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dolmenabout 1 hour ago
What an awful blog renderer that, in Firefox, works when scrolling with the trackpad, but doesn't work when using keyboard arrow keys or pageUp/down: I get blank pages when scrolling with the keyboard beyond the initial viewport.
hibbelig11 minutes ago
Oh yes. I discovered that there are two scrollbars. By clicking somewhere in the blog text, you activate the inner one and then scrolling with the keyboard works.
andout_33 minutes ago
Sorry about that - just pushed a fix :)
bartvkabout 1 hour ago
I thought it was just me. Super weird.
klausa41 minutes ago
Wow, that's actually an impressive new failure mode; and it happens on Safari too.
pranav_tech2628 minutes ago
Rebuilding MicroVMs natively on Apple Silicon usually cuts virtualization overhead massively, but Hypervisor.framework DX and virtio device parity are the real bottlenecks.
bittermandelabout 1 hour ago
By experience, getting Firecracker to run well on M-series macs is quite the undertaking. I'm not at all surprised Encore decided to take this path considering their customer base!

At Lovable we decided to spend ~1 engineering month getting our sandbox infrastructure to be 100% runnable on Mac and on Linux with predictable builds using Bazel etc.

But we actively decided to take a different route than Encore and run nested virtualization, which on macOS means vfkit -> QEMU -> Kind + Firecracker vm(s). It's been invaluable to get the same development and testing tools on both platforms tbh.

arpitaks16 minutes ago
Very hard to read
huerneabout 2 hours ago
VZ.framework is very limited, Hypervisor.framework is the better analogue to KVM
jdubabout 2 hours ago
Virtualization.framework isn't particularly limited, for what it is... given they're using Firecracker on Linux, it makes sense to use a similarly high level API on macOS.

(One could add a Hypervisor.framework backend to Firecracker, though I'd be surprised if AWS accepted it.)

kombineabout 2 hours ago
> most engineers at Encore develop on a Mac

They are solving the wrong problem.

UqWBcuFx6NV4rabout 1 hour ago
Hacker News is so utterly detached from reality at times, and comments like these really drive that home.
mathisfun123about 1 hour ago
Most tech people are utterly detached from reality so that definitely tracks
rob_cabout 2 hours ago
No, they're realists.

Plus show me an off the shelf solution to MDM that exists in the Linux space? (Not too mention an easy to buy consumer devices which supports suspend/resume correctly in 2026, not even Windows can do that any more)

Apple is crap and evil about many things, but at least here they know their paying audience...

esseph7 minutes ago
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mhastabout 1 hour ago
One case where Apple can be very useful is if you're traveling a lot for work.

Wherever you are you can probably find a local store that sells and services Macbooks. So if your machine is damaged during a trip you can get it fixed, or buy a replacement on the spot, and at least get through the work you are there to do.

For small-ish companies that can be a very useful feature.

elAhmoabout 1 hour ago
Buying on the spot - sure. Anything that requires repair has to be usually booked in advance with some waiting time. Relatively short, usually days, but still not really possible to go into the store and get your laptop fixed right away in most cases.
ErroneousBoshabout 1 hour ago
Why wouldn't you do that with any other platform?

Buy any laptop, stick Linux on it, get working.

Buy a cheap shitty Chromebook, ssh to your dev platform, give it to some school child who doesn't have a laptop when you get your real one back.

You don't need to be locked into Apple's ecosystem for that.

asdf88990about 1 hour ago
Lots of Lenavo laptops do just fine, but Apple hardware is still supreme for what it is worth.
MadsRCabout 1 hour ago
FleetDM comes to mind
andout_about 1 hour ago
Hey everyone - author of the article here! Happy to take questions.
bojangleslover6 minutes ago
This is unbelievably cool. How did you use AI for this? Absolutely not suggesting there's anything wrong with it - quite the contrary. I find AI is most useful for these lower level driver type projects such as yours that one knows are possible but that would be very onerous for a human to implement. For example the guy who re-wrote a driver from scratch for his HP Printer the other day.

Do you think you could have done this without AI? I've been migrating people off of AWS recently and it was absolutely made possible (or at least expedient) by AI.

jiqirenabout 1 hour ago
"You can even get /dev/kvm inside a Linux VM on an M3 or later running macOS 15, which runs Firecracker unmodified."

I'm very confused why any SWE is on a M1 or M2 Mac. I've always gotten a new machine at $CORP every 2 years...

isodev33 minutes ago
Because prices? Have you seen how much Apple products cost these days?

Also, M1/M2 are perfectly fine and capable hardware. It's hard to justify the upgrade outside some artificial constraints Apple would bring in with a macOS update.

twalla31 minutes ago
You’d be surprised. I got an absolute boat anchor of a 2019 MacBook when I started a job in early 2022. I requested a new one in late 2023 because company policy is to refresh laptops every 4 years - whoever was on the other end of my support ticket interpreted the policy as four years from issuance and denied me.
dijit43 minutes ago
it's pretty common to be running a 4 year old computer in most companies I've worked.

I think they plan for 3 years but in reality it becomes closer to 4 (because they don't plan the refresh during the actual hardware refresh cycle, so you'll end up with a computer that was released in September the year before in like August the year after).

I've never worked anywhere that replaced my computer after 2 years.

jml7839 minutes ago
I am on an M1 macbook pro. My company will upgrade me anytime I want.

I haven’t asked because my current laptop is more than ok.

nxc1837 minutes ago
Things were painful in the Intel era but I’m on M1 Mac and I’d have a really hard time justifying a request for an upgrade. I absolutely detested my old Intel MacBook (touchbar era) and couldn’t wait to get rid of it.

I run bloated slow electron apps and chrome all day, generally with profligate usage patterns, and things hardly ever slow down even with corporate antimalware. Sometimes I forget about having left Windows VMs running in the background.

Anyway, why would my company spend $2500+ every two years to turn instant into instant?

jonathanlydall42 minutes ago
I'm very surprised you feel it's a given that every SWE at every company has the perk of getting a new machine as quickly as every 2 years, I doubt it's justified by the productivity increases of just 2 years of hardware improvements.
bit_rot73about 2 hours ago
Four years on a shared remote machine before building the local backend is a good lesson in when to invest in dev tooling versus living with the workaround.
github_vibeabout 2 hours ago
I just encountered the `com.apple.private.virtualization` entitlement limitation just last night, wanting to use VZVirtualMachine private AccessorEndpoint api. There's lot of useful stuff hidden in Apple's Private API space.

Great write up! I enjoy seeing others working in the same problem space.

techpressionabout 1 hour ago
I think Encore is great and do really cool things, but this post is AI;DR from the first sentence.
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