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patchorangabout 2 hours ago
I can't agree more. I was once catching a flight, went to my gate and found no one there and the flight status monitors saying "Cancelled". I couldn't find an agent at any desk, so went back out of security to check-in to figure out what was going on. The agent proceeded to act like I was the biggest idiot in the world for leaving the gate because "we don't control those boards, your flight isn't cancelled, the gate was changed". So I had to run back through security to barely catch my flight.

Another place I experience this phenomenon is bike shops. They'll start talking to you with specialized vocabulary and won't give you the time of day if you don't know exactly what they're talking about. Yet, I brought my bike to the bike shop because I'm not an expert bike mechanic. Funny enough, I couldn't find a bike shop that wasn't like this so with the help of youtube I do all my own bike work now.

RankingMemberabout 1 hour ago
> Another place I experience this phenomenon is bike shops. They'll start talking to you with specialized vocabulary and won't give you the time of day if you don't know exactly what they're talking about. Yet, I brought my bike to the bike shop because I'm not an expert bike mechanic. Funny enough, I couldn't find a bike shop that wasn't like this so with the help of youtube I do all my own bike work now.

Ugh, the industry still needs to do so much work to this end. There are good shops out there, fwiw, but the elitism is real. Totally counterproductive for a means of conveyance that is so elegantly classless (in the positive, egalitarian sense).

hydrogen7800about 1 hour ago
I design and build things 100x[0] more complex than any bicycle, yet I don't know the jargon and feel like an idiot when I got into my local bike shop to ask simple questions. They are mostly nice and understanding, but the jargon and elitism is still very real that my wife doesn't like going there.

[0]though adjusting the tension spring on the brake levers still puzzles me sometimes... Looser should mean it travels more when you squeeze and release the brake lever, right? Stiffer spring has less displacement for a given force. Not quite. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/canti-direct.html#parallel

59percentmoreabout 1 hour ago
There was a focused effort to "professionalize" the hobby by researcher (crank) John Forester. Thousands of cyclist deaths can be attributed to his efforts, which included promoting "serious" cycling over accessible and casual transport, and personally destroying early plans for widely-available bike lanes in California a la in the Netherlands. Though not as infamous, you can think of him as a mini Moses.
scrumper11 minutes ago
I bought my wife's bike, which she'd purchased back in England while on a fitness kick, to a local shop in Manhattan for a brake service years ago. I have never forgotten the interaction: the hipster douche who greeted me launched into a multi-minute tirade about how Decathlon was "ruining cycling in Europe" and how I was complicit in doing the same in the USA by bringing this abomination into his store.

I'm pretty sure I know who is more responsible for ruining cycling.

Fortunately my local shop in the suburbs here couldn't be more different. They're patient and lovely with my kids, efficient and non-condescending with my wife, will even send a little car to your house to collect a broken bike for service - whether or not they sold it.

lukanabout 1 hour ago
Speaking about elitism/classless - in some german towns, there are more and more non profit self help bike repair places. Good concept I think, but sadly not for E-Bikes it seems. At least I was told that much, so I had to start getting my own repair gear.
sublinearabout 1 hour ago
Catering exclusively to snobbery is everywhere in commissioned sales.

The only bike shops that aren't this way are going to be relatively small and new establishments where the owner is the only guy there. Do not expect the advice or inventory to be all that great.

If you just want the advice, catch the salesman that he's eventually forced to hire when they're off work at the bar.

sottolabout 1 hour ago
Most of them live and breathe biking. They choose to make close to minimum wage to "do what they love", they don't own the store. I think it's genuine excitement and enthusiasm that you take as elitism. Often, it's a big part of their identity... "how could anyone else _not_ care as much"?

I used to bike with a few bike shop employees and they were only in it to eke out a living doing something adjacent to the thing they love, selling bikes was not their passion, riding them and talking about the tech was.

At least 10 years ago, wages in the whole sector were pretty low, so you'd only work there if you really wanted to and valued perks like buying bikes at wholesale (hey, that's half off) and having access to tools or a mechanic buddy.

bee_rider40 minutes ago
I had an older/seemingly quite skilled bike mechanic look at my bike, who was happy to deal with my vague gestures about squeaky doohickeys and answer any questions. They knew enough to know what normal people don’t know, though, and how to get from there to what matters.

I think the sort of lingo-centric scoffing “expertise” is a defensive posture that near-novices tend to take, to scare off further questions. You see it in every field, and we should all be careful not to replicate it in our own.

alexpotatoabout 1 hour ago
> Another place I experience this phenomenon is bike shop

This is my personal favorite story about bike shops (from circa 2008).

At the time, I both lived and worked in Manhattan. I was lucky that biking was an option for commuting but the only bike I had was a 20 year old Giant Acapulco (not a fancy bike at all).

I worked down in Tribeca and one day on the way to work my shifters just broke. Thankfully, there was a bike shop near work so I dropped of the bike in the morning and said I would be back that afternoon.

Fast forward to the afternoon and I come in to pick up my bike (as I assumed it was an easy fix and they would just charge me). The repair counter guy looks at my ticket, checks something and says he has to go get the manager. This is somewhat confusing as this was a simple fix or repair.

The manager comes out and several of the staff are arrayed behind him. Now I'm a mixture of concerned and fascinated as to what could possibly have happened to my bike given this deployment of bike shop personnel.

Manager: "Sir, the repair for your shifters is going to cost $40"

Me: "Ok, is there an issue with that?"

Manager: "Well, a quality used bike would cost you about $60 so we weren't sure how you would want us to proceed"

(I should add that the staff behind him all seemed as though they were holding their breath here).

Me: "That's cool. I'm good with the repair"

Everyone visibly relaxed, the manager turned around, pointed at one guy, then turned back to me and said "Your bike will be ready tomorrow."

My only thought on this level of nervousness is due to the shop being near a lot of investment bank offices that had a very type A guys who were also into bike racing. I myself dealt with a lot of those folks so it's not hard to imagine the shop staff assuming I would be that way too.

emeril19 minutes ago
sadly, the best way to get data on flights it to use the airlines app - not anything you'd find at the airport

also, it's easiest to use that same app for the boarding pass too these days

once I printed them out (with the provided pdf) thinking it would be easier, the printed paper didn't work and they said I HAD to install and use the app or go back to a kiosk and use one of their printouts and lose my place in line...)

ImHereToVoteabout 1 hour ago
The guy working at the TSA isn't there because they have a strong grasp on the theory of mind.
ktallettabout 1 hour ago
Oh the last minute gate change is always ridiculous. I never find it happens at really busy airports either. It's always at the airports that have around 40 gates but only around 6 flights an hour.
foo-bar-baz529about 2 hours ago
I dislike the sense of judgment from TSA officials when I don’t correctly predict which items they do/don’t want me to put in the tray. It’s not my fault that different airports seem to have completely different rules for the same items.
nucleardogabout 1 hour ago
I've often thought that having a standardized checklist on a big board in the security line would be a big help.

    Laptops: In/Out
    Liquids: In/Out
    Shoes: On/Off
    Etc
Because yeah, it's really annoying getting treated like I'm the dummy by some agent that's only ever known this airport's rules... because this airport has rules entirely different than every other one I've flown through in this decade.

Recently had to fly with some splints and crutches and stuff and that was a whole extra set of fun difference in airport rules. First one really wanted to rub their explosives swab on my finger that was held together by exposed metal pins and had exposed subcutaneous tissue. They were a bit put off when I asked for alternate options.

genghisjahnabout 1 hour ago
Does in/out mean in the tray or out of the bag?
Jtsummersabout 1 hour ago
Usually airports use signs with both graphics and text for this. Removes the ambiguity unless you mistake the image of a bag for the tray and vice versa.

Which leaves me confused with GP's suggestion. Every TSA line I've been in already has these signs. Are airports in other countries worse about their signage than TSA?

DaSHackaabout 1 hour ago
In/out of the bag, all items have to be in a tray (at least, in every airport I've flown in
Insanityabout 1 hour ago
Easy fix:

- Laptop: In Tray / In bag

- Shoes: Wear / Remove

I’m sure we can come up with clear wording for such a sign lol.

seb1204about 1 hour ago
Yes, mam.
lesinskiabout 1 hour ago
One time, a TSA official told me "never take off your watch in an airport unless you want to lose it" -- which is how I learned that you can wear your watch through the metal detector just fine, which I've now done dozens of times.

Until a few weeks ago when a another TSA official berated me for thinking I could walk through a metal detector wearing a watch...

rrrrrrrrrrrryanabout 1 hour ago
Proximity is the issue. If the watch or bracelet wrist is very physically close to the detector, it will set it off.

You're supposed to the watch/bracelet, but you do have to hold your wrist close to your body. You kind of want to hold your hands in front of your body as if you're about to grab one of your wrists with your other hand.

Watches and other jewelry are basically right at the cutoff of detection. They want to detect small knives but not earrings.

This is all absolutely tribal airport knowledge. I had been traveling for work for years, taken hundreds of flights, but I only found this out when my partner tried to go through a metal detector with a semi-permanent bracelet that requires a small screwdriver to take off, and the TSA person mercifully told her exactly how to pose as she walked through the detector.

triceratops33 minutes ago
I just put my watch, wallet, phone and other loose or pocket belongings in my backpack or jacket that's already going in the tray. No chance of losing anything.
basiswordabout 1 hour ago
I was told this about my passport and wallet once. Then the other day asked if I could keep a tissue in my pocket and was told to put it in the tray. I think it depends on the scanners (if you’re going through a metal sector it’s fine, if its one of the more fancy scanners they need everything off your person.
zhivotaabout 1 hour ago
Even different lines in the same security area can have different rules. If you travel a lot you start to recognize which machines require laptops out of bags and which don't, for instance.

It is really anxiety inducing overall though. Not to mention the ritual of getting partly undressed before the stupid thing then trying to put everything back on and in pockets on the other side.

zamadatixabout 1 hour ago
Does anyone happen to know which ones are fine with 2 laptops per bag and which ones aren't?
burnte32 minutes ago
TSA PreCheck means I don't have to worry about those rules. Completely worth it. I haven't taken off my shoes, belt, taken out my laptop or liquids in a decade.
xeteraabout 1 hour ago
I've experienced this at non-US airports where the x-ray at the entrance asks for different things to be in the tray than the x-rays before boarding. It's impossible to keep track of what goes where.
wlesieutreabout 1 hour ago
I had a small local airport act like I was an idiot for not knowing they wanted all food items removed from carryon for scanning.

Literally never heard of that.

cmiles8about 1 hour ago
Even at the same airport they can’t seem to get it right amongst themselves. Recently had one TSA person yelling at me to keep something in my bag and then the next person down the line yelling at me for having it in my bag.

When I pointed to the other agent and said “your friend over there told me to do the opposite, that’s why it’s in there!” they just sort of scowled at me.

I just smiled and went about my day, but yes the TSA is often just a total dumpster fire. Some folks are very nice but too many of their folks have a giant chip on their shoulder about something.

Swizecabout 1 hour ago
> When I pointed to the other agent and said “your friend over there told me to do the opposite, that’s why it’s in there!” they just sort of scowled at me.

Recent fun experience in Amsterdam:

security line was moving veeeery slowly. Almost every bag got flagged for inspection. As I’m waiting for my bag to get checked, I see two agents briefly mutter in each others ears. One of them walks up to the lady manning the xray machine, taps her on the shoulder, says something in her ear and they swap places. He goes on xray machine, she start checking bags.

Almost every bag after that passed the xray test. Line started moving quickly

lifestyleguruabout 1 hour ago
My personal positive experience in English speaking country (but not US or UK obviously) was the staff said that passengers don't need to take out stuff from hand luggage for security scanning because they have "the new kind of machines" although the machines didn't look exactly new.
garbawarbabout 1 hour ago
So many airports don't have a sign telling you what to take out for some reason.
patworkabout 1 hour ago
I used to travel for work. 100ish flight segments a year all over the country, typically carrying two laptops - corporate and client.

In one airport, I had a TSA agent yell at me that I'm not allowed to bring two laptops through precheck in my bag. That they had to go through separately. I complied but asked if that was this airport's policy because no other airport seemed to care. She swore up and down that this was national TSA policy and I should know better if I flew so much.

When I look at the TSA's success rates in audits, I tend to agree with the claim that it is more a government jobs program than a security agency.

59percentmore36 minutes ago
And, to be clear, it's a crappy job. Get up ungodly early to travel to a work site in the middle of nowhere to shepherd thousands of jumpy/tired strangers* through arcane procedure (possibly in a language that they don't exactly have a firm grasp of) in the hopes of catching the one-in-a-million who has shown up specifically with the intent to kill you and as many other people as possible (or so your training says).

All while gaining basically no transferrable skills.

*Also, a significant portion of these strangers are headed to destinations and experiences you could never dream of affording or having the opportunity to access.

throwaway_7274about 1 hour ago
Isn’t this the point? To destabilize you, put you on your back foot, make you feel preemptively guilty and a little angry, to feel the presence of an Authority?
wat10000about 1 hour ago
The point is to be seen to be doing something, so that the nervous public sees that Something is being Done, and so that politicians can say they did all they could the next time there’s an attack. Anything they actually do is very much secondary.
ceejayoz41 minutes ago
And annoyingly, the real, meaningful things they do do aren't sexy.

Reinforced cockpit doors are basically invisible, but they've also basically made hijackings impossible, especially when coupled with the fact that passengers will no longer assume the plane will safely land and negotiate.

wat10000about 1 hour ago
There’s a fundamental issue with people, which is that it’s difficult to treat masses of people as separate individuals.

After the 20th time you ask someone to take out their laptop, there’s a part of you that’s screaming, “we’ve done this 20 times, you should know this by now!” Of course, “we” haven’t done this 20 times, only one side of the interaction has the repeated experience. But it’s natural to project that onto the other person, and get into a mode of, “I’ve told you before.”

Obviously this can be overcome, I'm not sure TSA hires people with enough self awareness to even see the problem.

nestesabout 1 hour ago
This is one of my major pet peeves, and it extends well beyond TSA. Help desks, call centers, car rentals... Essentially, it's when someone expects you to be able to do their job. When you invariably don't, they treat you as if you're stupid.
piinbinaryabout 2 hours ago
This has some lessons that apply much more broadly than to just airports (e.g. apps that make you jump through hoops and expect you to know what 2fa or SSO mean)
LollipopYakuzaabout 1 hour ago
Exactly. That led me to wonder what in my job do I wrongly assume for my users.
neko_rangerabout 2 hours ago
Am I crazy or are the general workers at most US airports of dubious quality at best?
jcdavisabout 1 hour ago
Airport jobs are some of the worst possible jobs - poor pay, bad hours, very long effective commutes (when you consider that they don't clock in until after get to the terminal, get through security), and angry customers screaming at you for something that's not your fault.

Lazy/incompetent/annoyed employees is the inevitable outcome of such an environment

Xirdusabout 1 hour ago
You get what you pay for. And they're being paid barely above minimum wage.
pineapplepizza6about 1 hour ago
about a half of a developed country's minimum wage.
Insanityabout 1 hour ago
That doesn’t change the fact that it’s minimum wage for the location. Doesn’t matter if they earn more than a highly skilled professional in a different country, it doesn’t change the skill set.

FWIW though, I rarely had bad experiences with airport staff. They are just trying to do their jobs in a hectic place and don’t intentionally make our lives difficult.

scldabout 1 hour ago
In addition to the minimum wage they get paid, it's also the minimum (negative) value they add. There's zero reason to do better at a job that already is a waste of almost everyone's time.
Aeolunabout 1 hour ago
> general workers at most airports

Yes, exactly. But actually, given what they must be paid they do an admirable job. I can’t truly blame someone for not giving a shit, it’s just frustrating for me when getting on my flight depends on them doing so.

MPSimmonsabout 1 hour ago
Look, our culture does not reward excellence, so those people are doing the least possible to not get fired. That's kind of the whole American thing in general at this point. Nobody is doing great outside of technology workers, and even then, only some of them. You're not going to have a great experience in general from people here. There are always outliers, but those are individuals who have found some internal motivation to go above and beyond, and it's not a systemic thing.
rdtscabout 1 hour ago
The TSA and some immigration ones are even malicious
WaitWaitWhaabout 1 hour ago
I have gone through Schiphol and strip searched because the buttons on my winter coat were suspicious.
ryandrakeabout 1 hour ago
Everyone you interact with from the moment you enter the airport has that Brooklyn-diner-employee “whaddayawaaaant?” attitude. Like your very presence as a customer annoys them. Everyone is in dire need of customer service training. The DMV is more pleasant.
WaitWaitWhaabout 1 hour ago
This is not a US-only airport staff issue. I am on the road most of the last three decades and it is international. It is one, binding "quality" in every country. Most the airport staff's core competency rests elsewhere in almost all airports.

I am hedging because i have had nuggets of exceptional service and support here and there, even in nightmarish hellscapes like Heathrow. Flight attendants are a whole different area of joy and fears...

SanjayMehtaabout 1 hour ago
You're not crazy at all. They seem to be selected for having a low IQ and no common sense.
59percentmore27 minutes ago
Ironic.
xvxvxabout 1 hour ago
Last time I flew, it was with United and I highly recommend their app. Clearly designed by people who know airports suck. It automated everything, from checkin and tickets, kept me updated on flights and gates, mapped them out and told me how long it would take to get to the gate and where security lines were the longest. Even tracked my checked luggage.
martinpw41 minutes ago
> Even tracked by checked luggage.

Which would be great if it was actually accurate. Took a United flight two days ago. Checked two bags. App only reported one bag loaded onto plane. Spent the flight anxiously wondering if the other bag had been lost. Both bags arrived fine.

I'd rather have no information than unreliable information.

metanoia_27 minutes ago
Do not let peace be given away as you cannot control what you cannot control.
pkrecker35 minutes ago
One time in 2013 I was flying from San Francisco to Phoenix with a layover in LA. I purchased my ticket directly from United, the flights had a UAXXXX flight number, and the printed tickets I got when I checked in had United branding on them.

I got to LAX and I proceeded to try to find my UA flight, but the flight number was nowhere to be found. I waited a bit and when it still didn’t show up on the monitor, I asked a gate agent. The agent looked at my ticket and told me to keep waiting.

Eventually I started to get worried as my departure time was approaching. I asked another gate agent, and this time I was informed my flight was not a United flight at all! It was a US Airways flight. Also, it was in a completely different terminal. Also, at LAX to move between terminals you have to exit security and hike across parking structures and parking lots. There was no way I would make my flight.

I looked at my ticket and sure enough, in small print it said “operated by US airways.” I hadn’t even noticed this, but even if I had, how was I supposed to know that this meant it was literally not a United flight at all?

Thankfully a friendly customer service agent took mercy on me and got me booked on an American flight later that day.

I later learned from a flight attendant friend that this was called a “code share” and it was subsequently changed to make it more user friendly.

There are a million things like this I don’t even think about anymore because I travel so much. But when I think back to those days of early adulthood I remember how stressful and confusing airports could be.

59percentmoreabout 1 hour ago
This shouldn't really be directed at people who work at the airport. Almost everything mentioned is the fault of the people who designed the airport and the people who run the airport.

The latter group are so, so happy that you addressed the former, and not them. They have successfully avoided the inconvenience and scrutiny that would prompt them to change. (Of course, between Abe and the UHC guy, taking your complaints directly to an executive also seems to be effective, if not even more so.)

99954bb63ccc41 minutes ago
Agree 100. Most of my frustration with things in the world goes right to this IE it's the folks who design/administer it that I blame. Sure, the users and/or operators of any given system can find a way to use/operate things incorrectly. But, so many things are just clearly lazy in design. And, n=1 here, in many cases having worked in service/retail/operations roles, it's usually a matter of decision makers not listening to folks that have to work around the sillyness day to day that is to blame. So long as the front line folks work around it, the decision makers consider it solved...
superxpro12about 1 hour ago
i think that 90% of these problems would be solved by an easily accessible, standardized map of each airport.

When i attempted to find airport maps, I was met with a mess of mobile apps, mobile website pdf's, and an enormous amount of text.

Just... give me an easy to use map. Call out the obvious use cases like "how to transfer terminals" and "your bags will/will-not be checked through".

chasd00about 1 hour ago
maybe this doesn't work in every airport but you can hold up your phone with the camera on, point it down the hallway, and get step by step directions to get to your gate.
BenjiWiebe37 minutes ago
What, your stock camera app gives you step by step directions?!

Feels like your explanation is missing a few steps.

Retr0idabout 1 hour ago
I suspect airports could be a whole lot simpler if the notions of "security" and "border control" didn't exist or were otherwise relaxed.
willcodeforfoo24 minutes ago
Reminds me of a really beautiful song by Nickel Creek, To The Airport: https://genius.com/Nickel-creek-to-the-airport-lyrics

There's a of implicit knowledge in that environment.

charlesabarnesabout 1 hour ago
Experienced travelers also often face troubled, contradictory instructions from airport staff seemingly at random.

The experience doesn't have to be so stressful and confusing, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

aqme28about 1 hour ago
Yes, this is a thing too. It's confusing for people who don't fly often for the obvious reasons, but experienced travelers have it just as bad because the rules vary wildly by airport and country.

I can't remember which airports/countries/systems require which procedures, so I just have to go in blind every time.

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VeninVidiaVicii35 minutes ago
Everything you’re saying is how I feel as a native English speaker and it drives me absolutely nuts. People in airports are obsessed with telling you what you can’t do.

The one thing that kind of works for me is, “Well, what should I do?” when they bark orders about what I can’t do.

“You can’t have your boarding pass in your hand!”, when you’re in the x-ray. “Where should I put it now?”

Oh well, it turns out I actually can have it in my hand. Thanks.

Insanityabout 1 hour ago
The signage and rules can be confusing, but I don’t recall bad experiences with airport staff. They are just trying to do their job in a hectic place. I don’t believe they are intentionally being difficult, and honestly everyone can have a bad day.
MotoriXabout 3 hours ago
Navigation in a lot of public places is pretty bad. I think interactive maps on small terminals could help a lot. Personally, I find it much easier to understand things from a map, especially when it shows exactly where you are.
igornotarobotabout 1 hour ago
How about two different planes departing to exactly the same destination at exactly the same time from two different terminals? That's how I missed my plane from Belgrade to Vienna. I have no other explanation but that they do it on purpose.
ceejayozabout 1 hour ago
> I have no other explanation but that they do it on purpose.

It's much simpler; the incoming plane takes pretty much any available gate, because they are all almost always full.

Getting the two flights to Vienna in the same spot might mean an hour of extra waiting on the tarmac for a gate to open up.

aqme28about 1 hour ago
Also, two neighboring gates saying "Now boarding for Vienna" will confuse people too. You're a bit screwed either way.
gruezabout 1 hour ago
The airport departure board doesn't have flight numbers? All the ones I've seen do. And if you can't notice the difference between two different flight numbers, how are you going to notice the difference between one flight departing at 1:35 and another that departs at 1:45?
agurk28 minutes ago
During the ongoing redevelopment of Belgrade airport I did find myself with a short connection there and unable to find a departure board. I checked the airport website, but it only had the flight names and not gates!

Beginning to get worried and with no-one to talk to in the construction site of an airport I discovered that I needed to rotate my phone and then the extra columns appeared on their website. Yes I had tried scrolling and zooming, but in portrait it wouldn't actually render outside of the visible width.

igornotarobotabout 1 hour ago
Of course, they have flight numbers, though the destination and the departure time was a good heuristic until it was not. I am much better at remembering the departure time than an arbitrary sequence of letters and numbers.
dave7838 minutes ago
My home airport is a major hub; it is very common for some destinations to have a dozen or more flights across the various airlines. Quite often the American and United flights are scheduled similarly and leave within 30 minutes of each other.

I don't think this is that uncommon, so I've only ever paid attention to airline and flight number. I would recommend everyone else do the same.

pewpew_about 1 hour ago
Flight arrival and departure times can change suddenly without ample notice. That was never a good way to locate your flight.
jnovachoabout 1 hour ago
The flight number is on the ticket/boarding pass.
joshstrangeabout 1 hour ago
In Lexington, KY I was chided for taking out my laptop "You don't need to do that" and then at Dallas Fort Worth I got chided for not taking out my laptop. Kafkaesque is the best word I have to describe it. Turns out Lexington has nicer/newer scanners and somehow I'm supposed to know which scanners you need to take your laptop out for.

Additionally I want to make a scene every time I hand over documents and get told "I don't need this" since if I hadn't provided that ID/Passport/Boarding pass there was an equal chance I'd get berated for not providing it. There is zero empathy for the traveller. If I walk forward I get yelled at, if I wait to be called I get yelled at, it's infuriating. Everything about the airport feels like a lose-lose scenario to me.

I don't fly that often and every time I do I hate the airport experience so much because I feel like I'm constantly doing _something_ wrong.

The security theater of the TSA is just the moldy cherry on top of the shit sundae that is flying.

starkyabout 1 hour ago
I'm pretty sure this is a purposeful "feature" of security at least for North America. They don't want anyone getting comfortable with the process and constantly make changes to ensure this. I'm not sure what this is supposed to accomplish other than to make air travel less comfortable.

I recently flew and the airport had gotten the new scanners since the last time I had gone somewhere. The signage was confusing as only some of the lines had signs that specifically said you didn't have to take out your electronics on "this lane only". Even with the new scanners they were pulling out half the bags for additional screening and only had one person doing the additional screening.

Coming back from overseas I saw how it was supposed to work, walked up and they directed me to a line and a specific bin loading station, had someone remind me to ensure my pockets were empty, walked through the scanner and my bag was already waiting for me, took all of 2 minutes.

chasd00about 1 hour ago
what i do in tsa lines is just watch the people in front of me and the directions given to them. It's kind of hard to ignore actually.
jasonhongabout 1 hour ago
Replace "passengers" with "users" and replace "airport workers" with "product team members", and you have a good argument for why good usability and good service design really matter in the world.
mikeocoolabout 2 hours ago
My favorite but of airport-ese that emerged post-9/11 is that on most US airlines you can now have 1 carry-on and 1 personal item.

As far as I can tell the difference between them is that a personal item can't have wheels.

gabrielhidasyabout 1 hour ago
Usually the rule is that the personal item must fit under the seat in front of you, the carry-on may be a bit larger.

I have boarded with a wheeled carry-on + wheeled personal item (a backpack with wheels) in the past, but every time the gate agent tested the personal item for size.

mikeocoolabout 1 hour ago
I'm sure that's technically true -- but as long as your personal item doesn't have wheels they seem completely unconcerned with the size. I frequently travel with a duffel bag carry-on that goes in the overhead. On most flights they let me waltz onto the plane with it and a backpack long after they start forcing everyone to gate check their rollerboards.

They could also just say "only one carry-on can go in the overhead bin."

mrguyorama10 minutes ago
The specific rule is that a personal item must be able to fit under the seat in front of you, in that space, without any sort of extension into the aisle.

At most gates, I've seen the little boxes that are used to size test carry on luggage to also have a section to size test personal items.

My experience is that it barely fits a large backpack with some books, snacks, and at least one 15 inch laptop.

Carry on luggage can be much, much larger.

> I frequently travel with a duffel bag carry-on that goes in the overhead

Yes, that is one carry on luggage item, and one personal item.

>They could also just say "only one carry-on can go in the overhead bin."

No because you are not afforded two carry on luggage items. One item has to be small enough to fit under the seat in front of you.

malsheabout 1 hour ago
A couple of weeks back I was flying out of Chicago O'Hare. The guy in front of me had a carryon suitcase, a laptop bag, and a fanny pack attached to the carryon. The employee checking us in told him that the fanny pack was considered a second personal item. He had to remove it from the bag and wear it on him. Then it became part of his attire and that was A-OK.
leetroutabout 1 hour ago
One of the best investments I ever made was the original Patagonia MLC wheelie. It stands for Maximum Legal Carry-on. They have a black hole version now which I am not familiar with but I assume is the same quality / usefulness. I had a few jobs where I commuted regularly on CRJ 200's and this bag fits in the overhead with no issue. The ability to pop out the straps and wear it like a backpack makes the gate agents much less concerned about the size.
ceejayozabout 1 hour ago
My last four flights have each made me gate-check my carry-on at the jetway.

They could've saved a lot of time and labor by just letting me check it like I would have before they started charging $30-50 each way for it.

mbreeseabout 1 hour ago
That is the most counter-intuitive thing for me while flying. Why make me pay to check my bag? Make people pay to carry on a bag. Most of the time boarding and leaving a plane is taken up with people dealing with overhead bags. Checking a bag should be the cheapest option to incentivize people to be more efficient.
jameshartabout 1 hour ago
Most flights on busy, small planes, where most passengers are wheeling chunky rollboards up, will offer complementary gate check for larger carry on bags. Often you can actually check such a bag for free at the bag check counter before security - even if your ticket does not include any checked baggage.
ceejayozabout 1 hour ago
Yes, I know, that's what I described. So why not a fee for carry-on - the actual limited resource on such a plane - and a free small checked bag to be efficiently and cheaply shepherded from the entrance all the way to the destination by staff and machines specialized to that?

This also allows me to actually plan for what I need on the plane versus what I don't, instead of an at-gate shuffle of medications and charger blocks from one bag to another.

doogliusabout 1 hour ago
The personal item has to fit under the seat in front of you
spogbiperabout 1 hour ago
my personal item has wheels. but it also fits under the seat, which is the only thing the airlines seem to care about.

think of it as 1 item that goes in the overhead storage and 1 item that goes under the seat in front of you

Cider9986about 1 hour ago
We do not need everyones bags to be scanned. We do not need everyones bodies to be scanned. We do not need facial recognition at TSA, to board international flights, and to enter the country. We do not need to ban cash at airports. We do not need to take off our shoes (ig that changed). We do not need to restrict liquids.

It's a bunch of baloney.

Bishonen88about 1 hour ago
what? especially the bags part seems crazy. Easy to imagine what happens when we stop screening bags...
andsoitisabout 3 hours ago
> She was anxious, because you instilled a sense of panic in her.

That's not why she was anxious! She was anxious because, according to author's own account, this is someone:

a) flying for the first time

b) hardly speaks English

c) is in a foreign country

d) solo responsible for 4 grand kids running around

etc.

Blaming the airport staff who have to optimize for the greater good is quite something.

vintermannabout 2 hours ago
Now boarding - remain seated. Gate closing!

The author gave plenty of other reasons why someone might be stressed out by what's communicated at the airport.

The whole point is that airport staff (and especially leadership) are maybe not so great at "optimizing for the greater good" always.

gruezabout 1 hour ago
>Now boarding - remain seated. Gate closing!

>The author gave plenty of other reasons why someone might be stressed out by what's communicated at the airport.

Without objective accounts (ie. a picture), it's unclear whether that's due to poor design or just poor comprehension/situational awareness from the person reading it. For instance, "Now boarding - remain seated" seems like pretty standard priority boarding (eg. first class boards first, economy stays seated). If you're bad at english and all you can do is scan for random keywords, and/or it's your first time flying and you're not aware of this, you might be confused. But there's also so much you can do for this target audience.

pmontraabout 1 hour ago
If that's the case it means that they can show the "Now boarding - remain seated" only to people that will board in economy seats. I don't think that they can, so it's a bad message that probably came into existence because of some entertaining concatenation of events that somebody in the airport business could be able to explain. But will anybody working in airports read that post?
kshri24about 1 hour ago
> But there's also so much you can do for this target audience.

The point is not asking one to do something for the target audience beyond showing a bit of compassion. If the passenger is lost/confused and is being yelled at it would do nothing to either diffuse the situation or help the passenger. Hand-holding one or two passengers would only make the experience pleasant enough for them. It has the effect of them learning something they did not know and also wanting to come back again.

krisoftabout 1 hour ago
> optimize for the greater good

Greater good my posterior. The grandma was in the wrong place at that time because they optimised the experience to extract the most money out of the flying public. They were boarding the people who paid extra, and since she didn't they couldn't let her board. Because if they do why would anyone pay extra for their "higher class" more expensive tickets. They could have said "passport?" and then pointed her towards the gate. But doing so as a policy would net the corporation less profit. So they don't.

In other words the grandma's distress was by design. You can avoid the indignity of turned away from the gate by coughing up more money. She quite literally "didn't know her place" both in the queue and in the hierarchy.

gruezabout 1 hour ago
>They were boarding the people who paid extra, and since she didn't they couldn't let her board. Because if they do why would anyone pay extra for their "higher class" more expensive tickets.

The class conflict/"corporate profit" angle doesn't make any sense because even in communism you'd still need to board people in different groups (eg. people who are disabled and/or need assistance first, then people at the back, all the way to the front), thereby creating the issue described in the OP.

krisoft35 minutes ago
It makes every sense. andsoitis claimed that the process is optimised for "greater good". My observation is that it is not. It is optimised for profit. That's it.

If there were some change they could enact which improves the "greater good" (whatever that is) at the cost of profit, they wouldn't. Simple as that.

> or need assistance first

yeah. Like a grandma with a tenuous command of the language and four kids. :)

> thereby creating the issue described in the OP.

I'm sure a fictional airport organised by other principles would have other problems. Doesn't change a bit that the current airport you can experience is optimised for profit, and not for "greater good".

tonyarklesabout 1 hour ago
> Blaming the airport staff who have to optimize for the greater good is quite something.

I don't think it's actually as noble as "optimizing for the greater good", but rather "optimizing for getting through the day in one piece". Which, in my experience, is why (polite + friendly + reasonable + firm) is the right register to use in pretty much every interaction with airport staff. You're asking them to do something (not telling), but your presence is ideally vaguely net positive (friendly, smiling, relaxed), you're asking for something that's within their authority to do, and there's a vague threat that you're not going to back down if they say no off-hand (their day is going to have a larger hassle-increment if they say no vs. if they say yes).

Written out it kind of reads as cold and calculating, but I think every element of it is the best for everyone involved. You don't end up feeling like you just acquiesced to getting screwed by United or Delta, they get to have a nice friendly interaction that ideally makes those 10 minutes of their day suck less than it could have with an asshole customer.

bee_riderabout 1 hour ago
It is the delicate art of being a persistent problem that is more pleasant and easier to deal with than ignore.
sifexabout 1 hour ago
The fact that airport staff are forced to be cattle dogs given the lack of airport prior capacity planning is exactly what the author is trying to convey.

It touches on a “race to the bottom” that European low cost carriers have have shown that people don’t care about airport stress in the shadow of cost — which lends to the enshittification of the whole overall experience.

It’s so bad that people are starting to /pay/ to have less stress by visiting airport lounges, which are now starting to be, themselves, overcrowded due to the increase in demand.[1]

[1]. https://web.archive.org/web/20260714133432/https://www.globa...

handwarmersabout 1 hour ago
while your ignorance is bliss for you, it is a punishment for the rest of us. now get in line and wait for your boarding group to be called.
martyvisabout 1 hour ago
I think the point is that they have zero empathy
mschuster91about 2 hours ago
Airports by nature of flying being expensive will always be filled with people with zero idea about how airports work.
kshri24about 1 hour ago
> b) hardly speaks English

> c) is in a foreign country

So you don't want tourists to your Country? You do realize 95% of the World lives outside the US? and at least 80% lives in non-English speaking Countries? Creating a horrid experience for them would mean losing huge chuck of that wealth flowing into your Country. Especially so when their income levels are rising drastically compared to a US Citizen (in terms of % change in disposable income as many are from low cost of living countries).

fryanyway_sweabout 1 hour ago
Dont try and glaze India and China please.

Also, EU speaks great English, the Nordic countries especially.

arun-mani-jabout 1 hour ago
I traveled in the flight for the first time 2 months back and I find this article so similar to my experience.

I had so much confusion on the entire protocols on what is allowed and what is not and all those terminologies, such that a week before travel, I had my friend do a full end-to-end guide on everything we must do since entering an airport to coming out of it.

Even then when I visited it, it was a little different than what my friend told me. But thankfully it is not a rushy airport, so I frankly told my situation to the person issuing boarding pass and he told me in detailed manner everything (my biggest confusion was with luggages).

Unlike a bus or train which you can at the worst case run through and board, for airplanes, you need to go through a lot of checkings and phew...

When in flight, there were a few instructions, messages from pilot etc. However they spoke so fast that it was so unclear. The passangers around me were also talking a little loudly, so I couldn't understand anything.

May be from what I understand, these instructions are so regular, so people who frequent flights find it boring.

For me it was both curiosity and feae of missing important details. And since it was India, they said the instructions in both English and Hindi only (I know only a little Hindi), even though the flights were for different language speaking region.

At the end, it somehow ended up fine. But I think if it were my parents in my place, the journey could have been a nightmare :)

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Aeolunabout 1 hour ago
Like, I hate the sheer size of Schiphol, but I’m never wondering where anything is, and if I need to get there I can always get there by sprinting. I like that part of it.
jonhohleabout 1 hour ago
What’s crazy is that this is the list of things that are wrong when everything is going right.

I was at O’hare for the first time in a few decades a few weeks ago and my flight was delayed due to some mechanical issue with the assigned plane. At least that’s what the app said. Because of the delay, the gate kept changing. We were supposed to know this because every once in a while the gate we were at no longer said it was our flight, so there must be some other location. I think at least one of the times it was mentioned over the PA, but besides the flight number everything else was unintelligible.

We see other flights to our destination that were scheduled after ours from the same airline on the same type of plane boarding and leaving. It doesn’t matter that our tickets were from earlier in the day. They’ve already screwed over 150 passengers. Screwing them over more is far less bad than delaying them slightly but having to also delay later flights by a little bit, too. I think we watched three flights leave. As a group of six, with four children, the likelihood of standby coming through on any of these is less than zero.

On the departure board the flight was referred to by a carrier other than the one we bought the tickets from, because of course everyone should know every carrier’s partner airlines and how their flight numbers map.

Three hours of delay had arrived but the plane was finally at the gate. FAA says I’m entitled to a meal for the delay, so I go ask how to redeem it. I’m told to go back to customer service near security and stand in a line to get a voucher. But if I miss the flight, there’s nothing they can do about it. I’m sure that’s not how that’s supposed to work, but I’m several hours delayed already, my plans for the day are shot, missing the flight it really an option just so I can get some airport food.

The time has arrived to start boarding. I’m on chat complaining about the service when it disconnects. The app stops working, so I check the airline’s website, and get a hard down, unstyled error message. I tell my wife that something seems wrong with their site and have my suspicion confirmed a few minutes later that their entire system is down and all flights are halted until further notice. No ETA.

At this point Reddit has more information about what’s happening than the gate agent. It’s another 45 minutes before a mumbly PA announcement tells us flights are delayed due to a global system wide outage.

Fortunately, their IT staff seemed to be on it, and the whole thing only lasted an hour. Then they put us on the plane like nothing happened and even got people to cheer for the crap service. Ice water in hell, I suppose.

zamadatix35 minutes ago
> We see other flights to our destination that were scheduled after ours from the same airline on the same type of plane boarding and leaving.

I feel like there is a lot more to the fungibility of planes. E.g. add just one more consideration, like bag loading, to the scenario and suddenly you end up with a mess of not great answers for a whole complex tree of things unless you somehow know with certainty how long the fix is actually going to take ahead of time. The more of these additional considerations you add, the more they start interacting with each other and the less likely "just switch the planes" only means passing the delay along.

mjhayabout 1 hour ago
There’s been a bunch of airline IT meltdowns in recent years, some much much worse than what you described. Airlines just decided IT is a “cost center” and decided not to maintain it.
maelnabout 1 hour ago
I hate airport. From having to arrive many hours early to a place out of the city and often poorly connected by public transport, expensive to park if you dare take your car, extremely expensive if you take a taxi or be left wherever if you take an uber. Then you have to find your way through huge, terminal to find your gate, understand the arbitrary rules of the airlines you were forced to choose, having your stuff messed with by security, having the constant pressure of time, only for the airline to be hours late with no compensation. And so many more.

Nowadays, if I can take a train, I take the train. At least where I live, the train stations are almost always in the city, very well-connected, are more comfortable, you can arrive very late at the train station since there is no gate, no security, no bullshit. And even if the trip is 3-4h longer with a train, you can make up for it by not having to show up minimum 1 hour early at the airport, then having to wait 1 hour for a slow bus that takes you from the airport to the actual city center, or take a taxi and give them all your life savings.

Caius-Cosades5 minutes ago
Yeah, airports are way too stressful. I'd honestly rather use a train to travel across a continent than use an airplane. The time saved just isn't worth the stress.
pikerabout 1 hour ago
Absolutely! I travel a LOT, am able-bodied and frequent the same airports, and I am routinely confused and anxious.

Bad call-out to Heathrow though where they’re amongst the best in the world at this.

aqme28about 1 hour ago
I flew out of JFK a few days ago. Delta has about 50 check-in kiosk, and a few gate agents. With so many terminals, I was wondering why the area was so packed, with ten-minute lines to use an check-in kiosk.

I went to see a gate agent because I had a question. Right after yelling at someone else for the same reason, they told me "No, you have to use the kiosks."

By the time I got to the check-in kiosks I figured it out. Maybe they worked for some people but it had to be like 20% at best. Everyone else had to have help, myself included. It wouldn't scan my passport for the first 5 attempts, and then it wouldnt print my bag tag so I had to see the agent anyways.

What is the purpose of an automated system that drives everyone to the manual system? It just added an extra step.

Sorry for venting.

NoDodgeQuestionabout 1 hour ago
Post title should be, Dear people who design the airport, not Dear people who work at the airport.
john_strinlaiabout 1 hour ago
other than the remarks about the signage, most of the post is about the employees.
Hnrobert42about 1 hour ago
Both
hmokiguessabout 1 hour ago
Expectation is the source of frustration. Embrace the chaos, accept the journey.
Kinranyabout 1 hour ago
Funny. I love flying partly for the very reason that airports need to be idiot-proof.
josefritzishereabout 2 hours ago
Everyone over 40 knows how terrible air travel has become.
Cthulhu_about 1 hour ago
I haven't flown in a few years, it was alright last time. But if my parents ever want to fly somewhere, I'm coming with them if only to tell them what to expect and help them around.
Xirdusabout 2 hours ago
Everyone* knows how terrible air travel has become. People over 40 know it doesn't have to be that way.
jasonlotitoabout 1 hour ago
I'm over 40, and I flew many times before 9/11. Nope, flying has gotten much easier. The entire experience, from getting to the airport and parking to getting to your hotel. Yes, TSA is a drag, but I've never had an issue. And since I got PreCheck, it's gotten easier. Altogether, I enjoy flying.
lotsofpulpabout 1 hour ago
Other than TSA, air travel seems better to me than the 1990s.

I don’t need meals for domestic flights, and it’s trivial for me to pack a little something. Noise canceling earphones and ipads/laptops/phones make entertaining oneself trivial.

There is even wifi now, and messaging is free so you can be in constant communication with your friends/family, especially to coordinate pickup.

The planes themselves are better (except maybe if you are a big person). But price per hour of flight time for me has stayed below inflation, so I assume the extra seats helps offset that for me.

I can buy flights anywhere, anytime on my electronic devices, have the boarding passes on my watch or phone or paper, and I can get push notifications about all flights so pickups/dropoffs are simple. I can even see the status of the plane’s previous flight so I get even more of a heads up about delays. There is also luggage tracking available now, at least with airtags if not from the airline itself.

seb1204about 1 hour ago
All good and valid points. Yet I still have the impression airports are passenger hostile, e.g. try to find a water dispenser without walking a mile.
eesmith23 minutes ago
"Other than TSA" sounds to me very much like "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

In the early 1990s, my girlfriend was scared of flying. I went with her to the gate for emotional support. I also sometimes met people when they arrived at the gate. No longer, at least, not without some planning.

In the early 1990s, full names and id checks were not required. This made for an active resale market which has since disappeared, with the profit going to the airliners. My mother and I share the same first initial, which proved personally useful one time when we booked the ticket as "E. Smith" since we weren't sure which of us was going make the trip. No longer.

In the 1990s, from drop-off to gate in the small city I lived was about 5 minutes, for carry-on. Check-in at the gate by showing the ticket. The only inspection was for guns. I regularly carried a pocket knife back then, even on planes. No longer.

In the early 2000s I traveled international. My carry-on at times included bottles of beer (to share with people in Europe) and wine (returning from South Africa), since I thought that would be safer than in my luggage. I bought them in regular stores. No longer.

Around 2008 I made the mistake once of returning international via SFO to visit friends there. I knew where they lived - I've driven there many times. But I didn't know their zip, only their street address, and there was no way for me to check in the new automated kiosk without that vital piece of useless information. I was able to look it up, but I was flustered and in panic that I would miss the flight.

Back in the 1990s, as US citizen I could just show up in most countries, with only my passport - no visa, no fingerprinting, no automated facial recognition, and no "electronic system for travel authorization" or rather its foreign equivalents.

It even worked the other way. I had friends of mine from South Africa going to Canada for a conference, with a transfer in the US. They didn't know they were supposed to get a US visa even though they didn't leave the airport. But the US at the time did have the TWOV (Transit Without Visa) program, which meant they were able to get to the conference and back home. They even had a comfortable TWOV room at the airport, and an escort for those who needed to step outside for a smoke. The TWOV program was suspended in 2003 and has not been restored.

Air travel in the 1990s felt like freedom. Now it feels like a key part of modern government security and control, with little leeway for humanity.

fryanyway_sweabout 1 hour ago
Back then, the plebians did not fly as much as they do now.

I am a pleb and say this btw.

Der_Einzigeabout 1 hour ago
Why I’m glad spirit is dead.

Low cost economy was a mistake and shouldn’t exist. Half of all people shouldn’t be flying.

lifestyleguruabout 2 hours ago
It's still like in the past days in Business class and upwards, not to mention private flying - all friendly, fully serviced, no nitpicking. Air travel has become more like transatlantic liners from the period just before their demise.
ceejayozabout 1 hour ago
Business class is starting the enshittification ramp.

https://travelupdate.com/business-class-seat-selection-fee/

Wanna sit with your partner? Both of you, pay up! Lounge access? Oh, that's extra now.

lotsofpulpabout 1 hour ago
Why does that logic not go the other way, too?

Don’t care about who you sit next to? Have a discount!

Suppose you operate an airline, and your costs increase (e.g. fuel, labor, etc). Your options are to divide the increase equally by number of seats, or you increase price differently based on customer’s ability and willingness to pay.

I do not see what is “wrong” about the latter. In fact, the latter would allow maintaining more access to air travel for those who can afford it the least.

I don’t care for airport lounges, why should I pay for them? Same for bigger seats, or checked bags, or alcoholic drinks, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

tengbretsonabout 1 hour ago
> we passengers are trying our best

100% disagree.

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casionabout 1 hour ago
I've just hit 2 million miles last week.

All of this is true, and no matter how much you do it, it's still all true.

I can't even keep track of what I'm supposed to do at my own home airport that I've been to thousands of times. Some people know me on a first name basis there, and still act judgmental when something was (seemingly randomly) changed and I don't know about it.

TSA is by far the worst in the USA though. Their expectation that you do exactly what you should, without telling you what to do, while constantly changing the rules, is infuriating. Often there'll be 2-3 lines and DESPITE HAVING THE SAME SCANNERS, they'll have different unspoken rules that you are literally yelled at over.

Cthulhu_about 1 hour ago
My theory is that it's intentional; change the rules for security personnel so they don't end up in a routine, change them for travelers so... they also don't end up in a routine. If travelers with malicious intent are stressed because of the lack of predictability, they'll be extra stressed when they're up to no good.

Of course, this is baby/bathwater territory as only a fraction of a percentage of people are up to no good, and of those only a percentage is a danger to others.

seb120438 minutes ago
As with many things, criminals are a step ahead and know this and know how to keep calm, be patient.
chasd00about 1 hour ago
i made this point earlier but in a TSA line do you not just watch the people in front of you and do what they're required to do? That works pretty well for me.
seb120440 minutes ago
Yes, that. You have 3-10 chance to watch and learn before it's your turn. But down the phone or book and spend a moment observing.
anticorporateabout 1 hour ago
I mean, almost by definition half of the time people are going through an airport, it's not their home airport. Probably more than half because people chain trips (and even more than that if you count people with a layover). It would make sense for the default assumption when interacting with a visitor is that they've never been there before and are unaware of your procedures.
AndrewKemendoabout 1 hour ago
My observation is that on average, the world is too complex and confusing for the vast majority of people to operate in it without significant struggle.
sergiotapiaabout 1 hour ago
I feel differently, after travelling a bit all the airports are so cookie cutter I was in awe of the human effort required to reach this point of harmony.

It's all so organized and simple and zero need to rush. They even have signs in all major languages, it's nuts!

Source: SF, Miami, New York, Bolivia, Argentina, Texas - all kind of the same all over. Like visiting different Wawa's.

fryanyway_sweabout 1 hour ago
>The poor elderly Indian woman who you just told to "keep the gate area clear" does not, and she wasn't trying to make your life more difficult

We need to go back to when flying was for the elites only.

For the climate, of course.

Der_Einzigeabout 1 hour ago
Thus but unironically.
tamimioabout 1 hour ago
In Montreal airport few months ago, going through the TSA check: shoes off, laptop out in a separate bin etc etc then the giant rotating MRI, I mean xray, then at the end they took my carry on for further inspection, after waiting for around 30min for my turn, it turned out because I have half full bottle of water.. I told him to toss it and just hand me the bag, he refused, and asked me to wait another 15min, then he escorted me before the TSA check point, and told me to pour the water in specific garbage/container, I did, and he left me with bag open at the beginning, so I put everything inside and wanted to pass the TSA, the guys who just saw me being escorted from the inside, refused to let me pass without doing the whole check again, so, shoes off, rotating xray, etc etc, and this time plus extra manual search or whatever it’s called, maybe because I dared to challenge their authority. The whole process took around an hour, for a half full bottle of water I bought from the airport.

This not the only story, there are many stories, like the one time they politely asked me to keep my bag at the front door of the airplane because there’s no enough space (I found inside people with three pieces tho), silly me I thought I will take it when I leave only to find they checked it, and the rest of the trip I was left with nothing but my passport (luckily I had it with me or I will be stranded), only to find some of my stuff got stolen from my bag and a broken laptop.

The first story however is the symbolization of the infamous Canadian bureaucracy in anything government wise, what something could be solved in one step quickly, gets convoluted with so many steps because who ever designed them is either out of touch of reality and needs to touch some grass, or just straight up moron, the same applies for hospitals ER btw, it’s not “short staff” as they claim, it’s just a poor process design.

mschuster91about 2 hours ago
> Upon seeing this, the experienced visitor to this sceptred isle knows to smartly turn on their heel because B45 is right behind them, but we occasional travellers don't.

Railways aren't much better. German railways are bad enough, but Eastern Europe... good luck even finding a realtime track schedule, and screw you if you don't speak the language. Last time in Rijeka there was construction going on but no indications anywhere, my fellow travellers were lucky I spoke Croatian and recognized that the attendant was shouting in Croatian for the people on what should have been a train...

ghaffabout 1 hour ago
Railways--and public transit generally--is optimized for people who speak the native language and use the system regularly and more or less ignore the jet-lagged person just off a flight who doesn't speak the language. In general, a lot of systems do a bad to terrible job of accommodating people who are unfamiliar with them.

It also doesn't help when so many countries (and even cities) have totally different systems for paying, etc. Contactless payment is simplifying some of that. But you still, for example, have the need to tap out in some places but not others. And, no, having to scour guidebooks (of possibly outdated info), for all the right incantations for a given locale isn't really satisfactory.

starky26 minutes ago
>Contactless payment is simplifying some of that. But you still, for example, have the need to tap out in some places but not others

The tapping out thing can be so confusing, even as someone that uses transit a lot. I was traveling recently and encountered buses where you had to tap in only, ones you had to tap in and out on, and ones where you had to tell the driver where you were going before tapping in. None of which had clear signage on the bus itself.

Even with my home system, at the airport I noticed they had installed extra stickers covering up the wrong way gates, and I had to tell someone where to tap their tickets when their entire family was blocking my way to the platform when trying to get home.

lifestyleguruabout 1 hour ago
You come to Croatia for cheap holidays and are surprised not all works as you're used to.

German service providers absolutely don't care if you don't speak German and will take that extra step to make sure you get the message.

raverbashingabout 1 hour ago
While I found this rant mostly annoying:

> When we try to find gate B45, we encounter the following sign:

(see board with 2 B45 gates)

Well, yes. This is wrong. And confusing. But mostly wrong

chasd00about 1 hour ago
When article says "..it's actually behind you" that leads me to believe that if you're staring at those signs then you're actually at B45. I'm not sure off the top of my head how you'd put B45 on those signs in a clear way. If B45 is at the intersection of two hallways then it really shouldn't be on either sign but then where should it be?
raverbashing15 minutes ago
You'd need a segregated entry for B45, or just omit it entirely
chasd00about 2 hours ago
This is currently the #4 story on the home page, an article about someone complaining about not being able to figure out an airport. This must be why the standard recommendation is to get to the airport 2 hours(!) before your flight.
etothepiiabout 1 hour ago
Can I recommend something concrete every time something like this happens to you?

1. Use ChatGPT (or similar) to make a fun and attractive greetings card image that is a farcical representation of the situation.

2. Use MoonPig.com (or similar) to send it through the real/royal mail to someone important (but not the CEO) at the company that has annoyed you.

This need not cost more than $6. That's almost certainly less than 1% the cost of the long haul flight that this happened on.

Everything you describe is likely a function of the CFO being allowed to treat the savings they can find as if they are a profit centre. It is incumbent upon those of us that can see a better way to demonstrate that the 5p per flight that the CFO optimised annoyed some customers enough to spend real time bringing it to someone's attention.

The first time I did this I effectively received over $2,000 from my airline of choice (though the path to that was convoluted). Most people don't react well to being told they are wrong. Use your intellect and industry to show them a better way in a positive and friendly way.

You will usually get better results and by spreading more positivity in the world will likely feel happier too.

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