U.S. Aims to Penalize Disabled Adults Who Live with Their Families

throwawaytwit9•about 5 hours ago

I routinely encounter educated adults who claim it’s unfair that they’ve paid taxes their entire lives only to receive nothing when people living on welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, or disability get everything provided. It is astonishing to me that people think that they are missing out on that life. While I’m sure fraud exists, living off the system is not glamorous or the path most choose intentionally. How can anyone, unemployable and with a disability, support themselves on $900/month? This isn’t big money. We can argue about the role of government vs charity. But I just don’t get that attitude, that need to tighten the screws on what in many cases is someone’s only option.

atmavatar•about 5 hours ago

There's been at least a half-century of Republican propaganda demonizing the poor who rely on these services.

It started getting particularly nasty with Reagan's "welfare queens" campaign, which focused on a woman incarcerated for egregious fraud and portrayed her case as if it were the norm, playing not only on fears that welfare was rife with fraud and abuse but also on prejudices against women and non-whites.

To this day, many people envision the welfare system as creating a class of people living luxurious lives off the taxpayer's dime without having to do any work themselves. That this is a far more accurate description of the very representatives still benefiting from such propaganda is a salient historical irony.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen See: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/12/20/255819681...

kashunstva•about 4 hours ago

> Republican propaganda demonizing the poor who rely on these services.

Collaborators like Bill Clinton didn’t exactly help matters either.

spwa4•about 1 hour ago

And you think that's why this exists? Currently you see a lot of clips on Youtube and ... complaining about taxes. At first I thought ... it's one of those campaigns (ie. Elon Musk is definitely pushing the idea on twitter). But not entirely. It's not some rich guy complaining, or an accountant offering their (paid) help or some extremely bad advice, but "influencers". Same with talking to Uber drivers.

I've realized the underlying issue is not demonization. The underlying issue is that the tax levels in a number of states make it impossible for quite a large number of individuals to have these "jobs", in a lot of cases when they can't (or more likely: won't) do other jobs, and their conclusion is "tax is forcing me onto welfare".

And with European taxes that apparently punish freelancers it's even worse. This is less true that it appears, European states just hide taxes by making employers pay them and having laws that forbid employers from including them on the payslips, but freelancers of course pay both the employer and employee taxes, because otherwise companies would make everyone work as freelancer. Now I'm 100% sure that this was indeed an attempt by states to hide taxes and it's backfiring a bit in this way. If you take this calculation into account, French income tax can be up to 68% (WTF ... of course, that's if you're making a million per year or so. Even a senior in IT in France would only pay maybe 55%)

And I guess it's not entirely untrue that people are being forced out of jobs because of these taxes ... but. Well, I'm not sure what to think about this.

yetihehe•about 5 hours ago

> But I just don’t get that attitude, that need to tighten the screws on what in many cases is someone’s only option.

They look at upsides, but don't look at downsides. A case of "grass is always greener on the other side". Plus maybe small lack of empathy.

rramadass•18 minutes ago

> Plus maybe small lack of empathy.

Small? More like utter lack of empathy and full-blown Sociopathy.

DemocracyFTW2•about 3 hours ago

„Man muß das Geld dort nehmen, wo es zu finden ist – bei den Armen. Zwar haben sie wenig, aber sie sind zahlreich.“ ―Ettore Petrolini - https://gutezitate.com/zitat/138869

rramadass•26 minutes ago

Translation:

“One must take money where it is to be found—from the poor. True, they have little, but they are numerous."

rramadass•about 5 hours ago

Very right.

You might find the documentary Waging a Living eye-opening - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47971968

rramadass•about 5 hours ago

WTF?

Relevant:

Every American needs to watch the documentary Waging a Living to understand the difficulties of people hovering around poverty level (aka sticky poverty) - https://emro.libraries.psu.edu/record/index.php?id=2184

Video on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXFyLXSBuo&t=6s

U.S. Aims to Penalize Disabled Adults Who Live with Their Families

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