US House rejects FISA Section 702 extension, warrantless surveillance expires

inigyou•about 1 hour ago

My chosen interpretation is that they've let it expire because they've found enough ways to spy on us that they don't need it. Ranging from getting everything they need from advertising companies and Flock, to just ignoring the law and doing it anyway because they know it won't be enforced.

nacozarina•about 1 hour ago

Correct, the authorization was only needed for the govt to spy on you directly. Private business has no such restrictions, the govt can now buy any info from Palantir, Google, Lexis, ad infinitum

iamnothere•9 minutes ago

Rare good news. I hate to see so much knee-jerk doomerism. Don’t forget to celebrate small wins even if the battle isn’t over.

rdudek•about 3 hours ago

I have to admire the double-dipping business model of private companies getting paid by local governments to setup surveillance cameras and harvest data. Then the same goverment will pay to get warrantless access to that same data.

ck2•about 3 hours ago

is it just double-dipping the spending (this might be your point)

or it is actually doing an end-run around laws against governments doing the surveillance themselves, instead they get private companies to do it and then it's perfectly legal to buy the data

just like government buys cellphone tracking data and mortgage data from private brokers when there are laws blocking them doing it directly

Henchman21•about 2 hours ago

There’s a word for government & business collaboration of this type.

inigyou•about 1 hour ago

it's called "government contracting", but you were thinking of "fascism", weren't you?

Fascism does mix state and corporate power, but that's not a definitive part of it. Fascism mixes all powers because the nature of fascism is to only tolerate one power, which is itself. This doesn't mean that every time the government and corporations work together, it's fascism.

hmm37•14 minutes ago

Now they just need to get rid of stuff like Sec. 622 of this bill proposal (https://www.congress.gov/119/bills/s4615/BILLS-119s4615pcs.p...) which would give all US intelligence to Israel.

sitkack•about 3 hours ago

Surveillance won't stop and the warrants won't start. Now what?

rglover•about 2 hours ago

An opportunistic politician would be wise to draft a bill around surveillance transparency and go to all of the people voting against Section 702 here for support (solid arm twist that backs them into a PR corner).

0xbadcafebee•about 2 hours ago

https://archive.is/p0sBN

ck2•about 3 hours ago

I'm sure this administration will totally obey that without any enforcement or penalties and pardons awaiting

oh wait, it could still be renewed/recreated

> Democrats have refused to back an extension of Section 702 unless Trump reverses his decision to name Pulte as acting DNI

I guess it's their only card to play but still, how about no warrantless anything considering there's a Constitution and all that

toomuchtodo•about 1 hour ago

This administration has an expiration date.

inigyou•about 1 hour ago

yeah, it's January 2029. That's how the election timetable works. Assuming there's an election.

iAMkenough•about 3 hours ago

Who enforces the Constitution? SCOTUS is capable of reinterpreting any Constitutional right you have and create carve outs for “national security” boogeymen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kavanaugh_stop

galleywest200•about 1 hour ago

SCOTUS has no enforcement mechanism.

US House rejects FISA Section 702 extension, warrantless surveillance expires

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