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If Canada broke the treaty, in theory, the U.S. could lay claim to parts of Ontario and Quebec. And if America broke it, Canada could get parts of Maine, Michigan, and Wisconsin. So, basically, North American geography as we know it is contingent on this early 1800s treaty remaining in effect.
The podcast was from December -- an eternity ago in these interesting times -- and I don't know whether anything has changed since then.
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/653-beyond-the-99-inv...
The podcast's transcript suggests that their source for this is https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/peace-arch-u.... The person confidently claiming that any closure of the park would result in catastrophe is an immigration lawyer, not a historian:
"Saunders said the treaty stipulates there could not be any boundaries or physical barriers erected on the northern border of the U.S. — and if either side violated that treaty — the boundaries revert back to pre-treaty."
Since the Treaty of Ghent restored the pre-War of 1812 borders of both the United States and Canada, this doesn't make any sense. Canadian historian C. P. Stacey states that the period after the War of 1812 actually saw more border fortification than the years before (https://www.jstor.org/stable/1840618).
I mentioned that the idea that a 19th century treaty keeps the US-Canada border demilitarized was a good story, but I think the truth is an even better one: that the border is demilitarized because both countries know that they can trust their neighbor. Let's hope it stays that way.
The northern border used to be so much more flexible and I don't see any real benefits from doing all this.
Hah
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-26-107501
But i guess ticking “we did something” checkboxes keeps the paycheck deposits flowing.
Unfortunately the border actually needs to be more sealed.
Once again, borders doing what they do best: waste honest people’s resources.
yeah.. i get the feeling they learned from J6, and won't make those same mistakes again :(
How "often" do they "illegally immigrate to the US"? Come on, be specific. Surely this isn't absolute bullshit.
> Haskell Free Library
Has zero to do with haskell the language: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_Free_Library_and_Opera...
Now that's a special kind of joke I can only find on HackerNews
I'm so glad both towns an other private donors pulled together to make this happen.
I don't expect the damage to be undone within my lifetime.
> Mr. Trump, tear down this door!
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_down_this_wall!
Also QC for all it's local issues has largely been insulated from "over-immigration" due to the language requirements. If your only experience is there you may not be aware of the scale of the problem.
South Africa by contrast does not have open borders, and is currently going through another bout of violent xenophobia.
I don't think these two things are specifically related.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
> South Africa by contrast does not have open borders, and is currently going through another bout of violent xenophobia.
Arguably a legacy of the time when it did.
My friends in Europe describe the situation differently
In the 90s, it was the norm for people in northern maine to cross into canada and vice versa, like weekly, to do certain shopping. We regularly took advantage of the low value of the Canadian dollar back then, and every grocery store in the US had daily Canadian customers.
Crossing the border was pretty much just agreeing that you weren't trafficking any specific produce. That's it.
Fort Kent, Maine is literally across a river from Canada. The bridge and border crossing is basically part of the town, and it was a normal daily thing to drive to the other side of the river and do something in Canada, like eat at the nice Chinese restaurant, "The Maple Leaf".
Every northern maine school had regular field trips across the border.
The two communities were basically one. There was no border. It was just a line on a map and a nod to your local friend who worked in the booth.
The southern border used to be similarly uncontrolled. The "Immigrants" and migrant workers who pick your produce have been a normal thing in US history forever. They wouldn't stay in the US, because the border was so lax they didn't expect any trouble coming back in the next time they need the paycheck.
The reaction to 9/11 was atrocious. All it did was kill already struggling communities in rural areas, hurt hardworking Americans, waste billions of taxpayer dollars on "Super duper important" airport scanners sold by a friend of the Bush admin, which then sat unused in a warehouse and we stopped using them entirely shortly after.
I suspect that Canada isn't fond of how Americans view guns, and I suspect that the US is not quite on board with blasphemy/hurty-words laws. I suspect the divergence will grow.
I'm putting this into my overflowing bucket of internet comments that doesn't "get" Canadians. Sorry to be curt but, since Canada-USA relations has been more at the forefront, I've seen too many comments that just "don't get it" and it riles me up each time.
They've had the 2nd amendment since their country was founded. It has no bearing on relations between the two countries, both at a micro and macro level.
We respect that they are their own country and have their own ways of doing things, which isn't even the same across each state. We respect US sovereignty over their own laws. It's the lack of respect for ours by the current US administration that is upsetting.
That's basically all its come down to. Oh, and the tariffs don't help either.
Maybe Canadian public opinion isn’t anti-gun, but the current government seems to be.
This library worked well for a hundred of year, and then the US government decided they wanted to invade Canada, wage an economic war, and needed to protect their border at all cost in case an invasion of migrants would come from... that library.
This whole administration is just vile, and are long past the point where there should have been an uprising. Just an absolute idiocracy. A worldwide pariah, spiralling down the toilet.
guns, jets, immigration sovereignty and a disinterest in peer pressure about it, similar combination of cultural influences, publicly traded central bank that just creates money and buys US tech stocks and produces dividends, ATMs that dispense $200, $500 and $1000 denominations and nobody batting an eye about it
just some tweaks to life that stand out to me, all the other normal stuff is cool too
only citizenship I would consider trying to marry into
>wants to immigrate there
>not by making an economical case that having you in the country will make them richer
>but by trying to marry a local
Real talk. You may want to delete this post before you actually do the citizenship by marriage thing, buddy. Marrying for the express intent of obtaining citizenship is generally considered citizenship fraud.
There's some bizarre pseudo-libertarian contingent out there that seems to genuinely believing that Canada is some place where we arrest people with Jordan Peterson books off the street and that the Ottawa "trucker" convoy was some sort of colour revolution brutally stamped out by a Communist Regime(tm).
(When actually if said "truckers" had tried what they did on the US side of the border, DHS would have just shot them, and the vaccination law that they were supposedly protesting was a law demanded by the US and the Trudeau gov't tried multiple times to have it delayed/deferred)
Remind me again -- which country is it that demands to see the content of your social media feeds at the border, and then chooses to deport (or worse, detain) you based on what your feed says about their president and his thieving gang of companions?
Or detains and deports academics with green cards based on their stated opinions about what's happening in Gaza?
I could go on.
>Rima Hassan wrote online that she was "prevented" from coming to Canada in what she described as an attempt at censorship.
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/2242739/pro-palestin...