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Nothing is forever i suppose, doesn't make it hurt any less though.
[1] https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/fdrive
[2] https://www.filestash.app/docs/plugin
docs are still a little rough around the edges - ill get to it this week - but the architecture is brilliant and very malleable.
- the idea is that config is deterministic at the lowest layers and managed by template engines
- business logic is powered by AI at the highest level
- the harness is the config, the project structure
- there are some insanely unique things about this project
- for starters, the dependencies auto update themselves so that you get to scaffold the latest version of eslint, biome, pg or whatever you want at all times
- all the commits are granular so that you can reorder, rebase, combine them in any order and even branch off and remove commits meaning the final project will have 500 commits instead of a 1 commit with 40000 changes like how 99% of the github templates do
- i am focused on a vertical instead of a broad set of solutions for all sorts of frameworks like pick the ones used by 80% of the people
- fully customizable semi deterministic production grade app is generated with tests run inside docker and you get a working project with 500 things set up right at point 0 before it even goes to the AI agent
I think frameworks would mutate to be agentic - they'll come with skills and documentation targeted to LLM agents, and they'll have far more breadth than anything we've seen, a certain lack of restraint, and will sacrifice composability and orthogonality because they are no longer useful for agents.
The framework I'm building - plug: https://sapporta.com - brings in a set of UI choices (datagrids for every table) and a set of API choices (everything exposed to agents) which is not typical to classical frameworks. If you're building database applications, it contains most of the things that a typical NoCode tool would have, but with complete code and the ability for agents to build upon it.
I think Sapporta is one of the first frameworks with this point of view, but it has only been a few months since Opus 4.8, and I think in the coming months we'll see a lot more vertically integrated horizontal frameworks (the solid base) that can get us malleable software with custom code.
Of course there are pragmatic exceptions to this, but still
They call a table definition - that defines a table at both the SQL level, and at the domain level - a DocType (see: https://docs.frappe.io/framework/user/en/basics/doctypes). When you declare a DocType you immediately get a working table, foreign keys transformed into combo boxes for lookups, forms, and a whole set of conveniences that are common to ERP-like applications.
Before seeing ERPNext I would've thought that such a declarative approach would fail to satisfy the critical remaining 20% of most requirements, but they've built around it in a way that has enabled them to ship a complex ERP system that thousands of businesses of different shapes use. I think it is one of those gems that are not in popular conscience among software engineers, compared to regular frameworks (but very much so in business-ERP adjacent circles), and is worth learning from.
I had a couple of very specialized adapters for the first couple of environments that were very aware of the whole GPU conversion and deployment stack (ONNX, TensorRT, Triton, etc.), but even these were very fragile to version upgrades, etc., and required a lot of adaptation from one "stack" to the other. As soon as the frontier models got to be real good I took a more "agnostic" approach. My new framework's goal was to be "mealleable" and very hands-off w.r.t. the details of the conversion / deployment ... after all, these models are very well trained on the whole AI pipeline, including deployment. So now the basis is more or less (a) where are the model files, which Docker image do we want to use, which "conversion / deployment" method(s) do we want to try, what are the inference use cases addressed; (b) what is the conversion / deployment method used? (c) how do we assemble the smoke-test and basic performance test cases for multi-client, single- and batch-processing modes for all use cases? (d) how do we package the end results so that the DevOps person has all they need to make sure they have the proper files and that they can run Docker and check that the inference works? These questions and answers are all wrapped in some very flexible base classes. Every conversion is somewhat different, so each one involves extensive discussions with Claude Code (e.g., "hey, look at this other prior conversion, its raw files, compare with these raw files, develop a conversion / use-case-smoke-and-performance-test, and packaging). Rather than trying to be very hands-on at these lower level, Claude has almost free reign at the "low level" to suggest the best approach, and I so I "talk to an engineer with vast knowledge but (for now) a bit less judgment". With this method though I probably cut the total time to conversion-for-deployment by 80% to 90% now ... the choices and options are vast, and Claude knows a lot more than I do.
At times there is not a ready-made solution for the particular problem at hand, and so then it gets more interesting with how to shoehorn a solution into one of the available technologies. We prefer one of the various builds of the Triton Inference Server (or one of its hardened versions maintained by others).
I put high odds on this one being correct.
The Pi harness is built to be extended like this, and it's a joy to work with.