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comrade1234•about 2 hours ago
My wife's experience is managing teams and has been involved in creating corporate websites using contractors. She doesn't know anything about html at all. She just manages people.

She's now working on a biotech start-up pre-funding. They have pretty much zero money. They want to redesign their website.

I set her up with my deepseek key and she's been using flash-v4 with image detection (I think deepseek says it's still experimental). She just provides the current website, tells how she wants it to look and it works great. I mean it's obviously ai generated but she gets quick results and is able to tweek things to look better by just telling deepseek what to do. She was even able to change the text in one of their images to its new product name without having to contact the graphic designer.

This is a simple example. Basically it's one of those earlier jobs that you could get someone to bid on for $x but now you can do yourself for $20.

jonathanlydall•about 1 hour ago
My mother has a psychology practice and wanted to update her 20 year old website.

I did the first few prompts (single static page, basically a brochure, don’t worry about hosting) into ChatGPT to get her started and a few days later she sent me a .zip which I uploaded.

Only took a while because she wasn’t paying for ChatGPT so had to wait for the free limit to reset quite a few times.

But overall it was super empowering for her.

Wowfunhappy•about 1 hour ago
Not that I'm in favor of spending money unnecessarily, but I find it kind of surprising she didn't just spend the $20 given this was a website for her professional money-making business.
thaumasiotes•about 1 hour ago
Does updating the website bring in additional money?
snakeboy•27 minutes ago
> She was even able to change the text in one of their images to its new product name without having to contact the graphic designer.

Is that legal... ? I admit I don't know much about graphic design is contracted.

comrade1234•16 minutes ago
Just like if you're a programmer the company paying you owns the work.
technion•24 minutes ago
Every static HTML pages built this way with ai is another WordPress site that wont get built by contractors just to be neglected, compromised, and used to launch phishing and ransomware attacks.
reaperducer•15 minutes ago
Every static HTML pages built this way with ai is another WordPress site that wont get built by contractors just to be neglected, compromised, and used to launch phishing and ransomware attacks.

You mean the very web sites that the "AI" trained on?

If you think AI can't make buggy code, there are several dozen thousand comments on HN that disagree.

xyst•about 1 hour ago
show us these "corporate websites"
comrade1234•29 minutes ago
That was just part of her work. She was employee #11 at a now $4.5B biotech company so everyone that early on had to do everything. She worked for Novartis, for booz allen, and others. She usually hired McKinsey consultants for projects but the web stuff was for smaller companies. She managed a team in India for one of her companies that took care of the web stuff. Basically just look at any top-10 Pharma or government website and you might see what she managed.
latchkey•about 2 hours ago
i started a web development business in 1995 and have been coding web stuff for decades.

like the OP, all those years of learning how it works under the covers gives me a distinct advantage since i can easily tell what is slop and what is going to perform. as well as how to get AI to iterate and fix the things it isn't good at (yet). i feel like now i have super powers. i love it and can't get enough.

the fact that your wife can be productive at lower cost means that more products will be built and more opportunities will be made. instead of spending money on website design, her business can spend money developing biotech.

i welcome that, even if it means that things will change from the past and those that have made a career out of charging thousands will get replaced by a $20/month subscription.

throwayay4929•about 2 hours ago
Would you say this is a similar but perhaps bigger change to frontpage/Dreamweaver/web app frameworks? Those all drastically cut down tub development time for web pages and at the same time opened up new possibilities. I wonder how it'll pan out with AI
Gualdrapo•about 2 hours ago
FrontPage, Dreamweaber and co seemed to fell into obscurity when HTML5 & CSS3 came up and from that point web development went much more complicated than that.

Granted, it seems it is easier now to give prompts to an LLM so it will spit things out than back then where you had to know the tool and fiddle with menus and thingies to sort of try to produce a result.

But the drawback seems to be the same for both - lots of unreliable and unoptimized code that will go live if you don't know what they're doing under the hood and can potentially cause issues in the future. Remember that all this tools do are sorts of interpolation. I've seen lately lots of "modern" websites with tons layers of !important in their CSS and who knows the monstrosities that they have with their JS.

Meanwhile I and all people like me still don't have a job because all of this and the alleged "thousands" I was getting for doing this things.

latchkey•about 2 hours ago
no, those tools sucked in comparison to what ai is doing.

i just built a financial dashboard for my business. in realtime, i'm sucking in all the data from quickbooks, mercury, stripe, deel APIs and presenting it to myself, and my investors. it does all that sitting in cloudflare as a worker, for $5/month. took me a couple weeks of iteration, not a single line written.

from that i just told ai... "i'd like to get rid of quickbooks because yesterday it was down and i couldn't log into it. figure out what i'm using there and present me an interface that allows me to do whatever i'm doing in quickbooks, but with my existing data from stripe, deel and mercury."

it then dutifully went off and built me that app and now i'm running it in parallel and synchronized with quickbooks, until i feel that i can just turn that off. it is customized exactly to my business workflow and easily maintained with full unit tests. it costs me nothing but a $200/mo codex subscription and a few hours of work.

Supermancho•19 minutes ago
> The frontend is less risky to just hand to an agent.

The smaller the problem, the less risky it is to do this, regardless of the nature of the problem. This is not a frontend-specific issue today.

rudi-c•about 2 hours ago
In a related but less public way, I've found myself less motivated to write internal documentation at work. It feels like in a lot of cases, it'd be better for the reader to throw Claude at the codebase to explain things.

A separate document explaining how a system works can go out of date. While I'm quite good at highlighting the most important insights and non-obvious traits of a system, I'd still be guessing what the reader needs from my doc at the end of the day. Claude can answer questions based on what the reader is curious about and wants to learn.

Some types of document are still useful, namely higher-level directional or philosophical topics about the intention of a codebase. e.g. "we would like to eventually move X system to Rust for Y reason", "we chose mutable data structures over immutable in this part of the system because Z". But fewer than before.

kolinko•5 minutes ago
Even the latter can be done automatically from meeting notes, tickets etc.
paulpauper•about 2 hours ago
Being a programmer in the era of AI now means configuring the AI and run environments to produce the sought result, than manipulating the code itself. It's like how C runs on top of assembly.
j4yav•about 2 hours ago
Being a programmer in the era of AI means not being a programmer
chpatrick•31 minutes ago
Typing the code was never the interesting part.
qalmakka•6 minutes ago
For me it definitely was
jplusequalt•29 minutes ago
>Typing the code was never the interesting part.

But solving hard problems and developing systems intuition was. If you're trying to tell me that people working on code bases predominantly written by AI are still solving hard problems themselves, or understand the systems the AI is building, I think they're lying to themselves.

hirvi74•about 1 hour ago
That is why I am very thankful for my job. We are not really allowed to use LLMs for much of anything.
whateveracct•about 2 hours ago
thanks i hate it
sitzkrieg•about 2 hours ago
luckily there are still some people who know and care about actually understanding what is happening. but dwindling. market correction needed to wash larpers out
sitzkrieg•about 2 hours ago
writing about your dates with an ai prompt are not that interesting