Back to News
Advertisement
Advertisement

⚡ Community Insights

Discussion Sentiment

71% Positive

Analyzed from 754 words in the discussion.

Trending Topics

#https#org#wikipedia#wiki#war#com#navy#real#british#slavery

Discussion (37 Comments)Read Original on HackerNews

kevin_thibedeauabout 1 hour ago
In 1939 the US had an outdated navy, army, and air corps. European instability is the direct cause of the change in US military and economic dominance.
pjmlpabout 1 hour ago
It helped that US soil was barely touched during both WW.
smashiniabout 1 hour ago
idk, maybe being on an isolated continent really helped
trollbridge31 minutes ago
I would consider Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean to certainly exist, and which formerly were British and Spanish colonies.
fusslo29 minutes ago
Honestly, this is just a bad article.

The history of engineering in the USA is actually SUPER important. The article touches on some restrictions the British imposed on their colonies, but it goes much further. The fight for 'Sovereignty' took a long time and was almost never certain.

I HIGHLY recommend the Yale lecture series. They're not engineering-specific, unfortunately. But still really, really, good (I mean... it's Yale)

The Revolution with Professor Freeman - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTBSGoYtK0&list=PLDA2BC5E78...

America at 250 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TNcFQiqHGw&list=PLh9mgdi4rN...

The Civil War and Reconstruction with David Blight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXp1bHd6gI&list=PL5DD220D6A...

MSkill1about 1 hour ago
I don't think that the corporations and the government would allow a cell phone manufacturer or operating system to be developed that wasn't under their control.
brodouevencode34 minutes ago
The amount of anti-US sentiment and dismissiveness in these comments are just...laughable.
FergusArgyll26 minutes ago
Humans get jealous, it's normal. The best you can do is just scroll past it and resolve not to be that kind of person yourself
hykoabout 2 hours ago
"In 1839 [...] the United States had already defeated Britain’s navy in two wars"

This statement is wrong and trivially falsifiable. Perhaps the author meant that the U.S. had by that point won some naval battles against the British?

mapt36 minutes ago
I completely fail to recall that time we burned down Buckingham Palace. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

We did flex quite a bit on lesser powers, though, even in the 1800s. The US Navy was infamously rebuilt after the revolution to fight a war against Tripoli.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_corsairs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

Before the end of the century we'd fought a hundred or so largely forgotten wars. Who remembers that time we invaded Korea? No, the other one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_expedition_to_Ko...

Or Fiji? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1858_Fiji_expedition

Or New Orleans? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1811_German_Coast_uprising

fussloabout 1 hour ago
yeah, it's worded strangely; as if both conflicts were exclusively/divisively maritime.

Which is a shame because the role of the Colonial Navy and later the U.S. Navy in the war of independence and later in the War of 1812 is actually fascinating and often overlooked

John Paul Jones, for example had an amazing (as in interesting, not 'goodly') life ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones )

And the Battle of Lake Erie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Erie

snowpidabout 2 hours ago
Some nationalistic articles are just cringe.
shapefrogabout 2 hours ago
Kinda glossed over the whole IP theft industrial espionage thing.

Not at all ironic given the shrieking about China.

throwaway2744810 minutes ago
IP theft is not a serious concept lol, particularly in international markets. Serious people refer to this as competition.
mc32about 1 hour ago
Back then there weren’t as many conventions and treaties governing IP, as one might imagine —which is why the British attempted export controls!
shapefrogabout 1 hour ago
I guess the same goes for why the Americans attempt export controls in 2026
pocksuppetabout 1 hour ago
Every successful country has done it. First they make liberal use of others' IP then when they are generating IP themselves they try hard to protect it.

Not limited to IP, they also do this with real property when they can.

Not limited to property, they do this with every single regulation. Think about Europe and chlorinated chicken.

homeonthemtnabout 2 hours ago
This article is cherry picked nonsense.
fussloabout 1 hour ago
It's a 4 minute read.
pasquinelliabout 1 hour ago
is that meant as a response?
metalman43 minutes ago
my oh my, the hardware haters are smoking there hats. the real is all. try it, it's good.
jmyeetabout 1 hour ago
I guess it's time for some jingoistic rewriting of history. If you want to sum up America's rise to power it's the slave trade, war and a healthy dose of luck (eg the Louisiana Purchase).

There is a concerted attempt to rewrite history on slavery. You will hear things like "slavery was an economic drain" or "slavery was inefficient" or even "it was technology like the cotton gin that created wealth, not slavery". All of it's nonsense [1].

It's true that industrialization (particularly the railroad ans mass production of steel) was a huge driver in the mid-19th century but what really kicked the US into high gear was war [2].

It's true that material conditions and real wages started stagnating in the 1970s but this piece writes that off as Wall Street shenanigans. This was a political goal to break organized labor. We had McKinsey producing reports to argue that executives were "underpaid" [3]. The post-war era went from a marginal tax rate of 91% and the CEO to median worker ratio went from 21:1 in 1965 to 351:1 in the 2020s [4]. But also the post-war economy shifted from housing being a utility to being a speculative asset. The median house price went from $18,000 to $26,000 between 1953 and 1973 (in nominal terms) [5] and decreased in real terms. And, well, we know what's happened since.

But what's less well-known is the link between money going into housing and decline in manufacturing. That's not an accident. Why invest money and run a factory when sitting on a house produces a 7%+ real returns that are government-protected?

As for the whole "right to repair" bit for tractors and the like, yeah, companies engage in rent-seeking behavior in a capitalist mode of production. Film at 11.

[1]: https://equitablegrowth.org/new-research-shows-slaverys-cent...

[2]: https://laraballard.substack.com/p/how-the-us-became-the-wor...

[3]: https://observer.com/2013/08/the-godfather-of-ceo-megapay-mc...

[4]: https://x.com/RBReich/status/1575516013009018880

[5]: https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/

Advertisement