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iamnothereabout 3 hours ago
Everyone’s missing the big picture here which is that this targeting of infrastructure providers as “terrorists” is unprecedented and concerning: https://decode39.com/16319/autistici-inventati-case-sets-a-n...

If a radical group sets up shop on I2P, are I2P users and devs now terrorists? This is a problem.

What about Monero users/devs? Veilid? Tox? Signal?

foulabout 2 hours ago
It is not unprecedented, but a lot of fools lauded moves like this when these kind of instruments were used with barely a legal net around them against islamic terrorism or cybercrime.

I'm not crying for no Al-Qaeda or 8chan, mind you. In this very year UN and ICJ officials have been targeted in a similar fashion though. When the pax americana ends like this, I don't know what else is needed for EU and Asia to raise tougher walls around the woes of any idiot hyped enough to be voted by USA citizens.

inigyou32 minutes ago
I think the same people who opposed a/i sanctions (not AI sanctions but they're really missing out by not exploiting that confusion) also opposed sanctions for """islamic terrorism""" and for """cybercrime""".
busterarm23 minutes ago
You mean like when cloudflare was pressured by the government(s) to terminate daily stormer?
fchicken16 minutes ago
> 8chan

8chan didn't even do shit

fchicken17 minutes ago
It's just incredible how spiteful the federal government is towards its constituency
GolfPopper16 minutes ago
Not really. It's not like they're going after actual terrorists.
dpc050505about 2 hours ago
Monero is delisted from exchanges in Canada because the anonymity makes it impossible to comply with anti-money laundering regulations. It makes it a lot harder to acquire the coins or to turn them into liquidity. The government is also going hard against encryption with law c-22, which will make Signal stop providing service in the country.
sroussey18 minutes ago
They will only catch the amateurs. But they can pat themselves on the back I guess that did something.
fchicken16 minutes ago
Poor government has to fight crime the old fashioned way.

Ridiculous.

tptacekabout 3 hours ago
If you have real operational security concerns, your provider shouldn't know anything about you; should in fact have bilateral shielding between themselves and you to prevent either counterparty from learning stuff. That's how Signal works.
AnonC9 minutes ago
But Signal requires a working phone number for registration and it knows the phone number. The backend could be modified at any time to store this somewhere else while maintaining end to end encryption between the two parties communicating on it. How can Signal prove continuously that it doesn’t store or disseminate the phone number? I know in past precedent it has told courts that it only has very limited information (date of account creation and the last time of account access).
inigyou31 minutes ago
Impossible for a public thing though, noblogs.org will always be traceable to where noblogs.org is hosted because that's how the packets get there.

You can maintain much better opsec in a two way communication than a broadcast.

kraken_cultabout 3 hours ago
Isn't it just as likely they are using facebook, instagram, and tiktok?
quickthrowman40 minutes ago
I checked for an official PKK YouTube channel. I found that they don’t have one as they’re a designated foreign terrorist organization* and Google complies with that designation by not allowing them an official presence. Unsure about the others but I doubt any of those companies would allow an official account. Probably individuals that belong to that group have accounts but I don’t know that for sure.

* I did not make the designation, I know nothing about the PKK, I am only referencing it.

exiguusabout 4 hours ago
There is also an article on we will free us [1] if you want to dive deeper into that rabbit hole.

[1] https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe...

badsectoraculaabout 3 hours ago
The article is quite long, but these two give a brief idea of what is going on:

a) According to that article, what it seems they are about:

> Its manifesto describes the project in explicitly political terms. A/I is antifascist, anti-capitalist and antimilitarist. It promotes free software, encryption, pseudonymity and the independent circulation of knowledge and cultural work. It reserves its limited, volunteer-run resources for people and projects broadly compatible with those principles rather than businesses, political parties, organized religions or institutions already possessing the means to make themselves heard.

b) And the issue U.S. has with them:

> The United States alleges that A/I supplies specialized digital architecture, encrypted communications and hosting to antifascist groups and other radical movements, including organizations already designated by the United States.

OKRainbowKidabout 2 hours ago
So anti-fascism ist deemed an extreme movement by the US government? What does that say about them?
kakacik8 minutes ago
Well, you picked up one term they throw around. Anti-capitalist is another - they oppose the very system they are trying to use and exist within. Maybe not violently, but hardly can one expect sympathies, especially from system itself.

They also support ie PPK. There is this general sentence in law:

> Providing financial, material, or technological support for, or goods and services to or in support of, an act of terrorism.

Any state, EU including, treats such entities with utmost hostility. I have no stance on Israel vs Palestine topic (as in, both sides are abhorable to the core and none is better for different reasons) but to expect any form of kindness to such entity in the very system they are against is... out of touch with reality.

An action very much expected and in line regardless of who is currently in power - if not please explain to me / others why I see things incorrectly.

KPGv228 minutes ago
Looks like you missed it when the US did this exact thing a year ago

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi...

xienzeabout 2 hours ago
Just because you call yourself the "Anti-Badguys Group" doesn't mean you can't commit acts of terrorism.
AndrewKemendoabout 4 hours ago
Seems like this should be a/the top level link
Avicebronabout 4 hours ago
I clicked around a bit, read the manifesto, I still have no idea what these people do. I guess they claim to have been around for a while, but a bunch of the links don't work and the manifesto has definitely been updated to reflect 2026 opinions.

What is this?

NoboruWatayaabout 4 hours ago
The "About" page seems fairly clear:

> A/I was born over 20 years ago to provide internet support (through website hosting, e-mail accounts, mailing lists, chat, blogs, and much more) to activists and collectives coming from the world of grassroot and social movements.

john_strinlaiabout 4 hours ago
i thought the page says it pretty clearly.

they are a group of people providing services to activists. services include email, web hosting, chat, and other anonymity services. (see https://www.inventati.org/services/)

pietervdvnabout 4 hours ago
They host blogs and email used by many activists.
gwbas1cabout 3 hours ago
Did you click on https://www.inventati.org/about ? (I also tried reading the manifesto first.)

From it:

> We support individuals, collectives, communities and groups whose political and social activities fit within this worldview and who share with us some fundamental principles: anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-militarism

I suspect they have some "not mainstream" political views; although I think understanding what these views are requires more in-depth reading of the blogs that they host.

jmalicki13 minutes ago
Yeah, that says pretty much nothing about what they do. It reads like an enterprise tech company webpage saying "we provide solutions to help transform your company into the digital age".
mdp202133 minutes ago
> some "not mainstream" political views

I would say they are pretty "mainstream" (or very widespread) in some territories. I have seen bartenders wearing those 'anti-' terms on their t-shirts at work.

dudefeliciano6 minutes ago
It’s a sad day when antifascism is considered not mainstream
jpcflabout 3 hours ago
It is intentionally vague. From the State Dept:

> The A/I Collective exclusively offers its tools and services to radical left-wing actors and manually vets all potential users for ideological affinity before granting them access to its infrastructure.

napoluxabout 4 hours ago
Autistici/Inventati is an Italian collective, active since around 2001, that runs free digital services for activists, grassroots groups and anyone who wants to communicate without being profiled.

It provides email accounts, mailing lists, blogs, websites, chat and VPN access.

flumpcakesabout 1 hour ago
Is it truly anyone, or only anyone that politically aligns with them?
dudefeliciano5 minutes ago
Obviously not to fascists, and if you look at their website they make it very clear that you need to align ideologically and explain why and how you will use their services
collabsabout 4 hours ago
For those like me who don't have context, here is the New York Times article on this recent news / event

https://archive.fo/e8Gss

> The State Department on Wednesday designated three groups based in Europe, including two that advocate Palestinian rights, as transnational terrorist organizations.

> The move is part of the Trump administration’s fight against what it calls a “resurgence of far-left political terrorism” worldwide, a focus that many security experts say is disproportionate.

> In a statement, the department said that it would impose sanctions on Palestine Action, which is based in Britain and organizes acts of support for Palestinians and opposition to Israeli policies; Masar Badil, another pro-Palestinian group with branches in Western Europe and Canada; and Autistici/Inventati, known as A/I Collective, which is based in Italy and offers free digital tools to leftist activists around the world.

a/I collective in the OP is the third on this list.

> based in Italy and offers free digital tools to leftist activists around the world

graemepabout 2 hours ago
Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft (the article says they sprayed paint, but does not say it was sprayed inside jet engines, rendering them inoperable). Masar Badil supports "armed struggle". One of the other groups ("hammer") recently designated a terrorist group (and linked to A/I Collective in another article I read ) got its name by attacking people in Germany with hammers.

Designating A/I Collective a terrorist group is different as it is not directly supporting violence, but it is providing free services to people who do, and it says it provides services to groups its aim is to "provide support exclusively to individuals or groups we feel we have an affinity with.". On the other hand their terms forbid "military use" which is broadly defined enough to rule out terrorism.

I think its likely they do have sympathy for violent groups, n the other hand, unless they have been going out of their way to support violence in some way I do not see reasonable grounds for banning them. Lots of commercial services have dodgy users. My fear is that is is heading in the direction of "if you do not hand info to the US authorities on demand you will be deemed a terrorist"

deauxabout 2 hours ago
> I think its likely they do have sympathy for violent groups

The US regime is an extremely violent group, so I that's certainly the issue.

giraffe_lady29 minutes ago
> Palestine Action has been designated a terrorist group in the UK as well after sabotaging military aircraft

This is already an extreme perversion of justice all on its own. Damaging military equipment is absolutely outside any useful definition of terrorism. This is simply armed conflict.

graemep14 minutes ago
Damaging property for political ends has been part of the definition in the UK, and I think the US, for decades. I would say the case for targetting military equipment is stronger than for damaging most other things.

> This is simply armed conflict.

Armed conflict by residents and citizens against the state is usually a serious criminal offense everywhere.

AnimalMuppet8 minutes ago
Are you sure you want to say it's armed conflict? That makes it legitimate to kill members of Palestine Action.
flumpcakesabout 1 hour ago
You have a very nuanced take that I broadly agree with. I would add that they were probably targeted for political reasons, it's not like the current administration is going out of their way to tackle right wing "terrorism".
galonkabout 4 hours ago
Thank you! Kind of nuts they posted this with that title but no explanation.
bsian19 minutes ago
In threads about the Russian war if you mention that the US has done worse your comments are removed and people complain about "whataboutism".

In this thread, on the other hand, people keep bringing up that the US has done worse but those comments are upvoted and there is no mention of "whataboutism" in the entire thread.

senderista14 minutes ago
the asymmetric deployment of "whataboutism!" is hypocrisy about hypocrisy
grim_ioabout 3 hours ago
I guess bombing them got some pushback.

Everyone's a terrorist nowadays.

gnuplustoejamabout 2 hours ago
Remember when HN was cheering on wiping Parler from the Internet via App Store manipulation, justified by vague "TOS" violations?
fg13733 minutes ago
I think these are very different things, private company's actions vs government actions.

"HN cheering", true or not, doesn't really matter in the end, either.

inigyouabout 1 hour ago
Do you see how a removal from a private app store, while bad, is different from an arrest or a sanction?
zmgsabst30 minutes ago
Parler experienced a government coordinated shutdown across app stores and infrastructure providers like AWS.

I’m not sure what distinction you’re trying to make, when their infrastructure (AWS) was shut off due to the government labeling them terrorists due to some users (who Parler had banned) using the service.

inigyou26 minutes ago
Did the government force AWS to shut them off or just ask nicely? Hard to say. Any message from the government comes with implied threats. We'd only find it which was the case, if AWS had refused and the government had either punished AWS or not.

Can you see how it's different from an explicit sanction or an arrest?

dudefeliciano8 minutes ago
The question stays the same: “are you antifa or are you fa?”
xyzal27 minutes ago
What the group needs now is at least some support from all of us.

Please consider sending a small donation if you live outside the US.

https://www.inventati.org/donate

https://en.liberapay.com/autistici.org/

Streisand effect FTW!

subvolabout 3 hours ago
seems like PIR (the .org registry) now also suspended their main domain: https://www.whois.com/whois/autistici.org (it is on serverHold)
hamburgaabout 3 hours ago
As far as I can tell, there were no credible criminal charges against this group, except that they are effective organizers on the opposite side of political spectrum. In the White House’s deranged logic, this qualifies them to be officially designated as domestic terrorists [1].

Can we all agree that this is an assault on the First Amendment?

[1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/desi...

inigyou44 minutes ago
The first amendment only applies inside the US. The US is allowed to cancel the speech of foreigners.
actionfromafar4 minutes ago
And murder foreigners, of course. It's allowed in the Constitution!
CMayabout 2 hours ago
I don't know, but they did say a month or two ago that they discovered Iran pivoted from funding their normal terrorist groups in the west since the US and EU cracked down on it so hard domestically, to funding more radical leftist groups since politicians were turning a blind eye to them.

Given the timing around putting economic pressure on Iran, I'm assuming that they had some financial connection to Iran.

senderista12 minutes ago
That seems hugely speculative without any supporting evidence.
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ChrisArchitectabout 3 hours ago
Actual link: https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076

Title: A Statement by A/I Collective About US Sanctions

AndrewKemendoabout 4 hours ago
Seems like a great organization

Streisand effect at work again

inigyouabout 1 hour ago
Yep I just donated $1000
aliasxneo18 minutes ago
Can I ask what you're hoping the organization does with that money? I'm genuinely interested in understanding what the expected outcome is.
AndrewKemendo36 minutes ago
Nice! That’s genuinely worth praise
JohnTHallerabout 3 hours ago
Given administration's obsession with Antifa being in the room with them at all times, it's impossible to take anything they say in relation to this as even close to factual.
mindslightabout 3 hours ago
Keep in mind we're talking about communications services here, and one focusing on political speech at that.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In general I think the free lunch of centrally hosted services and persistent doxxable identities is nearing a close. It was inevitable that governments would meddle more, and more, and more - implicitly treating communications are something other than speech due to how encompassing the digital world has become - and now here we are.

nonethewiserabout 2 hours ago
There is the absolutely perfect Supreme Court case that ruled against your theory.

Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/561/1

There is a law (18 U.S.C. § 2339B) that says you cant knowingly provide material support for designated foreign terrorist organizations. A law firm wanted to provide financial support and legal services to some, including the PKK (the same group A/I was accused of helping). They argued the federal law violated their first amendment rights.

The court concludes that the first amendment doesn't protect your ability to provide material support including services and communication equipment and the law still stands today.

Im curious. How would you argue the first amendment protects knowingly providing material support to designated foreign terrorist organizations?

GolfPopperabout 3 hours ago
The current United States government is very keen on pushing the idea that there is a vast and shadowy international left-wing conspiracy waging war on it.

This is, to be clear, lying nonsense.

mrguyoramaabout 2 hours ago
And despite it being transparent garbage, millions of Americans are eagerly lapping up Red Scare 2.0
CMayabout 1 hour ago
It was only true all the other times over the past 100 years, but not this time! Trust me, I'm an expert of all world secrets, but somehow no government has hired me to get my opinion! This is nothing like back in the 70s when leftists were causing 5 bombings every single day inside the US. Gosh, we're in the future now compared to then!

China might execute more people than the rest of the world combined, be interfering in the world at historic levels, building out its military with unprecedented speed and cooperating with cartels to gain control in South America while flooding the US with lethal drugs, but they don't count, because I make the rules!

Iran and communist billionaires might be funding leftist violence inside the US, but who cares, violence is legal protest, right?

The numerous successful and unsuccessful assassination attempts against conservatives don't count either, because assassination for political reasons isn't terrorism... probably? That's like, some other kind of thing!

And remember, if we caught it before it happened, it doesn't count cause I say so.

ChrisArchitectabout 3 hours ago
Related discussions:

US sanctions Italian hosting provider Autistici Inventati

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49451343

US Government designates host of noblogs.org a "global terrorist"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49464391

rvzabout 3 hours ago
> Our financial strategy relies exclusively on voluntary donations.

That is not a sustainable strategy in the long term. Sure after this news they will get lots of donations, but long term it is not something that is realistic.

Since they are now "sanctioned" by the US you cannot legally donate to them even if you wanted to...*[0]

[0] *Unless you now know why this collective needs crypto more than ever.

john_strinlaiabout 3 hours ago
>That is not a sustainable strategy in the long term

they've been around 25 years, which is nothing to sneeze at

xyzal13 minutes ago
> Since they are now "sanctioned" by the US you cannot legally donate to them even if you wanted to...*[0]

There are many of us who do not live in the US, so many still can. Just not through paypal.

tokaiabout 3 hours ago
Maybe they should try couping the Italian government, rename themselves to Ragazzi Orgogliosi. That should help.
aeon_aiabout 4 hours ago
https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10076 - Direct link to the sanctions declaration.

The actual Treasury Announce here - https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0616/

"The Autistici Inventati is an Italy-based far-left organization that provides a range of technological tools and services to violent left-wing extremist groups, including website hosting on foreign servers, encrypted email accounts, chat and video conferencing, and digital architecture associated with its “Noblogs” platform. Autistici Inventati identifies itself as an “anti-fascist” and “anti-militarist” organization opposed to capitalism and exclusively provides its services to vetted individuals, collectives, and groups it perceives to be aligned with its ideology, including to sanctioned terrorist organizations such as the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has been designated by the United States, United Kingdom, and European Union for its use of terrorist tactics leading to thousands of deaths in Türkiye, Iraq, and Syria since its establishment in 1984.

Autistici Inventati is being designated pursuant to E.O. 13224, as amended, for having materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, or technological support for, or goods and services to or in support of, an act of terrorism."

32ikUabout 3 hours ago
How quaint. The MEK (Iranian People's Mudjahheddin) were designated as a terrorist organization but collected money in EU streets all the time. Now they are useful against Khamenei.

The US would also like to use the equivalent of the PKK in the large Kurdish part of Iran against Khamenei.

Nothing to say of using the PKK rebranding of SDF in Syria as well as receiving "global terrorist" Al Jolani in the White House.

epolanskiabout 3 hours ago
What does it entail, in practice?

They are sanctioned, okay, and? What happens practically.

apopapoabout 2 hours ago
They will become pariahs financially speaking. Nobody will be authorized to wire money to/from them. It's brutal.
mdp20215 minutes ago
> Nobody

In the USA - the consequences should be only related to USA pertinent actors. The newspapers in Italy say, "there is no judgement against them in Italy".

tokaiabout 3 hours ago
Anything between having their google profiles deleted to abducted and tortured at a CIA blacksite.
john_strinlaiabout 3 hours ago
in this case, it mostly means trouble getting money, as they are funded via donations
actionfromafarabout 2 hours ago
criddellabout 3 hours ago
The consequences may include the loss of:

  • Bank accounts and payment processing.
  • U.S.-linked donations and fundraising services.
  • Hosting, cloud infrastructure and upstream network services.
  • Domain registration and related technical services.
  • Certificate, security and email-delivery accounts.
  • Software and communications services.
  • Relationships with non-U.S. providers frightened by American secondary   sanctions.
  • Access for people in the United States who currently use A/I’s services.
https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe...
mrtesthahabout 3 hours ago
My question now is whether European hosting providers sprouting up in the face of the US CLOUD act will step up to provide those services.
inigyou38 minutes ago
No, because they don't want to be banned from banks. With few exceptions, the US has power over all global financial systems. Also tier 1 ISPs (even the European ones), which trickles down to all ISPs.
someguydave21 minutes ago
Do you think many banks worldwide would enjoy declaring themselves the enemies of the US government in order to assist left-wing lunatics?
shadowtreeabout 2 hours ago
Pendulum in full swing. "Far-Right" groups have been sanctioned, de-banked, doxxed globally for the last 20 years. Now it is hitting the "far-left".

Fascism is reaction - Benito Mussolini.

Jackpillar42 minutes ago
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OKRainbowKidabout 2 hours ago
Anti-fascism is reaction to fascism, it's in the name, even.
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