Xorg-Server 26.0.99.901

throw0101d•about 3 hours ago

The mention of XQuartz (for macOS) reminded me to check that, and 2.8.6 was released mid-July:

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/bare/XQuartz-2.8.6.html

Previously 2.8.5 was out in 2023:

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/bare/XQuartz-2.8.5.html

There's a XQuartz 2.8.7 beta as well (xorg-server 26.1 rebase):

* https://www.xquartz.org/releases/index.html

egorfine•about 2 hours ago

omg, it's been over a decade since I have last used XQuartz. Did they finally open source the whole quartz-wm?

throw0101d•about 2 hours ago

> An XQuartz installation consists of many individual pieces of software which have various licenses. The X.Org software components’ licenses are discussed on the X.Org Foundation Licenses page.[1] The quartz-wm[2] window manager included with the XQuartz distribution uses the Apple Public Source License Version 2.[3]

* https://www.xquartz.org/index.html

panzi•about 2 hours ago

Just looked it up, that Apple license is indeed approved as open source/free software by the FSF and OSI!

egorfine•about 1 hour ago

Ah, I can see that the binary blob is not needed anymore. Nice.

tyzoid•about 2 hours ago

Isn't most of this already in xlibre?

nazgulsenpai•about 2 hours ago

People have all kind of opinions about xlibre as a project and the politics around it that I'm not interested in, but if they're driving xorg to improve, that's a good thing.

I'm not some anti-wayland zealot but you will pry xfce out of my cold dead hands.

tomstockmail•about 1 hour ago

Xorg has had releases for years and will continue to do so. But as you can see in the announcement, enterprise users are the driving factor.

nazgulsenpai•about 1 hour ago

Yeah, but they haven't added any features in years, from what I assumed to be a maintenance only/feature frozen stance in favor of Wayland, which is (primarily) why xlibre forked.

wing-_-nuts•about 1 hour ago

>I'm not some anti-wayland zealot but you will pry xfce out of my cold dead hands.

Hard same. I'm using xfce on my laptop with mint xfce edition, and it's a breath of fresh air. Everything just works how you'd expect it to work, and it gets out of your way.

I tried sway a couple years ago and I lost count of the number of things I needed to go and find wayland specific workarounds for. I know things have gotten better since then, but I didn't see any benefit to switching and a whole lot of hassle.

abenga•about 2 hours ago

Even xfce will one day move to Wayland.

wing-_-nuts•about 1 hour ago

With a project as user/dev hostile as wayland, it's much better to be a 'last mover' than first.

For the life of me, I'll never understand how wayland got traction with the community.

'Hey guys, we decided to implement a display server from scratch! We broke a ton of existing functionality and made a ton of low level stuff that X used to handle the responsibility of WM/DE devs!'

boudin•about 1 hour ago

There's already and experimental support no?

nazgulsenpai•about 2 hours ago

And I'll be there.

kobbs•about 3 hours ago

Intel modesetting driver with tearfree support in a xorg release!

jck86•40 minutes ago

Hoorah! Hopefully big distros will at least offer an optional upgrade to this.

I'm all for people switching to wayland but there should be choice and xorg should not be neglected for ideological reasons.

dralley•34 minutes ago

Xorg isn't neglected for "ideological reasons", it's neglected because development is work - and most of the people with knowledge of the problem domain decided they didn't want to work on Xorg anymore, and most of the companies that were paying for it decided they didn't want to pay for it anymore (apart from baseline maintenance, Xwayland and security fixes). And the people who want Xorg support maintained in perpetuity rarely seem interested in maintaining Xorg themselves, at least not properly (see this history of Xlibre introducing bugs and LLM slop).

You are free to spend your own time and resources doing the work, but you don't get to dictate how other people spend theirs.

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