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ge96about 3 hours ago
I was disappointed the horse wasn't real
moominabout 2 hours ago
Ben Bova hypothesized that Homer was actually describing early siege towers, but given the veracity of many mundane parts of the story it seems unlikely.
detourdogabout 2 hours ago
I have also heard it described as a boat.
readthenotes1about 2 hours ago
How do you know? It was mentioned by Homer, wasn't it?
huxleyabout 2 hours ago
At least not in the Iliad though it gets short mentions in the Odyssey.

Most of what we know of it appeared in non-Homeric stories and most famously (nowadays) in Virgil.

elmomleabout 2 hours ago
That is so, but my understanding was that those later stories tie back to a lost epic (Iliupersis) that, while not officially attributed to Homer, was being sung contemporaneously with the other stories of the Trojan war cycle.
ge96about 2 hours ago
I don't just online consensus. Need to simulate the universe's particles and rewind time like that show Devs to witness it myself.
satvikpendem33 minutes ago
The show is based on a story by qntm [0] (which I submitted before to HN but sadly got no traction) who also wrote a great book recently called There Is No Antimemetics Division, to rave reviews on HN.

[0] https://qntm.org/responsibilit

foobarianabout 1 hour ago
Thpoilerth!
jsharpeabout 2 hours ago
We don't even know if Homer was real. XD
moominabout 2 hours ago
I’ve seen it fairly convincingly argued that he wasn’t!
zoeysmitheabout 1 hour ago
Ignoring the historical record and academic consensus, its very unlikely this trick could ever work. Ancient people weren't simpletons and the logistics of it all are pretty silly.

Its just poetic fiction in what is a long form poem.

AdmiralAsshat42 minutes ago
Virgil's version with Laocoön correctly guessing the plot and then being slain by Poseidon always felt to me like a later addition explicitly designed to explain "The Trojans weren't really that stupid, were they?" There's a similar undercurrent if you read Hesiod's Theogony, where Prometheus' famous "Trick at Mecone" is written as though Zeus knew it was a trick but chose the pile of bones anyway. It's as though the original story had Zeus being tricked in earnest, but later writers grew uncomfortable with the idea that their high god was so easily fooled.

With that said, it always in turn felt like the serpents' presence undermined Odysseus' claim of being clever, since from that perspective the Trojans didn't have much choice but to bring it in, or risk the ire of the gods. It's hardly a ruse if the enemy knows it's a trap but is compelled by supernatural forces to take it anyway.