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A1kmm•about 4 hours ago
It looks like the original speech to the jury that won this case is published online here: https://greghadfield.medium.com/tony-greenstein-the-most-imp... - definitely worth a read.
tim333•20 minutes ago
He makes a good argument for not guilty.
jjgreen•about 5 hours ago
An interesting comment by Craig Murray on the related Filton case:

This is an extraordinary new legal strategy by which the sentencing for ordinary criminal charges may be radically increased if the judge, and the judge alone, decides there is a terrorist link post verdict. The jury has no say on whether there is a terrorist connection or not, and the judges hide from the jury the possibility of this happening at all.

But the public are not stupid and do not live under a rock. The jury sent a note in the second Filton case to the judge Patrick Field asking him whether there would be sentencing under “terrorist connection”. Field replied to the jury that this was “not your concern”.

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2026/08/of-judges-ju...

Maken•about 5 hours ago
Can anyone familiar with British law explain this? Can a judge really change a sentence after the trial? Isn't adding charges and aggravating circumstances the job of the prosecutor, not the judge?
jjgreen•about 2 hours ago
The usual rules don't apply when terrorism is called: The UK has free speech, except terrorism, the UK has a jury-based rule of law, except terrorism, ... you get the idea.
_menelaus•about 2 hours ago
Criticism of Zionism must be extirpated by any means necessary.
josefritzishere•about 2 hours ago
The West is in moral collapse. Stripped of moral authority it lays bare the lie of colonialism and extraction.
tim333•15 minutes ago
I think The West may be like democracy - the worst system apart from all the other ones?
metalman•about 2 hours ago
the British state lost the plot some time ago, where once they were capable of making all of there major decisions in public choosing one thing that is strait forward and implimentable, to the inevitable outcomes that have followed a path useing "emergency" and "special" powers for illegal purposes in the service of foriegn interests. It is very heartening to see that the basic British virtues of bieng educated in logic, reason and the ability to describe and discuss the intents and actions of various partys is still present in the general population, but we can take it as a given that the government will try to create a seperate judicial branch for desegnated "terrorists" and there defendors.
Chris2048•about 4 hours ago
Not sure if I can trust this blog, looking at another article linked from that one:

    Palestine Action was a legal organisation.
    Nearly a year later, the government of Keir Starmer declared it a
    terrorist group – the first time in British history that a non-violent
    direct action organisation has been proscribed.
-- https://substack.com/home/post/p-184498793

AFAIK, they rammed their van through a front shutter, without knowing who might be on the other side; and as police tried to arrest them, one of them hit a female police officer in the back/spine with a sledgehammer.

Doesn't sound non-violent to me..

bbg2401•about 4 hours ago
Cook has long been aligned with those standing against the Western powers. Often for good, but equally as often to spread Russian disinformation and narratives.
bbg2401•about 4 hours ago
Is this the same Jonathan Cook who is ostensibly an agitator spouting Russian talking points?

I suppose we'll be linking to The Duran next.

Georgelemental•about 2 hours ago
Yes, he is an evil Eurasian agent. I hear he's a close collaborator with Goldstein. The Party said so, so it must be true
tim333•about 1 hour ago
He does seem to have some questionable blog posts like

>If Putin is a war criminal, then Madeleine Albright was no less of one https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2022-03-25/putin-war-criminal-...

drivingmenuts•about 4 hours ago
What does half of an 80's (and onward) English pop band have to do with English justice?