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shomp1 minute ago
Where are the maps?
nomorehere13 minutes ago
That’s true, but very few countries in the world are willing to accept people as readily as they used to. Migration has become much more difficult since 2022, and I can say that as a migrant myself.
mettamageabout 3 hours ago
As the article points out. The researcher’s site has an exploratory tool to view the data [1].

[1] https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/

gaddersabout 1 hour ago
If you pick 2023/2024 and the UK, you can see the disaster that is the Boris Wave.
3stacks18 minutes ago
Thoughts and prayers friend.
jtbaylyabout 1 hour ago
That tool could be interesting if there was a way to stop the rendered globe from spinning. As is, it is unusable
photochemsyn21 minutes ago
Select the more options pulldown menu, click on projection, select ‘natural Earth’, no spinning.
3stacks16 minutes ago
and it accurately displays the Earth (flat) globecels btfo
sss11140 minutes ago
if you click and hold on a country, it stops spinning :)
swiftcoderabout 2 hours ago
Fascinating to see that MENA is a net positive on migration. There's often a lot of rhetoric around MENA migration to Europe and North America, but you hear much less about migration to MENA countries.
pjc50about 2 hours ago
The Gulf states take in a lot of migrant workers, who have basically no labour rights there.

https://www.ilo.org/regions-and-countries/arab-states/united...

"The UAE hosts some 8.7 million migrant workers – equivalent to over 80 per cent of the country’s resident population – making it one of the largest foreign labour-receiving countries in the world. With Emirati nationals mainly employed in the public sector, migrant workers constitute the bulk of private sector employment"

Cthulhu_about 2 hours ago
I think people underestimate how many people move back to their home country once they have a better chance (through e.g. education or money) and / or when the situation there improves (e.g. stability). It's why I don't understand why the anti-immigration parties don't do more internationally to help other countries.
expedition3232 minutes ago
Because we, correctly, assume that some countries are simply beyond saving. Throwing good money after bad.
nirav72about 1 hour ago
Isn't migration to MENA - specifically migration to North Africa mainly from Sub-Saharan part of Africa?
Supernautabout 2 hours ago
Further down the page, there's a link to an article from a couple of years ago, titled "Migration isn’t increasing".

So which is it?

swiftcoderabout 2 hours ago
There's a quote from one of the study authors:

  "Because previous estimation methods relied on coarse five-year snapshots, 
   they yielded very few data points and created the impression that the rate 
   of global migration flows was stable," adds co-author Guy Abel, a research 
   scholar in the Migration and Sustainable Development Research Group of the 
   IIASA Population and Just Societies Program and professor at the University 
   of Hong Kong. "Our annual data provides a clearer picture, revealing that 
   this rate has actually risen since 2000. This upward trend appears to be 
   driven by long-term demographic shifts and economic development rather than 
   sudden, isolated crises."
So if I'm following correctly, when you look at coarse data, you miss a lot of the smaller-scale migration, and that small-scale migration pushes the totals up a lot?
bcjdjsndonabout 1 hour ago
Their dataset is so pathetically small you can't infer anything from it. There are still people alive from the India/Pakistan migration in 48 and that would be number one on this list
ricardobeatabout 2 hours ago
Interesting how South America, with several countries made up majorly of immigrants, receives almost no new migrants now.

Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians?

Cthulhu_about 2 hours ago
"fleeing" and "replaced" are loaded terms, I don't think you can derive that from this data. That said, there's a lot of workers being imported from Asia to the middle-east for their ambitious construction projects, could that explain it?
eloisius28 minutes ago
None of these regions have homogeneous conditions that mean anyone needs to be replacing fleeing locals to explain these stats. Millions of migrant workers are in the Gulf, and many of them come from the Philippines. Millions of people have fled conflicts in other parts of the Middle East.
igleria31 minutes ago
At least in Argentina that is because it's not the land of opportunities it used to be in the late 19th/early 20th century.
joseda-hgabout 1 hour ago
Internal migration has mostly saturated capacity all accross the region in South America

It'll take a while until anyone relaxes

bcjdjsndonabout 1 hour ago
> Meanwhile the middle-east population is fleeing and being replaced with asians?

Persians brought Hinduism to India, so maybe they're returning the favour

rnoises39 minutes ago
Eh? Persians gave the name "Hindus" to the people living in that area. But they had their own religion, Zoroastrianism. They didn't bring Hinduism because they didn't have Hinduism.
nomilkabout 2 hours ago
Only 1.7m people left North America in 2023 (4.4m arrivals). Would be interesting to compare to figures from 2025.
arrowsmith20 minutes ago
US had net negative migration in 2025 for the first time in decades:

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/immigra...

gcanyonabout 2 hours ago
> interesting

You have a funny way of spelling "sad" my friend.

nobrainsabout 2 hours ago
Why has , recently, Pakistan been seen added more and more to a new category "MENAP" and separate from South Asia (i.e. India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh) ?

These classifications should be geographic and could even racial, but it seems this new classification (MENAP) seems more "religious"

ricardobeatabout 2 hours ago
Pakistan being “south asia” makes about as much sense as Turkey and Saudi Arabia being labeled “west asia”. Technically correct, odd choice for modern communication.
t0loabout 1 hour ago
Pedantic response that makes light of a real issue. In case you haven't noticed, not every "western" country is actually in the western hemisphere.
kdheiwnsabout 2 hours ago
In America at least, all the hot deserty places between Europe and India=Middle East. I only started hearing the term "South Asia" to refer to places like Pakistan after encountering more non-Americans online. Afghanistan is also considered as part of the Middle East to basically every average American (hence why it's lumped in with all those "Middle Eastern wars"), but I'm not sure if it's seen that way in other areas.
bcjdjsndonabout 1 hour ago
Bangladesh is Muslim though
bcjdjsndonabout 1 hour ago
*data doesn't go back beyond 2000, safe to ignore
pjc50about 1 hour ago
???

Data quality issues usually get worse the further back you go.

WillAdams44 minutes ago
Yes, but there are (in)famous examples such as the partition of Bengal (the tiger which Britain feared) being partitioned into Pakistan and India, which when included would provide a useful metric for the scale of human suffering involved.
firesteelrainabout 2 hours ago
Can someone explain the graphic?
blondie9xabout 2 hours ago
The graphic seems vague and not particularly revealing.
firesteelrainabout 1 hour ago
I was trying to figure out the inflow and outflow. It looks bidirectional.
rawgabbitabout 1 hour ago
Europe and Central Asia added people. So did North America.

Middle East, North Africa, Afghanistan, and Pakistan was flat.

Other regions lost people.

FrustratedMonkyabout 1 hour ago
Left to Right.

Leaving, Arriving.

gaiagraphiaabout 2 hours ago
Here's the actual graph/data in question. The article is a dense academic snooooooozefest:

https://www.socsc.hku.hk/rhps/global-migration/

Ffs, trying to click on a country and the globe keeps rotating, hahah. When i click on nations, it doesn't tell me the numbers either, there's just these blobby lines :/

Not very usable.

Milpotelabout 1 hour ago
Options -> change projection helps a little bit.
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somelamer567about 2 hours ago
The year 2000 also happens to coincide with the rise of the Putin regime. One of their favourite methods of statecraft is to spitefully lash out at perceived "enemies" by using their enormous information-warfare capability to stoke irregular immigration in ways to maximise chaos in countries that Russia hates and resents.
3stacks20 minutes ago
I hope you aren't suggesting Russia is uniquely to blame in this when the United States has displaced tens of millions of people in the last 20 years
curiousObjectabout 3 hours ago
People who believe they are financially secure may move from regions which are considered “wealthy” to regions which are seen to be “poorer” (and cheaper). This outflow can influence this data.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/american-...

swiftcoderabout 2 hours ago
> This outflow can influence this data

Influence how? Migrations from wealthy to poor regions are still migrations, no?