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ChrisArchitectabout 1 hour ago
NickNaraghiabout 1 hour ago
I feel that more people would understand Anthropic's worldview if they read more of the public source material. Sure it is a cult, but it they have been relatively transparent with their views: https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace#basic...
mapmeld25 minutes ago
I have no inside info on this, but I believe that Anthropic's trouble with the feds really started when they delivered a presentation on EA and Constitutional AI and someone's takeaway was "this is very strange and probably 'woke'"
api34 minutes ago
I've read some of it. It's a cult. The net effect of their recommendations is to mandate a monopoly on AI, which oh so happens to be them and their friends. That's what most cults' ideologies boil down to: reasons to give more power to the cult.

Oh, of course they have good intentions. They want everyone to benefit and everyone will be equal. They'll just be a little more equal than everyone else, of course, and because they are so virtuous they will of course have more power, which they would never misuse... they're too smart and enlightened for that, so they don't need safeguards... they only need safeguards for everyone else because everyone else is obviously less enlightened...

All cults, political movements, religions, and ideologies are always like this. It boils down to more power for the leaders. If it sounds altruistic and enlightened, be extra afraid.

bigbuppo33 minutes ago
And specifically, a for-profit cult.
api29 minutes ago
All cults are for-profit in some sense. Sometimes it's not money though. Sometimes it's getting the leader(s) laid or getting them their "narcissistic supply."

I've heard tons of rumors about a get-laid angle to the Rationalist(tm) cult, but I have no first hand knowledge. Wouldn't surprise me much.

Movements and capital-I Ideologies are not your friend. They're basically all grifts. If they don't start out that way, that's what they turn into.

totallygeeky23 minutes ago
Jesus, being logged out on Twitter is a comically bad experience at this point. Can't view replies past the first one, click into anything, and now there's a big animated emoji pointing at a button? Miserable site, truly.
ipsod10 minutes ago
no worse than Reddit

not defending it, just saying, it is the status quo

cebert20 minutes ago
> Jesus, being logged out on Twitter is a comically bad experience at this point.

Uh, just log in then?

bigyabai12 minutes ago
With my real life PII? I trust Meta more at this point, fuck that.
jtbaker11 minutes ago
found the twitter street team
vb-8448about 1 hour ago
I don't know how much of current anthropic behaviour is because of the upcoming IPO but totally agree with the post: anthropic is uniquely dangerous.

But I also doubt about OAI or other big players, maybe they don't have such strong delusions of grandeur, or they're simply smarter about not showing it to everyone.

josefritzishereabout 1 hour ago
Never before has a business sector need so desperately to be federally regulated. Their financial rigor falls somewhere between suspiciously lacking and outright fraud. The claims they make about the abilities of the software, whether real or imagined, argue for regulating it like a weapons exporter.
kazinator22 minutes ago
They don't desperately need to be regulated, as such. They need to be regulated in such a way that there is a very expensive and biased certification process, which is conducted by companies that are certified to do the certifying and those companies are shell corporations owned by Anthropic and other big AI.

The actual safety rules, whatever they are, if they are put into law have to be made explicit, and that makes them easy targets to hit. But if what matter is not technical compliance, but paperwork certifying compliance, that's a different story.

sailfast28 minutes ago
I don't think Federal (US) regulation under current conditions is going to get you what you want here in terms of outcomes.

Regulated AI right now is a grift game. Donations for policy changes, and the ability to lock out competitors. Flattery to stay green-lit instead of shut down by random executive orders and policies. Bend the knee to keep shipping.

If anything, we need LESS federal regulation here and more FTC / SEC enforcement but (see above grift comments) that will also not happen in the United States until voters elect somebody that actually respects the law enough to enforce it for something other than their own gain (outside of their need to be elected, of course...)

stldevabout 1 hour ago
Right. Steal the world's information and wrap it up as a set of numbers. Convince a bunch of billionaires that those numbers are worth a trillion. Then once you realize it's just another commodity and the competition is real, aim for "too big to fail", cozy up with the gov't and hope for a bailout.
bigyabai44 minutes ago
It's gonna be real peachy when AI research backslides into a "national security" imperative to recoup their losses with defense contracts.
AlexandrBabout 1 hour ago
> That is not a tool. That is a leash.

as;dr (AI slop, didn't read)

VariousProgramsabout 1 hour ago
There are some all-timer not X but Ys in this tweet.

"A pair of 3090s, a Mac Studio, a DGX Spark, an on-prem rack, a cluster of rented H100s, or a fleet of consumer GPUs is not just hardware. It is a vote against subscription feudalism."

kazinator21 minutes ago
There is simply too much ad copy in the volume of AI training data.
bicepjaiabout 1 hour ago
Personal opinion: We are at a point where we cannot dismiss an argument because it was written using LLM and the longer message contains tropes. Observations of LLM-written content and communicating it is fine, but dismissing the argument seems irresponsible.
tfirst41 minutes ago
if the argument is good enough, it should be worth writing on your own.
quantummagic34 minutes ago
If the argument is good enough, it worth ignoring who/what the author is.
CuriouslyC36 minutes ago
If your job is important enough, it should be worth jogging to.
thewebguyd29 minutes ago
We also need to stop immediately dismissing certain writing tropes as being automatically LLM generated.

I'm re-reading an older fantasy series, and the amount of em-dashes in the text and similar tropes (you know, normal good writing) would easily be called out as "AI Slop" on this very forum, even though it was written in the early 90s.

rhdunn6 minutes ago
Look at even older writing and you'll see em-dashes there too: Edgar Allan Poe, Lucy Maud Montgomery, the Brontës, among others.

> “No, reprobate! you are a castaway—be off, or I’ll hurt you seriously! I’ll have you all modelled in wax and clay! and the first who passes the limits I fix shall—I’ll not say what he shall be done to—but, you’ll see! Go, I’m looking at you!”

-- Wuthering Heights (1847), Chapter 2, Emily Brontë.

I wonder what the frequency of AI common words like delve and other words/phrases are in Project Gutenberg, Wikipedia, and other collections.

kazinator20 minutes ago
> We are at a point where we cannot dismiss an argument because it was written using LLM

No we aren't.