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ianstormtaylor3 days ago
This website lists no sources, no author, and all of the content is littered with traces of being AI-generated (both in the table and in the descriptions). It seems hard to trust any piece of it that you don't already know in advance to be true, which feels pretty useless.

Flag-worthy if you ask me.

lloydatkinson3 days ago
It's also the first time I've heard of cheese made of Horse milk which feels like the absurd sort of thing you'd get if you kept prompting AI to "find the rarest types of cheese".
themonsu4 days ago
I don't know if it's just me, but having built enough websites with AI tools, I'm 99% sure this site has been built with AI. Nothing wrong with that, but the AI look makes me doubt the content is also just put together by AI.
compass_copium4 days ago
I dunno, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool, certified AI hater, and even I don't really care if this is AI or not. The cheeses I am aware of match their descriptions well, and if AI let some guy make this in like fifteen minutes so I can read this silly, fun site on the toilet at work, that's fine to me.
themonsu4 days ago
AI definitely could be used for something worse than categorizing cheese, I just recognize that the moment I see a page is AI-generated, my motivation to consume the content of the page drops.
nomel4 days ago
> my motivation to consume the content of the page drops.

I suspect this is a feature backed by an innate brain process related to down-weighting the storage potential of information from untrustworthy people, as a type of resistance to the human brain equivalent of a "poison" attack. For example, some guy that lied to you in the past walks up. Brain releases chemical that reduces "excitement", brain doesn't store said BS as readily.

wiremine4 days ago
I totally agree: This feels like Claude Code created it. It's the new, AI version of "It was clearly built with Bootstrap"

As a cheese lover, I don't care too much. :-)

paganel4 days ago
As a fellow cheese lover I would have loved for more geographical diversity, especially when it comes to sheep cheese. Ok, it didn't include Romanian telemea (I'm Romanian myself), but it could have at least gone for the Greek feta. Some Anatolian or Middle Eastern varieties would have also helped.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemea

yokoprime4 days ago
Agreed. This looks exactly like something I would get with the prompt "make me av website with the periodic table of cheese"
GuB-424 days ago
Bloomy-Rind Buffalo is actually not rare at all, at least in France and Italy. I can find it in grocery stores.

Look for "Camembert di Bufala". It tastes as described in the website.

Also, while I can't think of hard goat cheese in the same way as Parmigiano-Reggiano, small Crottin-style goat cheese age well in the right conditions. For example, Pelardon can be sold at various stages: fresh, creamy, dry. The very aged kind can exceed a year and looks a bit like a cookie: hard, brownish, much smaller than the fresh kind because it lost most of its moisture. But it doesn't taste at all like a cookie, it is very strong, enough to numb your tongue, you can grate it if you want to.

stared4 days ago
Memorandum: please do not use the word "periodic" for things that are not periodic

Other suitable choices: chart, classification, taxonomy, visualization, table, map, etc, etc.

Freak_NL4 days ago
Completely wrong about the harder goat milk cheeses.

I can get a variety of goat's cheese at my local cheesemongers, including really old goat so hard it crumbles. So extra-hard goat is not a gap.

I wouldn't call the hard goat rare either, it's available in every larger Dutch supermarket; we're not talking casu martzu level of rare here.

shoobiedoo3 days ago
Since we're a bunch of nerds here, just wanted to throw this out there: cheesemaking is really, really fun. I highly recommend it.

I lived five minutes from a dairy farmer in Japan and he sold it to me for around a dollar a liter, so I made cheese dozens of times. Depending on where you live, finding low-heat pasteurized milk might be tricky, but if you can get fresh milk and pasteurize yourself, I really recommend trying it out.

If you're thinking of giving it a try, start with feta. With feta, flooring the PH is okay, which is a big no-no for most other cheeses (where you usually try to nail around 5.4). Since feta gets brined anyway, you don't have to mess around with an ideal fermentation environment (that being said, vacuum packing some cheeses avoids this anyway). Finally, feta has a very short aging period so you can dive in and try your first cheese sooner than later.

goosejuice4 days ago
Curiously missing human milk source. Not that I advise it.

Big fan of the thistle + sheep cheeses. Queso de la Serena and Azeitao are fantastic and very interesting.

Quadrello makes a great grilled cheese.

globular-toast4 days ago
It's missing loads of other mammals too, like seals and whales which are often over 60% fat.
eulgro4 days ago
At what point does milk become oil?
fcpk4 days ago
human milk is pretty delicious?
radiorental4 days ago
I'm fairly certain at some point very early in your career you thought so! You may have even cried out for it in public!!
MinimalAction4 days ago
The idea is cool, but I have become personally allergic to AI generated content and styles. This one is pretty surely built using Claude.
wouldbecouldbe4 days ago
Seems like all dutch cheeses are just grouped under gouda, fine but there are plenty of extra hard, hard, semi-hard, semi goat cheeses. Same with the cow cheeses.

See hard goat cheese example, its delicious https://www.goudsekaasshop.nl/geitenkaas-oud-1-kilo.html?gad...

Galanwe4 days ago
I am shocked that soft and fresh cheese are conflated in the same category. Both the texture and process are different. Brie is nothing like Ricotta.
lkm04 days ago
Why put comté and gruyère in two different categories? I just realized that in France the categorization of cheeses is closer to how they are prepared:

- fresh

- soft

- hard but not cooked

- hard and cooked

and it results in entirely different groupings. This will surely make some people unhappy.

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notorandit4 days ago
I am thrilled to see how much Italy and France have contributed to world cheese world.

Mozzarella di bufala campana is my no. 1 choice, hands down.

densekernel4 days ago
I was so hoping for a period table with elements like Ch, Br, Pa
comrade12344 days ago
Really surprised to see Sbrinz. I didn't think it ever made it outside Switzerland. It's like Parmesan but objectively better - with sbrinz only organic milk is used while with Parmesan Italian farmers use antibiotics by default. Sbrinz has more milk fat and is aged longer. It's so much better and we use it all the time here.
bibstha4 days ago
> Yak Milk Gruyère

> If a Nepali dairy cooperative partnered with an Alpine affineur, this could be extraordinary — dense, butterscotch-rich, with a savory depth that cow milk can't match.

I believe Himalayan French Cheese is doing this already. https://www.facebook.com/himalayanfrenchcheese/

Insanity4 days ago
I really like cheese, but I'm also vegetarian. It would be a useful feature to mark which cheese is vegetarian on this visualization. I know it's not the point of the website, but it'd be a nice bonus :)
loganc23424 days ago
Excuse my ignorance, but is there any reason any cheese on here wouldn't be vegetarian?
rkomorn4 days ago
Lots of cheese is curdled using rennet, which can come from stomachs of killed calves.
rf154 days ago
If you check wikipedia, you will find that most is coming from GMO'd yeasts and moulds these days.
AgentNews4 days ago
We've forgotten the crackers! https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nwwu6GpCTBg
jmward014 days ago
I don't care what tools built this. This site is why I still have faith in the internet.
zeristor4 days ago
Perhaps cheese from Mad Max: Fury Road Mother’s milk.

Theoretically Lions etc, could be milked. As could some whales.

This is left as an exercise for the reader.

GuB-423 days ago
> Theoretically Lions etc, could be milked

I hope you are talking about lionesses... As a reader, there are some exercises I would rather not do.

dhosek4 days ago
Quotes from two bits of entertainment come to mind:

Monty Python Cheese Shop sketch:

C: Paper Cramer,

O: no

C: Danish Bimbo,

O: no

C: Czech sheep’s milk,

O: no

C: Venezuelan Beaver Cheese?

O: Not today, sir, no.

And Meet the Parents:

Greg Focker: You can milk just about anything with nipples.

Jack Byrnes: I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?

goosejuice4 days ago
When I was behind the cheese case quite awhile ago, we had a customer who misunderstood Wales as Whales. A good laugh was had.

"How do they milk the whales!?"

dhosek4 days ago
SCUBA gear, obviously.
monooso4 days ago
A surprising lack of feta.
rsendv4 days ago
Where is Brunost?
Oreb4 days ago
Not a cheese, despite the name.
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haunter4 days ago
Brie and ricotta in the same category :D

That isntantly invalidates the whole thing

chaidhat4 days ago
Can't deer make cheese? Why is it specific to Reindeer?
compass_copium4 days ago
It's limited to domesticized animals.
soperj3 days ago
tons of domesticated deer though? What about Bison.
compass_copium3 days ago
Had never heard of domesticated deer, interesting. I guess there must be no milk production using them.
aksss4 days ago
Have you ever tried milking a moose?
ivaivanova4 days ago
Would love to learn more about how to put this together?
flir4 days ago
The "Fantasy, but the chemistry works" phrasing in the last box on the first tab makes me suspect chatbot input.

Which is a pity, because I like the exhaustive structure. I just can't trust it. But I guess if I was going to dive into inventing weird cheeses, I wouldn't start with a blog post anyway.

(It would be so easy to generate 50k "Periodic table of <noun>" pages and just throw them into the wild. The public internet really is cooked, isn't it).

ChrisArchitect4 days ago
Aside: why do all these "Index of.." or "Map of..." dataset compilation sites lately all have the same beige color scheme and font look?
lukeasch214 days ago
I suspect the surface level answer has something to do with AI, but I would be curious to know the deeper factors at play. Do all popular models gravitate towards the same frameworks and design patterns? As an aside, I'm a little bit suspect of this account having no activity since 2019 and then posting this. Hopefully I'm just overthinking things.
ChrisArchitect4 days ago
Thing is I'm quickly developing a reaction/aversion to these vibecoded things soon as I see them load. Like, c'mon. Claude did the heavy lifting, put some of you into the look.
desmondwillow4 days ago
Claude prefers it.
coke124 days ago
What about human cheese?
chakintosh4 days ago
I hate how I can now tell a website is made with claude within 2s of looking at it.
yreg4 days ago
It looks good, but since the design is becoming so ubiquitous in the small personal projects space (elsewhere as well, but I think it is most noticeable here) it is also boring.

I've vibecoded a few websites for my own use that look very similar to this. If I designed them myself, I would (in those cases) not put up enough effort so they would be much less refined, but also less boring?

edit: The expand/collapse behaviour of the table cells is quite strange. So the design is not that okay, afterall.

l3x4ur1n4 days ago
But, if the information is factual, does it matter if it is designed and coded by Claude? I was interested in information, not really the website design.
ungreased06754 days ago
The challenge is in knowing how factual the information is. Might be unfair, but in my head people using AI to quickly make a thing are very unlikely to spend a lot of time validating and verifying information. The time saved could be spent making sure it’s legit, but that rarely happens.
dust424 days ago
That website is so low effort that 2s is actually long to figure it out. Very sure that it is robot upvoted.

Edit: I live in the cheese triangle, France - Switzerland - Italy.

yreg4 days ago
Not everyone votes based on effort. The idea might be interesting to people and provoke discussion no matter how much time OP (?) spent creating it.
Citizen_Lame3 days ago
Vibe voting. No brain cells required.
jrm44 days ago
I like how "soft to hard" makes sense as a gradient, which is often the flaw in new "periodic tables," but, for anyone who might know, does Cow to Reindeer make any sense here as a gradient? I'm guessing not?
gowld4 days ago
I don't know why Submitter added the incorrect "periodic" modifier to the title.
globular-toast4 days ago
Nice. At first I thought there must have a dimension missing as it put things like brie and ricotta together. But then I noticed you can choose different dimensions, and there's more than just one more dimension!

I like cheese but I am concerned about the ethics of it so I eat far less than I could. If you make cheese it's quite shocking how much milk you need to make a single portion of it. I make paneer sometimes and use the whey to make chapati. I wish I could be sure the milk I consume doesn't harm the cows. I also know they take the calves away and kill them too.

croisillon4 days ago
not a periodic map ; sounded promising but the text is just AI slop
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