting my Hep C diagnosis and treatment is that the three most common ways to get it are

1) Be an IV drug user who's not extremely careful about their needles

2) Share your toothbrush with someone else

3) Have had a blood transfusion prior to ~1992, when they started screening the blood supply for Hep C

It turns out that -for the sex-havers that aren't into blood play- sex is one of the least effective methods of Hepatitis transmission.

Citizen_Lameabout 3 hours ago
It's just legalise phrasing, still a good news. Saldy we lost measles eradication status, and tuberculosis might be lost as well soon.
claudexabout 3 hours ago
Now everyone is migrating to hepatitis Rust
shevy-javaabout 3 hours ago
The title shows a lack of understanding. BBC has become really low quality.
Aflynn50about 3 hours ago
What do you mean by this? The article quotes an NHS director backing up the statement in the title.

> England is now leading the world in the mission to eliminate this disease and on course to beat the WHO's 2030 target, but we are determined to keep up the momentum and finish the job.

Seems fairly unambiguous to me

kandrosabout 3 hours ago
My brain kept reading Erlang and I was pretty confusing
wowczarekabout 3 hours ago
This is actually a good idea for a HN dataset toy: replace all plausibly confusable words in HN headlines with the names of programming languages.
nailerabout 3 hours ago
To be fair Erlang is written in Erlang and before that Prolog, so the Erlang community may indeed view C as Hepatitis.
zelphirkaltabout 3 hours ago
Just to understand this: When someone says "country England", do they mean "country" like in "nation", considering England a separate nation, or is it a lapse and they mean UK? Is England usually referred to as a country, or just part of a country?

I usually think of a country as equal to a nation, and as far as I know, Wales and Scotland have not split off yet? Is the term "country" not actually that sharply defined?

EDIT: Thanks people, I just asked a question to better understand the terminology, you know ...

alibarberabout 3 hours ago
In this case it's health related and each of the countries in the UK have their own National Health Services (or Health and Social Care in NI). It's not a lapse here.
shevy-javaabout 3 hours ago
I kind of assumed that they actually meant UK. It's indeed confusing. I'd wish the BBC would use a consistent naming scheme.

Guess only England was meant. That would insinuate they don't care about scotland though.

alibarberabout 3 hours ago
I don't understand. It's an article about England. They only have information to hand about England, from the authority tasked with dealing with health in England.

If I read an article from them about crime in London, quoting the Metropolitan Police, I don't immediately think that they don't care about, say, the West Midlands.

Blazaraabout 2 hours ago
The BBC do use a consistent naming scheme, you're just not understanding the scheme. Scotland has their own devolved NHS, and track their own health statistics. Scotland not being mentioned is because the Hepatitis C Trust were talking about England's Hep C numbers, it wasn't an intentional slight on Scotland.
reorder9695about 2 hours ago
Confusingly the proper term for England, Scotland, Wales, and NI is country individually, the UK is a country of countries. They should probably be called states but they never have been, I'd pretty much always assume when someone says England to become the first country... that they mean England exclusively.

The bit that gets me is that people often refer to the UK but actually mean GB or vice versa.

gilleainabout 3 hours ago
Some of the confusion here is from our history. This is my (likely confused) understanding:

James VI/I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I) was king of _both_ England and Scotland and only later did the Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Union combine the two. You might notice I've neglected Wales which was (considered?) part of England.

In any case, England is a country, yes. Also the UK is a country.

rcxdudeabout 2 hours ago
When I've heard the distinction (often in a historical context), 'nation' is usually meant to mean a set of people in a place with some sense of collective identity or origin, while 'state' is the governing body which has a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence within well defined borders. When these overlap the result is a nation-state, but they don't always line up so nearly. Using those definitions England, Wales, and Scotland are nations. Ireland (including northern Ireland) could also be called a nation (though, of course, as should be obvious by the fact that this does not line up with the borders of the state, this is a contentious topic). The United Kingdom is the state (and of course Ireland-minus-northern-ireland is also a state). 'Country' as a term generally doesn't imply either of these (it's just a name for some chunk of land, notionally), though it's often synonymous with the nation-state when the borders all actually line up neatly, as opposed to in the UK.
amiga386about 2 hours ago
CGP Grey: The United Kingdom Explained (2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
beejiuabout 3 hours ago
A lot of powers are devolved away from England to each other country in the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devolution_in_the_United_Kingd...
JimDabellabout 3 hours ago
England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are constituent countries in a larger country called the United Kingdom. When dealing with international affairs, you typically want to be talking about the UK (unless the subject is sport), as that is the sovereign state. But for domestic affairs, it’s often split in ways that are confusing if you don’t understand various bits of history stretching back about a thousand years.

For instance, England and Wales share a legal system, but Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own. There’s bunch of special things about Northern Ireland and its relation to Ireland. And all of the constituent countries have their own parliament / assembly except for England (the parliament in London is for the whole of the UK where MPs for all constituent countries can vote).

In this particular case, the constituent countries have their own health systems, so it’s normally England we would be talking about, not the UK.

_heimdallabout 3 hours ago
England is the country, part of the United Kingdom. Kingdom being the key word there, the US is a collection of countries ruled by the crown.
toast0about 3 hours ago
The commonwealth is also a collection of countries ruled by the crown; but it's not a country whereas the UK is a country.
psp99about 3 hours ago
Wales and Scotland are separate countries to England.
llm_nerdabout 3 hours ago
England is a country, and if you're reading this on the BBC they most certainly are using the correct terminology.

It is not a sovereign country, but instead is a part of the constituents comprising the UK state.

zelphirkaltabout 2 hours ago
OK, so now we have the following terms: State, nation, country, sovereign country.

For example in Germany one would say there are 16 states, but one wouldn't say that there are 16 countries. Never heard anyone claim that. So state seems to be different from country, at least here. Would people in the UK say that Scotland or Wales are "nations"? Or is at least that term very clearly only for units that could participate under a flag in lets say the olympics? (I assume here, that Scotland and Wales are not separately competing, but are under UK flag.)

dessimus35 minutes ago
"State" has lots of meanings depending on context, as it can also refer to the highest level of governments for example: State actors or "head of state". In the U.S., the head of state refers to the President, not to governors in individual states, typically.
tialaramexabout 2 hours ago
"And by 'country' we mean a sovereign state that is a member of the UN in its own right" to quote the famous UK Quiz Show "Pointless".

Team GB enters the Olympics but as you may have noticed it was England who came Third in the World Cup recently, and likewise England play international rugby, including against Wales and Scotland.

Blazaraabout 2 hours ago
The UK, crown dependencies and overseas territories compete as Great Britain in the Olympics rather than the UK. Northern Irish folks can compete for Ireland or GB.

As an English person I would say that Scotland and Wales are nations and countries; constituent countries of the country that is the UK.

keyboredabout 3 hours ago
Yeah England is a country. Like what else do we have the name “England” for? We talk a lot more about England than some non-country geography like Anatolia (Asian Turkey). For example there was no UK in the World Cup, but England made it quite far.

If that’s a bit eccentric, well this is the same place that refers to Europe as a different place even though France borders the UK by automobile road.

sscaryterryabout 2 hours ago
To make things worse, sometimes team GB competes :) (Edit: in other sports)
sd9about 3 hours ago
England is a country. The UK is a country.

People in the UK would refer to England as a country and most people would actually be confused if you referred to the UK as a country, even though it technically is. People in England don’t really think of the UK as anything other than “the UK”. People from Scotland, Wales, and Ireland have more nuanced takes.

juntoalalunaabout 3 hours ago
No one is confused if you can the UK a country, or if you call England, Wales, or Scotland a country.

You might get a tedious person saying something like "actually, Wales is a principality".

arethuzaabout 1 hour ago
I must admit I've never heard NI being called a country... wouldn't be the UK if there wasn't some horrible complication involved.
sd9about 3 hours ago
Maybe not in isolation, but if you call the UK and England both countries in the same conversation you’re going to be met with confusion.
leereevesabout 3 hours ago
I would be confused if someone called Wales a country. I thought Wales (unlike Scotland) was a region of England and had little autonomy. TIL.
walthamstowabout 2 hours ago
I'm English and I don't think England or Scotland or Wales are countries. People get confused because of football and rugby. They're nations. The country is the United Kingdom.
Blazaraabout 2 hours ago
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are constituent countries of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is also a country. You can disagree, but you're disagreeing with the government and the international community.