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causal•about 2 hours ago
I appreciate the open source approach over the startup's sensational claims. This is more transparent.

That said, I think it still presents itself as if the fly is being controlled by the connectome, when (if I'm reading the source correctly) it's more accurate to say scripted behaviors have been hooked up to be triggered by the connectome.

Put another way, you might as well have the "escape" trigger open a YouTube video of a fly flying away. That would probably be less misleading too.

ramraj07•about 1 hour ago
I would argue that this is pretty disingenuous (as is most connectomics research I suppose) since its implying we have a fully wired connectome of the fly thats actually meaningful.
squibonpig•about 1 hour ago
Why isn't it and what do they have? I'm not really informed on this stuff.
DaiPlusPlus•about 1 hour ago
I have no exposure to connectomes - or really anything quite like this (as opposed to good ol’ fashioned perceptrons) - so forgive my following uninformed question:

Can someone explain if this software is ethical?

janalsncm•about 1 hour ago
> Can someone explain if this software is ethical?

Probably not. People have been coming up with ethical frameworks for thousands of years and we have yet to come to a consensus.

So it’s very unlikely that someone can say conclusively whether this is ethical or not, because that would require us to either 1) prove a single ethical framework is correct and then apply that framework to this software or 2) prove that under all possible ethical frameworks this software is either ethical or not ethical.

_def•about 1 hour ago
Genuinely curious, is there like a simple list of competing ethical frameworks?
janalsncm•about 1 hour ago
There’s a list here, not sure if it’s the best one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_ethics
jasonjayr•about 1 hour ago
Not to drop any spoilers (hide this comment before reading further ....)

But "The Amazing Digital Circus" explores this concept relating to human brain scans, and how the 'simulated' brains would react under simulation.

viccis•36 minutes ago
Honestly pretty funny that you gave a (fairly useless) metaethical answer instead of responding to the actual meaning, which was clearly soliciting ethical judgments about it.
jephs•about 1 hour ago
If your circle of empathy includes fruit flies, fuck no, we murdered so many of those guys to figure out how their tiny brains work.

If you do not think of fruit flies as moral patients, sure, yeah, who cares, they're like just fruit flies you know?

ramraj07•about 1 hour ago
Why do you think it wont be?
twothreeone•36 minutes ago
Well, one obvious question is if the simulated brain experiences pain, or more generally can it suffer? And if so, how would we tell.
a1o•about 2 hours ago
> What's modeled vs. measured

> Honesty section:

I wouldn’t mind an human written README

vhantz•about 1 hour ago
> live *spiking* simulation
qingcharles•38 minutes ago
At some point in the future would it be possible to simply download a DNA sequence of an entire animal as a "ROM" and boot it into a virtual "reality"?

What detail level of reality would we have to emulate for an egg to grow into an adult animal?

pavel_lishin•about 2 hours ago
Ah, Mr. Acevedo, nice to see you.
aperrien•about 2 hours ago
Interesting work! There's NeuroMechFly (https://github.com/NeLy-EPFL/flygym/) available, you might try using that to simulate the fly body in real time as well.
dekhn•40 minutes ago
It's weird to write MacOS specific software in this era.
bigyabai•34 minutes ago
The unstoppable "rewrite it in Swift!" vs the insurmountable "where's the Windows version?"
uniq7•about 3 hours ago
No demo video?
davidkwast•about 2 hours ago
I just found this video on YouTube now:

https://youtu.be/A8fDr7Rr7yM?is=cHwOQVrli9oXLdqY

yreg•about 2 hours ago
That doesn't show this project.
hmokiguess•about 2 hours ago
Open to see what it was about, stayed for the banger soundtrack
tedd4u•34 minutes ago
FYI it takes less than 30 seconds do clone, build, and run.
UltraSane•13 minutes ago
If you have a mac. I don't.
kypro•about 1 hour ago
Oh nice, might use this to create some art for my home.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfi-9Vsl-u/

> Infinite Pain is a computer running a deterministic neural simulation of a microscopic nematode worm’s brain (c. elegans), subjected to regular pain stimuli.

_def•about 1 hour ago
actionfromafar•about 3 hours ago
Now this is real AI.
bitwize•about 2 hours ago
This is straight up ghost-dubbing.
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logicallee•about 1 hour ago
This is absolutely astounding. What an implementation. A connectome is like a full brain scan!

I am asking Claude to port this to the browser and I'll host it, so you can try it without installing anything.

Some details about the port: Claude is able to do porting tasks like this. I'll put up a link when you can try it in your browser. I was able to get it to port the complete BitNet b1.58 2-billion parameter model several versions ago (in February, so this would have been Opus 4.5) to browser, so it can do so. This will run on the browser. I'll have it make it so that on mobile you can tap the fly or turn on the camera and it sees you, and same on desktop actually. Since the connectome is only 668 neurons, this will run super fast. Actually I'll make it allow for several flies, and let you drop food. I did something like this before here[1] but using the real connectome is something very different and very amazing. I'll have it add an experimental 3D mode with threejs, I'm not sure if that is also possible or not, we'll have to see it. This size of task usually takes Claude a few hours, so check my comment in the morning for the implementation, I'll reply here once it's done and hosted.

[1] https://stateofutopia.com/papers/1/evolving-brains-cull-long...