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nullbio•about 1 hour ago
Context pollution and rot are probably more important than memory, because facts can usually be retrieved if the agent is good at following breadcrumbs.

What's also the biggest killer is code rot. Agents are particularly good at death by thousand cuts. They implement something poorly, or incorrectly, or introduce a bad pattern into the project. Then they continue to amplify that badness over time, as they continue to copy from it on subsequent work. It spreads like a virus.

Keeping these seeds out of the project is very difficult, and cleaning up the rot is very difficult. It also seems like a hard problem to solve because following the existing codebase is something that is good when the code is good, but bad when it is bad. So, seemingly, the solution means more thinking and evaluation for every change that is being made.

gdad•about 1 hour ago
Truly. Doing this for coding agents is an interesting and different shaped problem.
samyakk•about 3 hours ago
ACM, that's the term that I'd been looking for - and your paper explains it clearly. At the end, most of LLM problems are context problems. Getting the correct knowledge into its context window without overpopulating it is the actual engineering effort for most agents. And the solution you present seems promising.

Both compaction with validation and predictive fetching are the way to go.

I do not want to write an implementation for this myself, and if Synap is that implementation, I'd like to ask you a few questions: 1. Does it work with context that's not just agent conversations, but rather documents? 2. Is it better than RAG on large dataset? 3. What does on-prem options look like?

gdad•about 1 hour ago
Thanks Samyakk!

1. Yes, works on docs, agent conversations, human-conversations from different sources (Slack, JIRA, etc.). We have connectors for some of these as well; so it is plug and play 2. conventional RAG recall accuracy is quite low (50-60%) and latency is pretty high (seconds). But worst is the precision; you end up context stuffing to get acceptable recall 3. We do offer on-prem deployments, but only on sizeable annual contracts

melembre•about 1 hour ago
Context drift on retries is easily the most annoying part of this setup. Locking down the tool payload schema first was the only thing that worked for us
respectattentio•about 3 hours ago
I like to start with memory engineering then reach full system then reducing costs. This allows unlocking full potential of agents.
gdad•about 1 hour ago
Interesting. Where can I read more about this?
gdad•about 5 hours ago
oliver236•about 2 hours ago
your website isnt working
gdad•about 1 hour ago
Apologies. Should be working now.
miranaproarrow•about 1 hour ago
Ive never read a paper cover to cover before but after wrestling with opus 5s english this paper is such a relief to read, its like my eyes has been washed off opus stink
gdad•about 1 hour ago
Haha! I am going to put this one up as a win! Thanks for reading! Hope you found it useful.
laluser•17 minutes ago
Yet, it is full of AI slop one-liners like: "The contest ahead is not over who stores the most data; it is over who manages context the best".