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arjie4 minutes ago
All my life I've loved robotics, so I was very eager to get things in the house, but my primary problem with humanoid robots is that they're very different from my Roomba-successor Dreame vacuum in a crucial way: they can fall. The Dreame can occupy the same space as my toddler, but the more industrial grade robotics machines cannot. The Unitree Sun Wukong is unbelievably impressive and I could completely imagine a world where it replaces humans in existing dangerous spaces without requiring the spaces themselves retooled. But in my house, perhaps the future will be like what these guys say and I'll have an Eka Claw on my kitchen counter and another by my washing machine, and so on.

In the classic example of old-guy-gets-surprised-by-new-tech, I bet people will find a way around the problem: but the thing has to be powerful to be fast, and if it's powerful it can hurt.

Who can tell. It was just prior to the pandemic when I was showing my wife talktotransformer.com and thinking about how much needs to be solved before it's useful. More fool am I HAHA!

Animatsabout 1 hour ago
We'll know this works when it starts replacing Amazon pickers in quantity. Amazon has been trying to automate that for years, with many demos and contests. So far, nothing can quickly and reliably take random products out of one bin and put them in another. Amazon's robotic systems move larger containers and shelves of bins around, but do not yet pick individual items.
notatoadabout 2 hours ago
It seems silly to be talking about a “ChatGPT moment” for a piece of industrial hardware that no regular person will ever have any cause to consider buying.

The ChatGPT moment was when they launched a product that was generally useful to the average person. Something that isn’t a consumer product at all is very unlikely to achieve success in the consumer market.

yakbarberabout 1 hour ago
In less than 10 years there’s going to be millions of bipedal robots everywhere, doing all sorts of chores for us. They’re going to need hands.
0xbadcafebee10 minutes ago
[delayed]
nkriscabout 1 hour ago
That’s an incredibly optimistic timeline.
SequoiaHope9 minutes ago
We’re already seeing huge progress in humanoids coming from china. The big problem is software and world understanding, but the data collection from today’s humanoids and the rush to capitalize on their potential now that manufacturing their form is largely solved (save for hands) will see these problems overcome.

I expect it will be common to see them make deliveries in five years. Regular people don’t have to buy them for them to see widespread use.

pedalpeteabout 1 hour ago
Slowly, then all at once.

Computers were nowhere for ever, then everyone had them. The internet was tiny, then everywhere. Smartphones were a teensy market, then everyone had them. GLP1s were for a small group of diabetics, now a significant portion of the population take them.

This is how things playout time and time again.

Does it mean the commentors 10 years is correct? No. But it also doesn't need to be incredibly optimistic. All it takes is getting the robots right, and there are multiple companies who seem very close.

LastTrain11 minutes ago
Why bipedal?
walrus01about 1 hour ago
I remember a certain public personality who is very big on bipedal humanoid robots these days also promising us that we'd have truly autonomous self driving cars from his company by 2022, or 2023. It's now 2026.
Gravey37 minutes ago
We can debate the meaning of “truly autonomous”, but the Tesla-owning friends and acquaintances of mine have all, without any uncertainty, recently commented to me that the top-tier self-driving plan in the modern Teslas is just that.

One frequently uses it to drive from his house in LA to San Jose, another from Philly to Boston, another from Kamloops to Vancouver (Canada). I personally have never experienced it, but I trust their word and experiences enough to believe that it is at an extremely high level of capability.

boxed5 minutes ago
This might age badly heh. Kinda like "we only need 2 MAYBE 3 computers for Sweden" (real thing people said back in the day).
xp84about 2 hours ago
“Eka, open claw!!!!”

“I’m sorry, OpenClaw is not approved for an account on your subscription tier.”

suffocates from being choked by robotic claw

rossdavidh15 minutes ago
Do they mean, the moment when everyone realizes it's not as useful as they at first thought?
martythemaniakabout 4 hours ago
Rodney Brooks has a great essay on why he's skeptical that the current humanoid hype will deliver and the central claim is that human dexterity is extremely advanced any today's humanoids lack even the sensors and data needed to start building the models needed to match human performance.

https://rodneybrooks.com/why-todays-humanoids-wont-learn-dex...

I saw him post this article on his Bluesky saying that they're the first ones he's seen that are close to cracking this issue (he's an investor/adviser).

nomelabout 3 hours ago
> needed to match human performance.

This is not a remotely a real world requirement for them to be useful, and for them to sell like crazy.

usrnmabout 2 hours ago
Isn't it? The whole promise if humanoid robots is replacing humans in a human-centered environment. Instead of specialized hardware or modifying the existing process, just drop a robot in place of a human, bam, done. Otherwise, what's the point?
pzoabout 2 hours ago
The point is that even if they do something 3x slower and maybe capable of 1/100 tasks they can still this do task 24/7, without holiday and never sick, they can also have more strength e.g in construction.

My smart vacuum is more dump than me when wiping floor and much slower than be but still greatly useful.

megaman821about 3 hours ago
I wonder how accurate joint positions and muscle activations can be from just a POV camera. Maybe it’s not crazy to think someone could get tens of millions of hours of well-labeled training data.
dyauspitrabout 4 hours ago
Yeah I’m going to completely disregard this because I feel like we are less than a year away from completely human feeling humanoids. This is based on nothing but obsessively watching and following humanoid progress on the internet.
ManuelKiesslingabout 4 hours ago
What was eye-opening, or rather, sobering for me was when I read an interview with an engineer who explained how incredible difficult it is for a robot to orient itself when it is lying on the floor and wants to stand up.

Yes, it can do the required motions just fine, that’s not the point. But think about yourself when you are lying on the floor: it’s really easy to determine if this is safe, if you are lying underneath something and so on. You just feel that.

A robot cannot do that; all they can do is look around as good as possible and visually determine their situation.

jgordabout 4 hours ago
I naively assumed they have a gravity sensor, so will generally have an approximate up vector ?
jfengelabout 4 hours ago
I obsessively avoid any kind of "technology is going thataway" content. So I haven't seen anything that looks like humanoid progress in quite some time. About the only thing that has snuck around my barrier is Musk apparently claiming he'll have it by the end of the year, which is pretty conclusive evidence that they won't have it by the end of the year.

So if you're seeing anything that actually seems to merit attention, I'd love a few pointers. I could use some good news.

nancyminusoneabout 4 hours ago
Well, as someone who has tried to build at least a couple small robot arms, I think we are probably closer to 20-50 years away. Both the power and dexterity are not there.

Right now, only a human can both push over a boulder and pick up a tiny speck from the floor using the same actuator.

rcxdudeabout 3 hours ago
Beware generalising from a carefully curated and presented set of demos to real life.
semiquaverabout 2 hours ago
HardCodedBiasabout 3 hours ago
This one is different? What about unitree? What about their demo at the Spring Festival Gala?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykiuz1ZdGBc

That sure felt "different".

No doubt hands are important, but I think you've missed a lot here Wired.

mediamanabout 3 hours ago
Many of the Chinese companies are doing very impressive open-loop sim2real. They make great demonstrations. They are not great at dealing with the real world and unpredictable environments.

(That's not true of all Chinese companies - some are doing really impressive work with closed loop systems in unpredictable environments. But many of the highly viewed ones with coordinated dance performances or martial arts are intended more as theater to government financial sponsors than useful function. The technically impressive performances do not look as visually impressive.)

darenrabout 3 hours ago
those were impressive but were also RC. I think an important part of robotics is not just the mechanics of humanoid motion, but the independent control of those mechanics.
unsnap_bicepsabout 3 hours ago
Can you expand on what was RC? Was the compute off device?
chrisweeklyabout 4 hours ago
Anyone else here have happy memories of playing with Armatron? Circa 1984?
pugworthyabout 2 hours ago
Oh hell yea!

Just a few weeks ago at work we got a Universal Robots UR5 from another project in-house along with a Hand-E gripper.

I've never had so much fun programming and playing with a device ever. And it completely took me back to getting an Armatron 40 years ago and having so much fun - but also wishing I could somehow control it with software.

voxadam21 minutes ago
I still have mine sitting on a shelf in my office.
manyturtlesabout 3 hours ago
iancmceachernabout 3 hours ago
Yes! The most amazing part about those things was they achieved all those axis' of motion with one or two motors.
tuatoruabout 2 hours ago
The robotics Turing test: change the nappies of the designer's and company owners' baby daughters or grand-daughters.
Ekaros3 minutes ago
Other fun things. Living in apartment with only the robot doing any tasks or picking up any inputs like arriving packages.
xg15about 2 hours ago
I'd already be fine with some decent laundry folding in general.
ceejayozabout 1 hour ago
I think the idea is that before they sell it to the public they should trust it with their own loved ones.
dmix10 minutes ago
There's a video of the founder of Figure robotics trusting it enough to let it do laundry next to his kids

https://x.com/adcock_brett/status/1950685253447913798

The first phase is likely don't let the kids go near it since it could easily hurt a human by accident.

crooked-v34 minutes ago
Or to put it another way, before selling it for laundry folding, make sure it won't fold the baby that was left on the wrong table.
jfengelabout 4 hours ago
Back in the 90s, I developed a rule of thumb: if I saw it in Wired, it's because it was either already over, or it wasn't going to happen at all.

I was so disappointed when I saw BetterPlace (the car with replaceable batteries) on the cover of Wired. It seemed like such a good idea. Too bad the rule of thumb meant it wouldn't work.

Rules of thumb were made to be broken. Maybe this time it will be different.

eichinabout 2 hours ago
Yeah, betterplace made it from 2008 (wired) to 2013 (bankruptcy.) Nio is trying again and it looks like they hit wired in 2018, again in 2023, and are still active today...
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datakingabout 4 hours ago
kentonvabout 3 hours ago
archive.is is malicious -- as in, uses your browser to launch DDoS attacks, and other things.

Stop using it.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-a...

BeetleBabout 2 hours ago
Is the person behind archive.today the same operator as archive.is?
cubefoxabout 3 hours ago
> archive.is is malicious -- as in, uses your browser to launch DDoS attacks, and other things.

I think the attack was itself a response to a doxxing attempt. Also, archive.is being a free service doesn't quite fit with claiming they are malicious. The overall picture seems still positive.

haartsabout 3 hours ago
Is there an alternative?
sanskriticalabout 3 hours ago
https://removepaywalls.com/https://www.wired.com/story/when-...

Works for me. I use only Tor so it is actually far more accessible. Archive.is uses Google's Recaptcha, which for some reason rejects valid solutions submitted via Tor.

SpaceNoodledabout 3 hours ago
> a ChatGPT moment for the physical world.

That's not a good thing, WIRED.

commandlinefanabout 2 hours ago
I'm having some house painting done and the painter asked me what line of work I was in. When I said computer programming he said, "ooh, bet you're worried about AI! At least painters are safe!"
gwbas1cabout 3 hours ago
I want Rosie (fictional robot from the TV show "The Jetsons")

Basically, I want a robotic butler / maid that will do most of the cleanup around the house.

mitthrowaway2about 2 hours ago
Unfortunately, the only robots available will be connected to the cloud, paid by subscription, and will gather a continuous feed of audio-video data from you and your home. And sometimes it will be teleoperated, and you might not know when.

I'd rather do my own cleanup, personally.

Ifkaluvaabout 2 hours ago
I bet China will race to the bottom with cheap versions. 3D printers and LLMs, next home robots
dogcomplexabout 1 hour ago
Why would consumers settle for that? Local models have scaled quite quickly. Just pair the bot with a LAN server as the brain that keeps all your data private.

Barring that, choose bots that use Zero Knowledge Proof architectures for all data so you know there's no in/out of personal data, only security proofs. This makes rental robots certifiably private too.

progvalabout 1 hour ago
Some of them will be paid by subscription and have ads
davelyabout 3 hours ago
Haha! Instead, you’ll get a robot that will make you art, music, and tell you stories and you get to toil away cleaning the house.
conceptionabout 2 hours ago
“Sure I’ll clean up the house, Mr. J. While I’m doing, so have you seen the new shoes from crocs? They’re sponsored by the Jenners and have great new designs with all of your favorite movie characters on them! Would you like me to order you a pair?”
baldeagleabout 2 hours ago
The first voice accessed (in my brain) by this dialog was Harley Quinn, it took a moment for it to fall back to Rosie.
z3c0about 2 hours ago
Given how many people attempted to date their computer after ChatGPT launched, I don't even want to imagine what this technology has in store.