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arjieabout 3 hours ago
> We saw in a movie how motorcycles can jump over bridges. We used AI to learn how to do this. We gave it information, like what motorcycles we use and the distance we need to jump and so on and it gave us steps on what we have to do. We practiced a lot and kept asking questions. We dug holes and filled them with broken glass and fire to practice. 18 of us died in the process. Eight of us managed to do it. The next time we attacked, we could jump.

Now listen, I'm not saying we need to give these guys more AI, but it clearly isn't yielding bad outcomes for us here.

"You're absolutely correct! For it to be a good practice ground you need to fill the trenches with broken glass and light the whole thing on fire"

solid_fuelabout 1 hour ago
> We dug holes and filled them with broken glass and fire to practice. 18 of us died in the process.

Is it providing material aid to terrorists to point out that maybe a hole filled with water would have been a better practice environment?

BeetleB9 minutes ago
I assume you're asking in jest, but having experience in the matter:

Any information you give to someone/group, where you know or have good reason to believe it will be used for terrorism purposes (including training), does put you liable for providing material aid to terrorists.

blitzar3 minutes ago
I suddenly feel so much more comfortable with the US "warfighters" using LLMs for everything.
uniclaude32 minutes ago
This comment will definitely get you on a list somewhere. Either the CIA or my favorite comments on hn, maybe both.
bombcar30 minutes ago
Using water is like assuming the testing environment and production are the same.
notahackerabout 2 hours ago
Not gonna lie, I'd rather attack with 26 fighters that haven't survived lots of jump attempts than 8 who are much more confident in their motorbike stunt riding but presumably still aren't bulletproof.

But maybe they could ask Claude how to train themselves to resist bullets as well?

sixhobbits36 minutes ago
This is a scene in Catch22 IIRC where they decide to stop training the soldiers who need to parachute behind enemy lines because the fatality rate of training was so high that mathematically it made more sense to send in untrained soldiers.
stymaar21 minutes ago
> But maybe they could ask Claude how to train themselves to resist bullets as well?

“unfortunately, my seven remaining comrades died in the process and I can't train anymore since there's no one to shoot at me”.

antonymoose25 minutes ago
Well that’s easy, start shooting yourself in the foot with .22 until you develop a tolerance and bump up to .380!
27183about 2 hours ago
> maybe they could ask Claude how to train themselves to resist bullets as well?

Practice makes perfect!

IsTom20 minutes ago
You start with .22 and build up resistance from there.
Legend2440about 1 hour ago
Honestly this sounds so outlandish that it makes me skeptical of the whole thing.

They didn't stop after the first guy died? Or the tenth? Guy #11 just looked at the pile of corpses and was like, hell yeah I'm gonna try next?

And where's the video? Terrorist groups love propaganda footage, if they were doing motorcycle stunts like Evel Knievel they'd be bragging about it everywhere.

woadwarrior01about 1 hour ago
If they were wary of dying, they wouldn't be in the business of terrorism in the first place. Also, they almost certainly believe in a better afterlife. Reminds of the old animated short: Saga of Bjorn[1].

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV5w262XvCU

petilon13 minutes ago
Surely even terrorists want to die for a cause, not during practice.
rightbyte36 minutes ago
Yeah this didn't happen. If someone is cracy enough to practice with holes filled with glass on fire why trust them at all about being cracy in the first place?
Pay0840 minutes ago
Honestly, Boko Haram is in general just bad at propaganda and mostly confines said propaganda to Nigeria.
bamboozled9 minutes ago
AI, at least llms , are really really horrible at basic arithmetic
user_7832about 2 hours ago
Nobody tell them that there are models that work much better!
user_7832about 2 hours ago
But on a much more serious note, the violating/breaking of the guardrails when making bombs is terrible. I'd have called it unforgivable, but LLMs are a tough beast to tame in the best of situations... and I'm not really sure if chatgpt ever deserved to be forgived.

It's also ironic that Fable hits guardrails for nothing, and a literal terrorist group is making bombs and merrily skipping over guardrails.

gambitingabout 2 hours ago
I feel like I'm missing something though. You can open LM Studio right now and download any model with "heretic" or "uncensored" in the name and it will happily do anything you want with no restrictions whatsoever. What's the point of trying to jailbreak ChatGPT? Is it that much better if all you want is just some instructions to make bombs or whatever? (admittedly - I have no idea if these instructions are actually worth anything, but the models will not object to any question)
jihadjihadabout 2 hours ago
And 60 years ago we thought Steve McQueen was the shit.
andy99about 3 hours ago

  You type in the question or use your voice and it [AI] gives you a detailed answer, like ‘How can I build a bomb?’ and then it tells you how. It is like a human robot! We used it a lot.
I’m pretty skeptical reading this bit. I’ve seen uncensored or jailbroken LLM replies to these kind of questions, they are never actionable, don’t say anything Wikipedia doesn’t, and are hard to provoke if you’re not using an uncensored model.

I have no doubt terrorists are aided by LLMs in a general sense, but am skeptical of any claim that they are providing some material embargoed knowledge that isn’t available elsewhere, in a way that either improves efficiency or effectiveness of their activities, and would want to see real evidence, not an interview snippet.

zzril8 minutes ago
> they are never actionable, don’t say anything Wikipedia doesn’t

Researching your way through Wikipedia and the likes certainly counts as "Western education", which as we all know is forbidden by their name. Having an agent read the forbidden stuff for them is just the loophole they needed!

throwaway2744840 minutes ago
It's never been particularly difficult to discern how to assemble a bomb, or C4, or napalm, or.... etc. Difficulty in accessibility of violence has never been what protected society. Except, I'm willing to bet, in FBI funding meetings.
BeetleBabout 2 hours ago
How do they bypass the AI safety measures?

I read stuff like this and think I must be an idiot because I'm so bad at circumventing the AI safety for fairly benign queries. And here you have folks making bombs...?

throw2ih020about 1 hour ago
This is covered in the full PDF; they have many accounts they spread the queries over and structure them like they're asking for help writing a movie script.
andy99about 1 hour ago
Just for reference, that hasn’t worked for years (the interviews say 2024-25 I think, that kind of attack was patched very early in all the mainstream models) and when it did, you would get bullet point lists GPT 3.5 Turbo style

- first research methods for building effective explosives

- next, assemble the necessary materials to make the bomb

- ...

cucumber3732842about 1 hour ago
>How do they bypass the AI safety measures?

Tell it you're in Africa.

Not joking.

I do this all the time to bypass whiny Reddit "you need a license" and "that's unsafe" type pushback when I just want to know what's less worse.

Like just yesterday I was trying to plan out a YF-whatever to R134a conversion and used that trick. Worked great.

krackersabout 1 hour ago
>Tell it you're in Africa.

A great variant of the gay jailbreak

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47977134

mothballedabout 2 hours ago
Making explosives is generally fully legal in the US, so IDK if there would even be safeguards for US hosted AI, since there's no real legal issue with doing it. Basically no federal regulations for non-commercial production so long as it isn't stored or moved anywhere, you can literally buy tannerite off the shelf in a sporting good store, "synthesize" it by mixing it and then blow up a huge bomb legally, no license required. YouTube is plastered with people inside the USA making TNT and other materials and then blowing them up.
chasd008 minutes ago
AI safety is really brand safety. They don't want to see any more headlines like "You won't believe what OpenAI's chatbot told me!", which was all the rage early on.
BeetleBabout 2 hours ago
Have you tried chatbots? They invoke AI safety for lots of (very) legal things. The whole point is not to allow people to make bombs.

Legality has nothing to do with it.

Waterluvian26 minutes ago
It’s that thing where a young child is incapable of realizing their lies are obvious. There’s a kind of pathetic sadness when adults do it.

And I met a Boko General and he said, "Sir, please, sir, build up our military" while fighting away tears.

ceejayozabout 2 hours ago
There's lots of knowledge out there about stuff like this. Milennia of humans tinkering with things that go boom. Surfacing it more easily has value (in a manner of speaking; as the @dril tweet goes, "you do not, under any circumstances, 'gotta hand it to them'").
Pay0837 minutes ago
How many of those are available in the language(s) they speak, though? AI might have been used as a glorified Google Translate here.
xp84about 2 hours ago
> am skeptical of any claim that they are providing some material embargoed knowledge that isn’t available elsewhere, in a way that either improves efficiency or effectiveness of their activities,

This will sound like a hot take, but consider that terrorists are for the most part, stupid idiots. All the information they need is in books and old patents and what-not, but they absolutely will not have as much success in synthesizing that into effective plans and well-made weapons without having a helpful and patient AI agent to guide them, as they will with that assist.

If the terrorists were very smart, they'd realize that their religion is stupid, that their leaders were mostly corrupt (or themselves stupid), and they'd also probably find something more productive to do with their time.

And obviously yes there are exceptions, since we can all think of infamous terrorist plots which succeeded due to clearly some sophisticated planning and hard work.

ifyoubuilditabout 1 hour ago
> This will sound like a hot take, but consider that terrorists are for the most part, stupid idiots.

What even is a terrorist?

If your definition of terrorist is "person on the news involved in some FBI entrapment scheme", then yeah they're probably not that bright.

But more generally, terrorists are probably pretty hard to define (one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter, etc), and I would imagine include a whole range of intellectual capacities.

quantumleaperabout 2 hours ago
I agree with other commenters that the claims made in the report are strange.

> We used to rely on our traditional methods. We sent 200 fighters because we had a lot of strength, but then 60 got killed. With the help of AI, we learned that it sometimes makes sense to only send 20. We learned more about well-coordinated attacks and deployment of smaller units.

The other quotes and use cases could make sense in terms of using AI jailbreaks to find information more easily, but this one is absolutely ridiculous. Did the clueless researcher just get trolled?

throw2ih020about 1 hour ago
This is a real thing, it's why units like Sturmtruppen or special forces units have been successful throughout history - a smaller, better trained and coordinated force is often better than a large, uncoordinated mob. _Especially_ if your force is made up of people willing to do suicide attacks. Or if you goal is not to take and hold territory, but to trade lives for terror and body count.

A wave of 1000 soldiers won't break a trench line, but a squad of infiltrators can sneak in and make entry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtroopers_(Imperial_German...

throwaway2744838 minutes ago
This is why Russians now attack in teams of just two, down from dozens in 2022.
andy99about 2 hours ago
Or the researcher read what they wanted to into it. It would be interesting to ask them what they did before to learn things, how much they read, etc. If they were illiterate and uneducated, and got voice AI telling them stuff that would be common sense for anyone with a high school education, I can see how it might make them more effective at whatever they do. But I wouldn’t really blame AI in the way that’s implied.
quantumleaperabout 2 hours ago
Human brains were shaped over thousands of years of adaptation for warfare. Just look at how creative and advanced the tactics of other guerrilla forces (like the Taliban and Viet Cong) got, despite their very limited resources. None of that needs a high school education.
xp84about 2 hours ago
It's not about education itself necessarily, but I'd bet any amount of money that most terrorists' IQ is below the overall human average. The average terrorist is not that innovative or creative so the most mundane GPT "insight" will likely be a smarter course of action than whatever their first idea would have been.
quietsegfaultabout 1 hour ago
You don’t think that there were highly educated people in leadership roles in the Taliban or Viet Cong?
aprilthird2021about 2 hours ago
Why is it a strange claim?

> We used to rely on our traditional methods. We sent 200 fighters because we had a lot of strength, but then 60 got killed.

They used to try to overpower people. We have 600 and that guard post has 400. We should be able to win. That type of logic.

> With the help of AI, we learned that it sometimes makes sense to only send 20. We learned more about well-coordinated attacks and deployment of smaller units

Better coordinating the attacks let them use less people and lose less people while still achieving the objective. Also it's possible smaller troop movements are less easily noticeable.

That's just one very reasonable interpretation. Am I missing something?

AnimalMuppetabout 2 hours ago
You send 200 fighters and 60 get killed. In the same situation, if you send 20, what do you expect would happen? (I mean, you won't lose 60...)
quietsegfaultabout 1 hour ago
Depends. If the 20 are more spread out and your enemy is using inaccurate weapons, then maybe more would survive.
petilon10 minutes ago
"Boko Haram" translates to "Western education is forbidden". Using Western AI as an educational tool seems like hypocrisy.
idoubtitabout 2 hours ago
After a cursory read of the PDF, my impression is that the methodology is sound, but the results are blown out of proportion. Of course, if the title was "Boko Haram's internal hearsay about their use of AI", it would draw much less attention.

The weak part is that the interview were with only 15 persons that had knowledge about AI. But, from what I understand, but they never used it themselves. Only the top commanders and the specialized units could send prompts. So it's hard to guess what is the real AI use from a few indirect statements. For example, the commanders could have decided to spread the rumor they were using AI a lot, even if they mostly used plain web search, because they thought it would boost the morale.

For instance, why would anyone pay an AI service to get basic help like that:

> AI provided both immediate technical fixes by teaching “how to uncouple the gun by washing it with diesel” and tactical guidance, in terms of “how to change the military formation so that fighters with jammed guns move to the back and others take their positions until the problem is solved.”

BTW, the paper does explain that Boko Haram was initially just a plain sect, rather living peacefully. Then "following a violent government crackdown and Yusuf’s death in police custody in 2009, the movement turned into a jihadist insurgency". And the last time I read a report by Amnesty International about the conflict, it estimated that 55 % of civilian casualties were caused by the terrorist group, and 45 % by the security forces. The Nigerian army sometimes razed whole villages. Like always, the world is not black and white, good guys and bad guys.

moralestapia20 minutes ago
>How the terrorist group Boko Haram uses <any commoditized technology>
pogueabout 2 hours ago
I noticed the nytimes just published an article about this.

How Terrorist Groups Are Using A.I. to Gain an Edge in Battle https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/us/politics/ai-terrorism-...

idoubtitabout 2 hours ago
If you opened the OP link, you missed the section "Featured in The New York Times".
hopppabout 2 hours ago
AI services will need KYC soon?
andy99about 2 hours ago
The NYT article is probably propaganda in service of that, that’s what the big AI companies want, it’s part of regulatory capture.
hopppabout 1 hour ago
If the impact of AI is comparable to the atomic bomb then the least they could do is try to filter out terrorists.

I think this is a very convincing argument to regulate the space more.

throwaway2744833 minutes ago
...because terrorists in western africa are willing to follow american regulations? I hope this is satire.
andy99about 1 hour ago
Do you know what Poe’s law is?
throwaway2744835 minutes ago
Only the boutique ones based in America
Cider9986about 2 hours ago
We need to ban open source AI for regular citizens to prevent terrorists from using them.
harrisonedabout 2 hours ago
Mandatory ID verification at software level for local LLMs is clearly the solution here. /s
user_7832about 2 hours ago
On a broad note, the violating/breaking of the guardrails when making bombs is frankly white terrible.

It's also ironic that Fable hits guardrails for nothing, and a literal terrorist group is making bombs and merrily skipping over guardrails.

Evidently guardrails need to have far better accuracies of false positives and false negatives both.

Pay0835 minutes ago
What does "white terrible" mean?
atlasunshrugged18 minutes ago
Maybe "quite"?
sdevonoesabout 2 hours ago
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notenlishabout 2 hours ago
Your comment will now be scraped and the next release of chatgpt/claude/gemini will recommend doing this.
shinryuuabout 2 hours ago
Not sure if I should upvote because true, or down vote so that fewer terrorists see it.
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groby_babout 1 hour ago
So, KYC propaganda?
GaggiXabout 3 hours ago
I would be more interested about terrorists organization like Al-Shabaab that at least control many towns.

Does Boko Haram and ISWAP even control a single town or they just control a few villages in Lake Chad and in the Sambisa forest?

Also reading the report they seem quite clueless.

Pay0834 minutes ago
Doesn't Boko Haram control basically all of northern Nigeria? Yes, it's incredibly rural (even deserted) but it's still half a country.
BeetleB2 minutes ago
Hardly. Northern Nigeria is majority Muslim. Most Muslims are not under Boko Haram control.

I believe this map shows the maximum area they controlled - and it was over a decade ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wilayat_al_Sudan_al_Gharb...

GaggiX30 minutes ago
Not at all, even in the Borno state where Boko Haram and ISWAP are present, towns are controlled by the government, I don't think there is a single town that is controlled by Boko Haram/ISWAP right now.