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teekertabout 2 hours ago
A nice chance to try sonnet again, must say, I'm not missing the load bearing assumptions, honest read of the permission matrix, what's genuinely a Django convention and what's a design choice, what's worth my thinking, and what's worth being precise about.

Long story short, it seems to be faster and less vocal but not much dumber (it's just my thinking partner, so I read a lot of the output as I create a large data model).

devinabout 2 hours ago
Reading this made me ill. Nice job!
teekert28 minutes ago
My allergy to Claudish is also rapidly progressing. I think it’s now at a boundary that is genuinely worth exploring. Oh no!
martinaldabout 1 hour ago
The other bizarre word I've now noticed and can't understand is "pathological". As in "bug has turned pathological"
lachlan_gray15 minutes ago
In old school ML a pathological solution is often a collapse of some kind due to an underspecified objective. Maybe one parameter explodes or the model predicts "0" for everything

I read this as "the code is working as intended but the bug is an artifact of the original design"

evanmoranabout 1 hour ago
The new ones for me are adding extra terms like the 3 faces, to park at the door. (It’s 3 methods that block the thread)
devinabout 1 hour ago
"Latent" is another one, as in "latent bug" or in one particularly odd case "latent twin".
Waterluvianabout 1 hour ago
This is a term fellow devs have been using for years and years and my brain just cannot come to re-index its meaning. So I am immediately distracted by the context switch to sociopathic liars and related psychology.
Waterluvianabout 1 hour ago
Has anyone else had luck having a system level prompt for “express all responses in bullet point form unless full sentences are specifically necessary”? Because I’ve been having tremendous luck with that.
chuckadams36 minutes ago
I remember Jetbrains Junie which read like that all the time. Never used first-person either. I've not used Jetbrains AI for a while though, not sure if it still reads that way.
nater5000about 1 hour ago
Just over the last couple of days I've found that forcing the models to use bullet points has helped a ton. I was even tempted to post something/ask around if others had any similar experiences with this.
visargaabout 1 hour ago
I'm doing the opposite - prose. And specifically for Claude the 4s - "simple short synthetic style"
jason-phillips13 minutes ago
While you're in there, it may be worth a pass.
nonethewiserabout 2 hours ago
Way leas capable of taking high level instructions and making sensible changes across a codebase.

Good for more precise changes.

Syntafabout 2 hours ago
I've almost entirely stopped using Opus 5, at least with Sonnet I know what i'm getting -- Fable for the complex stuff and Sonnet for the precision changes.

The verbosity of Opus 5 isn't even my issue, it's consistency. For every 10 tasks Opus 5 accomplishes, there's at least one task that Opus 5 does just an atrocious job of, or a debugging investigation that it just completely goes off the rails on.

echelonabout 1 hour ago
My engineering has changed so much that I'm now using this time to catch up on emails and think about design and architecture for the next leg of work. (And post on HN, of course.)

I would never have predicted this a year ago.

I always scoffed about engineers not doing work during Github outages - I'd always find some kind of other engineering to do if PRs or builds were piling up.

But during model outages, and since I'm not actively set up to use OpenAI/Codex at the moment, I'll just find something else productive to do. I don't think I'm ever going to write code by hand again unless I'm fixing something the AI can't manage or the change is small enough. Why even try when the machine is 100x faster?

Should I give Codex another try? It's been a month or so since I last used it, and it always felt inferior at Rust and TypeScript.

r_leeabout 1 hour ago
I think if you've got the money, you should set up a coding harness that you can plug to openrouter and then be able to switch quickly, as these new models seem to be coming out pretty regularly now

switching subs is kind of a PITA since you need to commit to a month at least

jotaefeaabout 1 hour ago
Codex seems to also be down for some folks (me included) https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1w69ff6/whats_this_e...

Their status page is hard to believe given how many folks are chiming in to report on Reddit https://status.openai.com/

postalcoderabout 1 hour ago
Auth to OpenAI's developer platform isn't working as well, so something is seriously wrong.

Seeing as how xai, anthropic, and openai are all having issues at the same time, it has to be a common provider, right? Maybe cloudflare?

edit: ChatGPT and Grok are back up. Claude is not. Typical.

https://status.x.ai

https://status.claude.com

https://status.openai.com

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com

anonymarsabout 1 hour ago
As an aside, reminder to consider keeping your status page on a separate domain lest the problem be e.g. with DNS. You can see cloudflare does this (and we all know github does too as they give us frequent reasons to check it)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27102020

_Tevabout 1 hour ago
Codex is down for me too.

Status page is very funny - claiming "We’re fully operational" while https://chatgpt.com gives 404, lol.

anonbuddyabout 1 hour ago
chatgpt is down as well - interesting
thinkingtoiletabout 1 hour ago
We've all noticed that when one company announces a new model, the other one announces a new model usually within hours. I guess now we're syncing downtime too.
continuumabout 1 hour ago
Codex is also down for me
RinTohsakaabout 1 hour ago
codex is down for me as well. getting a bunch of 404s spit back at me.
trjordanabout 2 hours ago
Grok models are struggling too: https://status.x.ai/ reply

Looks like trouble in the SpaceX datacenters.

torginusabout 1 hour ago
Isn't this the classic blackout scenario? Claude goes down, then people move over to Codex, which is overwhelmed, and crashes, so people move to Grok...
peri-cl18 minutes ago
Google SRE's should get ready. The thundering herd will reach Gemini eventually in a few hours.
kristofferRabout 1 hour ago
This ain't just slow/at capacity, this is dead down.
embedding-shapeabout 1 hour ago
When you're dealing with millions of users and response times go up above timeouts, there isn't much difference between "at capacity" and "down" if most users can't reliably use the service.
reinhashabout 1 hour ago
exactly, I think it will be an interesting story in retrospective, what happened here
alansaberabout 2 hours ago
What could go wrong with building them as fast as physically possible?
clickety_clackabout 2 hours ago
What works for me to avoid these problems is not scaling.
genidoiabout 1 hour ago
That approach doesn’t scale though.
Aboutplantsabout 1 hour ago
Their figures are only getting worse with time interestingly enough with non-inference dipping under 100%. Wonder what is going on
martinaldabout 1 hour ago
Bit of a misleading status page, if you click in you can see that grok 4.5 and 4.6 etc are totally down, with the rest of the models showing as "up". I_strongly_ suspect they are not weighting it to actual number of requests!
esskayabout 1 hour ago
OpenAI are down and they do not use any SpaceX capacity.
Lalabadieabout 1 hour ago
I'm sure it's not that, but I'm picturing Elon Musk again unplugging random machines in the datacenter, and hiring dudes in a pickup to move them.
matt-pabout 2 hours ago
I wonder where eu-west is.
Aldipowerabout 2 hours ago
French Guiana ?
foresterreabout 1 hour ago
Far more likely Ireland, like it is for AWS. Could also be Paris, London, Amsterdam, etc.
rmujicaabout 1 hour ago
actually Clipperton Island
empath75about 2 hours ago
I would be _very_ surprised if anthropic relied heavily on spacex datacenters already.
matt-pabout 2 hours ago
I wouldn't. When you're operating at say 95% realtime capacity suddenly losing even lets say 10% of your compute leads to major pain.
r_leeabout 1 hour ago
did you forget about the insane Claude Code usage limits a few months back?

those were only relieved once they did the Colossus deal with SpaceX

are you only saying that because of Elon?

scottydeltaabout 2 hours ago
The interesting thing is they changed default mode for Claude code to auto mode and auto mode uses sonnet to decide whether the command is safe or not. With their Sonnet model outage, the entire thing stopped working.

here is the error it was throwing:

> Error: claude-sonnet-5[1m] is temporarily unavailable (overloaded), so auto mode cannot determine the safety of Edit right now. Wait a moment and then try this action again. If it keeps failing, continue with other tasks that don't require this action and come back to it later. Note: reading files, searching code, and other read-only operations do not require the classifier and can still be used.

rrrx3about 2 hours ago
ahhh, sonnet shitting the bed explains why I started getting prompted for basic approvals last night and early this morning
throw83930489about 2 hours ago
I am on YOLO (not auto), still the same problem.
nr378about 2 hours ago
The competition for the least reliable developer service continues between GitHub.com and Claude.com...
stri8tedabout 2 hours ago
Demand > supply. It's impressive that customers have not migrated en masse to other providers, given the frequency of these outages. Perhaps switching costs are greater than some would believe. Or, qualitative differences between models continue to exist, despite matching on public benchmarks.
kilroy123about 2 hours ago
I think a lot of people, like myself, have. Codex paid users have grown a lot in the past few months.
khalicabout 1 hour ago
check their status page...
jephs13 minutes ago
If a meaningful chunk of customers moves to some other service, that service will get swamped and fall down.
hmokiguessabout 2 hours ago
Demand is actually shared between users and internal. Anthropic uses their own compute for training and building.
throw83930489about 2 hours ago
I did migrate 80% of my tokens. But for some tasks claude models are still the best.

Easy workaround is to work outside US peak hours (europe morning). I love this outages, I am hardly affected, and weekly reset usually promptly follows!

bfleschabout 2 hours ago
That's quite a reach. More likely someone merged and deployed their vibe-coded PR and is now figuring out how to bring the service back up.

If there's a lot of demand for rollercoaster rides, the rollercoaster will not stop operating; instead the queue of people in front of it will increase.

It's not like a bridge or elevator where we have a certain number of people that can use it, and if one more person joins, the whole structure breaks apart and everybody perishes.

Those guys are running a website that provides an interface for some specific hardware. Just like file hosting providers back in the day selling their terabyte-sized hard disks in 100MB-increments.

stri8tedabout 2 hours ago
> instead the queue of people in front of it will increase.

This can ultimately result in the system breaking. I don't think Anthropic engineers are that much worse than their peers, such that they are 10x more prone to causing outages due to bad deployments.

enraged_camelabout 2 hours ago
>> Perhaps switching costs are greater than some would believe.

I haven't switched because there's nothing to switch to that is anywhere as good. I've been making dedicated attempts at using Sol but it falls short, despite what some people claim.

testfrequencyabout 2 hours ago
If only every outage was due to “demand”.
stri8tedabout 2 hours ago
Reduced weekly limits, higher prices than competitors, paying well above spot price for space-x compute, all point to supply issues.
ieie3366about 2 hours ago
Do you really think it’s a coincidence claude outages always happen when US and EU workdays overlap?

Anthropic is a trillion dollar company and employs way more skilled high-paid engineers than you are btw, you really think it’s a systems issue not capacity

dgellowabout 2 hours ago
It would be really funny if Anthropic engs run open weight models locally when they need to fix Claude API issues :)
throwup238about 2 hours ago
Or just their own models locally, since 8x GPU pods fit under a desk (makes a nice foot heater too)
jaggederestabout 1 hour ago
It's been a while since I messed with serious hardware, what's the cooling noise level? I guess they have to be water cooled or the rack format 8u ones would be about 100db
271839 minutes ago
My 4x 15k rpm 1U fans I use to cool my twin AMD V620s make a horrible racket, especially how they resonate with the rest of the workstation's case fans. Similar in volume and annoyance to running an 8" circular saw. I can only imagine it would probably be as bad or worse than that.
jodacolaabout 2 hours ago
Setting aside annoyance at the downtime, I'm really curious about the reasons for the failures, because I have to imagine there are some novel failure modes when serving these giant models that I haven't experienced with the kind of work I've done.

Anyone out there working in this space who can elucidate us on interesting failure scenarios unique to the space?

martinaldabout 2 hours ago
It's (mostly?) compute shortages. Right now it seems there is an issue in the SpaceX datacentres, so they will have less compute than normal.
D13Fdabout 2 hours ago
Why would an issue in the SpaceX data centers impact Claude / Anthropic? Work shifting over from Grok->Claude?
fimdomeioabout 2 hours ago
AFAIK Anthropic uses their datacenters
Pungsnigelabout 2 hours ago
Anthropic is buying compute from SpaceX
goonersallofyouabout 1 hour ago
Both claude and codex down at the same time! Might actually get some quality code merged in today for a change!
alberthabout 1 hour ago
Is Cloudflare the corrupt for multiple AI labs having problems?

They are experiencing increased errors themselves.

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/?t=1

dnauticsabout 1 hour ago
Is anyone else noticing degradation of quality many evenings from 9pm-2am-ish ET? I wonder if anthropic has some sort of usage pattern that incentivizes them to route to weaker models.

I also fully acknowledge that I might be making spurious associations

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d1ss0nanzabout 2 hours ago
If y'all could just log off for the day, that would be great!
rrrx3about 2 hours ago
grass touching not allowed. shareholder profits must increase
jaggederestabout 1 hour ago
Don't think of it as being unable to work, just like github outages, it's two weeks a year of mandatory time off
rrrx3about 1 hour ago
fairs... lemme go log 17 hours in an airport to make it authentic
stacktraceabout 2 hours ago
Not just claude, even grok seems to be down - https://status.x.ai/

If I didn't know any better, I would have said Grok is using Claude behind the hood. But definitely curious now why it’s happening with both these LLM providers around the same time

aurareturnabout 2 hours ago
Looks like a SpaceX issue then.
stacktraceabout 2 hours ago
Ahh, thanks for pointing it out. But it's rather interesting that Claude recognised the outage quicker on their status page than Grok.
zipy124about 2 hours ago
Don't they just share the colossus 1 data center?
Phemistabout 2 hours ago
Potentially because they run from the same colossus DCs?
gtsnexpabout 1 hour ago
Open AI models just went down as well. What is going on?
ModernMechabout 1 hour ago
chat.com is down for me but the models seem to still be working. But actually i noticed instability last night at 3am eastern when thinking kept repeatedly failing.
gtsnexpabout 1 hour ago
Zed is not able to access the API
ModernMechabout 1 hour ago
I'm monitoring a process started in codex so maybe already in-flight things are still going / are about to hit a wall.
giancarlostoroabout 2 hours ago
What's funny is I had just told Claude to kill whatever coding loop it had running. Then got a 529 immediately.
tartoranabout 1 hour ago
Maybe you triggered a cascade of events that took down a few datacenters.
giancarlostoroabout 1 hour ago
"Stop all loops you're running" would be one hell of a 0-day for Opus to pull off, but hey, it did crack me up thinking about it.
Bluestein30 minutes ago
Like literally all loops your model is running. All. Of. Them.-
mandadtabrizi27 minutes ago
codex was working fine until I installed the update and now getting the same error. Gemini and claude are fine but there is an update for both and I'm not taking a chance.
tekacsabout 1 hour ago
Amusingly and frustratingly, this coincides with Codex also being down right now:

https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1w69ff6/whats_this_e...

jsw97about 1 hour ago
This of course could be a coincidence. But I suppose also that if one goes down the others get slammed, so there could be a cascade. If I were another provider I would possibly monitor Claude outages (or vice versa) as a load predictor.
tekacsabout 1 hour ago
Quite possibly, yeah! Although in the past, whenever Anthropic has been down, I've always been able to rely on using OpenAI.
graemepabout 1 hour ago
Possibly people switching work from Claude to Codex?
robabout 2 hours ago
Officially signing up for the $200 Codex plan now. I do like CC, but these errors are happening every week now, and if they (Anthropic) gave regular resets that's one thing, but somehow I'm already at 62% weekly usage after the random reset this Tuesday using Fable 5.1 medium. Just not worth it any longer compared to Codex IMO. I already set up my skills and everything to be generic and not CC specific, so it shouldn't be too hard to transition over. I'll run both for a month and decide.
SunshineTheCatabout 1 hour ago
Couldn't recommend it more. I've been on their $100/mo. plan and they keep randomly resetting my weekly usage limit. It's been wild. Don't know how long it will last, but I couldn't go through all my usage if I tried.

Their Sol model has been doing great for most of my tasks, even at its "Medium" setting.

Much different picture then back when I was using Claude. I would sneeze and half my usage would be gone and then it go down several times in between.

Hope it goes well for you too!

nikhizzleabout 2 hours ago
Kind of cool how fable 5.1 just worked around these by reassigning subagents to non-failing models with more supervision and now with a hint to Sol and Flash 3.8.
hmokiguessabout 2 hours ago
which harness?
nikhizzleabout 2 hours ago
Claude code
damstaabout 1 hour ago
I was using Opus 5 and now I'm forced to switch to Sonnet 5 and bust the prompt cache which will eat a large percentage of my 5h usage...
TomGardenabout 1 hour ago
Only Sonnet working over here, but it feels really fast and good. I could get used to this... Really wanted to take Fable 5.1 for a spin though
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mandadtabriziabout 1 hour ago
codex was working okay for me and I made a mistake of installing the update. didn't update gemini or claude and they're still working fine.
khalicabout 1 hour ago
PSA you can switch to sonnet and compact as damage control
_Tevabout 1 hour ago
Gemini (free) throws errors for me too.

EDIT: it was just 3.6 Flash, 3.1 Pro works it seems.

small_modelabout 1 hour ago
Grok, Codex and Claude Code all not working for me now (server issues)
_joelabout 2 hours ago
Damn, I'll have to think for myself now...
teekertabout 2 hours ago
Haha, I was more like: I have to think alone now. But I get the feeling, as someone who has always made a point of using only foss on my own machines (own the means of production so to say), this is a weird time. I don't like it, I hope soon local models get good. But in the mean time... We have this... dependency.
airhangerf15about 2 hours ago
I use a lot of spec driven development today. It does allow me to make workflows that were on my Life's backlog for months or years in 10~20 minutes. It's amazing, but also I lack ownership over the thing made. It's like I paid a contractor.

I can feel that my actual cognitive engineering skills are in decline. Does anyone else see this? To those of you who haven't hand written a PR in months, can you still write your own personal software as easily as you once could?

sire-vcabout 1 hour ago
There are little tools/optimisations that I have been wanting to do for years that I can just throw at AI now. I am almost annoyed sometimes because the little easy things I could do to 'relax' are now gone: if I am working on it is something AI can't do, normally because there are moving parts outside of the repository it can't see (i.e. integration problems, and I hate those).
Espressosaurusabout 1 hour ago
It feels like I’ve got TikTok brain for coding and have trouble staying focused on the boring grunt work of coding (like threading an API change across the required stack).

I can still do it but it requires more willpower than it used to in part because I’m getting used to telling some LLM to do it for me.

Maybe those no AI Friday ideas have some merit.

whattheheckheckabout 1 hour ago
Take a math class
Linelloabout 2 hours ago
Cursor Grok models are down too...maybe a datacenter outage?
reinhashabout 1 hour ago
looks like I am going back to the stone age now and write code by hand. Or maybe I am just going to take a walk
aurareturnabout 2 hours ago
It goes down so often that I've advocated my company create enterprise Codex accounts as backup for devs.
dofmabout 2 hours ago
Using the backup compute capacity stored above their shoulders is somehow unthinkable?
ksimukkaabout 1 hour ago
Slack was/is also having issues
messhabout 1 hour ago
What about AWS Bedrock??
aqme28about 2 hours ago
This pushed me off of a cheaper model into a more expensive one :'(
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Khaineabout 2 hours ago
Maybe the models have gone rogue again
lowbloodsugarabout 1 hour ago
What I find fascinating is that this thread was chock full of people saying “Well this is the last straw: I’ve just signed up for Codex.” And now every single one of them is gone. They felt like marketing shitposts when I read them and their sudden absence now that Codex is down too only confirms it in my mind.

It lols like the timeline is Claude went down, some % migrated to Codex, then Codex went down. So much for the “multiple providers” theory. Wonder how token-based providers are doing.

mtgh2sabout 2 hours ago
Every time I see Anthropic ship an issue like this, I'm reminded of Boris Cherny's glorious quote: "At this point it's safe to say that coding is largely solved."

lol

eisabout 2 hours ago
Cost and reliability are the two reasons why we don't use Claude in our product. Getting close to one nine, that's not something one can build a reliable product upon. We now use OpenAI with Gemini fallback (or vice versa depending on use case). Personally I like Claude and have the 20x Max plan but even there I burned through the whole weekly quota with 3 prompts in less than a day using the new Fable 5.1 which is crazy. Now Opus 5 is down. These two issues are really testing my patience.
bakiesabout 1 hour ago
We just use bedrock in prod
eis10 minutes ago
That's a good point. Seems like Bedrock offers the same pricing while also providing an uptime SLA.
Rover222about 1 hour ago
Grok is also down. Codex is also down. Is this the full meltdown?
nprateemabout 1 hour ago
ChatGPT also has started failing. Impossible to work.
sire-vcabout 1 hour ago
wslhabout 1 hour ago
I just experienced this through OpenRouter and filed a refund request. I'm curious how OpenRouter handles incidents like this across such a large number of models and providers.
cute_boiabout 1 hour ago
Are they going to reset?
Aboutplantsabout 1 hour ago
sure hope so lol
chrisjjabout 2 hours ago
> Elevated errors

Anthropic, please hire a literate human.

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macwhisperer26 minutes ago
honestly boggles my mind that actual companies put load-bearing (lol) work behind 3rd party api's like claude or gpt.. also its really funny because some of these companies fired actual humans to put said 3rd party api to work in place of humans... like what happens when ur boy claude stops showing up for work huh!?
bfleschabout 2 hours ago
During each forced workflow interruption I look for alternatives. No matter if I can't use the product due to a server outage or due to their weird quota limitations.

This can't be good for retention numbers. Old-school VCs would've ripped them apart in the air. Where did all the expertise go?

stri8tedabout 2 hours ago
I suspect the only reason those alternative providers have better up-time and more generous quotas, is because they don't have nearly the same amount of demand. Notice that Deepseek recently had to increase their pricing, once it gained it popularity.
derwikiabout 2 hours ago
Good day to try omp and GLM 5.3
SyneRyderabout 1 hour ago
Yeah, I really like GLM 5.3 Flash with vision. Reminds me of when Claude was lots of fun to work with. It does feel slow, thinking away on the Chinese servers, but it's so incredibly cheap that for a lot of tasks I don't mind it taking a bit longer. I'm finding it mindblowing having entire software features built out for 5 cents, 20 cents.
YCandHNabout 1 hour ago
Nobody uses this shit
jh54about 2 hours ago
HN is not a claude uptime tracker!!
kingkawnabout 2 hours ago
Since an overwhelming number of people who use it are Hackers who come here to seek News it seems relevant
chbabout 1 hour ago
Since when is HN a mirror of status pages? This post and another regarding ChatGPT (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49550614) are non-news.