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haunterabout 1 hour ago
For single countries though the Interrail not worth it, or more like make your own research

For example in Hungary we have an unlimited pass for ~53€ a month, valid on all trains and multiple public transport options (almost everything in Budapest included) https://bkk.hu/en/tickets-and-passes/prices/hungary-pass-ful...

Whereas a 3 days in 1 month Interrail pass is 79€ https://www.interrail.com/en/interrail-passes/one-country-pa...

cromka6 minutes ago
"The crew just opened the doors to let a breeze in - very little health-and-safety culture here!"

That's a bit presumptuous...

jmkdabout 2 hours ago
The best part of interailling for me was turning up to a major train station, looking at the giant departure board, choosing an enigmatic destination and just getting on the train. No booking or reservations or even planning at any point.

Is this not possible any more?

jamescrowleyabout 2 hours ago
Quite a few countries (France, Spain, Italy for starters) require seat reservations in advance for any long-distance/high-speed trains now. And worse, they have a quota for passes, so even if the train has space, you might not be able to reserve a seat and therefore get on the train. A real shame as it makes it far less flexible than before.
edentabout 2 hours ago
Yes. The app makes it really easy to do that. In our last trip we did it a few times.

But, as you get older, there's a certain joy in making plans in advance.

embedding-shapeabout 2 hours ago
> But, as you get older, there's a certain joy in making plans in advance.

Am I the only one who feels the opposite? I used to take great care in making plans, knowing what's up ahead, knowing what I should know and so on. Spontaneous moments like "Lets go to X" were very infrequent. Nowadays, as a Proper Adult, I much more like going places without knowing anything about them, with as little plans as possible, figuring out what the place is from the people I meet there, and only start reading about the place once I'm there.

kd5bjoabout 2 hours ago
I fall somewhere in the middle these days- I really like knowing in advance that I have a place to sleep each night and that I have a way to get there, but then just do whatever I feel like in the moment for everything else.
iso1631about 2 hours ago
I never really planned in my youth, however as I'm older I have more responsibilities and planning in advance. We've just booked part of our summer family holiday for example
jmkdabout 2 hours ago
Thanks, great to know. I hear you on at least knowing where you might sleep. Age 18-23 even this isn't that critical, when 'beach' or 'park' are viable answers.
vachinaabout 2 hours ago
I used to do this but with Flixbuses and Ryanair. Back then one could fly from Frankfurt am Main to Milan for 15 euros.
gib444about 2 hours ago
For faster/intercity trains, it is still like that in Switzerland, Austria, Germany, The Netherlands, UK, Ireland, Denmark, Norway and most of central and eastern Europe [0]

France, Italy, Spain, Portugal & Sweden require seat reservations, as do most international services

Making reservations varies from easy to a complete pain

[0] https://www.seat61.com/how-to-use-an-interrail-pass.htm

Cockbrandabout 2 hours ago
I remember that there had been a discussion about providing free Interrail tickets to all EU citizens at some age (18 or 19 maybe?), which I found a brilliant idea. I don't know whether this actually ever materialized, though.
haunterabout 1 hour ago
jgrahamc19 minutes ago
In the middle of my doctorate I had a mini-crisis of "I'm not smart enough and I'm never going to manage this", got mononucleosis, and decided the cure was the US equivalent (the USA Rail Pass: https://www.amtrak.com/tickets/departure-rail-pass.html).

I spent weeks and weeks traveling around the US. The Amtrak system is much maligned but you get to move at a slow pace and see the country and meet people (some of which you would prefer to have not met).

I highly recommend doing it if you want to get a sense of the scale and diversity of the US.

During this trip, at the recommendation of a friend, I read (or tried to read) a number of "American classic" books which I would finish and then leave on the train for someone else to read. Catch in the Rye, Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Great Gatsby, ... The only book I couldn't finish was, ironically, On The Road which I found utterly tedious.

raphinouabout 2 hours ago
I would love to take an Interrail, eg to visit France, but it's x days in one month (8 days is 292€ per person) and doesn't match my travel habits. I would prefer to make short travels everyday rather than long travels 8 days of the month.

Edit: global passes let you travel everyday of your pass, with passes of up to 3 months: https://www.interrail.com/en/interrail-passes/global-pass

cuvertabout 1 hour ago
For small trips through France you'll probably get cheaper without this pass. When I'm in vacation I do 2-3 days in a city than move on. If I exclude Milano-Lyon, I don't think I ever payed more than 40€ through France and I did Lyon, Paris, Rennes, Brest, Nantes, Bordeaux and a few other cities. The only thing is that I book way in advance.

When I returned from Germany, two months ago, the lady next to me was amazed that I payed Munchen-Verona 37€ while she did 100+.

kleiba2about 2 hours ago
Prediction: Germany is going to be your worst train experience.
embedding-shapeabout 2 hours ago
Prediction: You haven't trained a lot outside of Europe if you think the training experience in Germany would be "your worst train experience".
Milner08about 2 hours ago
Worst during the interrail trip. It was for me and it wasn't even close.
embedding-shapeabout 2 hours ago
> Worst during the interrail trip.

That wouldn't surprise me. "your worst train experience" still would, unless the person only taken trains in Europe. But the world is big, and some places are just on a different level. Ever taken a train in India? I'd like to hear those people complain about the German train experience :)

whazorabout 2 hours ago
I remember from my interrail planning that big parts of Europe are not nice to visit due to too slow trains. I heard EU wants to fix this though

German train delays are not a big blocker because you normally plan a whole day train travel to go from A to B and being one or two hours late is not too bad.

panick21_about 2 hours ago
Actually no. German trains are often late, true, but outside of that its actually very nice. There are a lots of lines and lots of collections. The only time its a bad idea is if you have a real time constraints.
Someoneabout 1 hour ago
But the problem is: everybody doing a trip with a transfer has real-time constraints.

With Interrail, that is doable. You’ll have to mostly plan for overnight stays in large cities, but that’s what most Interrail users want to, anyways.

michelbabout 2 hours ago
Germany is quite predictable compared to some other countries.
robert_fossabout 2 hours ago
It is predictably bad. I think I'm 5/5 for my last few trips with big delays or even cancellations of legs.
leastangleabout 2 hours ago
I Interrailed through Northern and Eastern Europe 20 years ago when it was mostly used by students? It was amazing and I really think it brings europeans closer together. Glad it is still around!
immmmmmabout 1 hour ago
I just love long rail trips, often do Switzerland-Tunis via Palermo to see my in law family. Best trip ever was Tbilisi-Zurich via Batumi, ferry to Odessa Kyiv and Vienna.
mrtksnabout 1 hour ago
Just like with the Erasmus program, it’s a transformative experience. It immunizes you against the BS you see on the internet about countries and people, be it the hype or fear mongering kind of BS. I did Greece-Bulgaria-Turkey many years ago back in college and since can just turn blind eye to the stuff Turks may say about Greeks and vice versa with no effort.

Just doesn't trigger me, I have seen the non-touristy parts of those countries on my journey and neither the hate nor the hype rings a bell. It's one of those low-key super successful government stuff. Maybe something like that should exist on global scale.

ben_w41 minutes ago
> Maybe something like that should exist on global scale.

Would certainly change things, e.g. the US looked far less glamorous when I actually visited it*, but there's a lot more variation in certain parts of the world than between nearby parts of continental Europe, e.g. Nairobi not only had some very nice looking newly built stuff (the first pictures for the city on Google Maps seem to be glamour shots), but also this: https://www.google.de/maps/place/Nairobi,+Kenya/@-1.2442837,...

* landed at SFO, even just the literal bed in the hotel room was larger than some entire rooms I've stayed in, then I look out of the windows and think "1980s parody of Butlins in 1960" ("Hi-de-Hi!" was part of my childhood TV).

hutattedonmyarmabout 3 hours ago
I went on my first Interrail trip last year. It was a single country trip though. Can absolutely recommend it!
embedding-shapeabout 3 hours ago
Is it Interrail if it's just in one country? Isn't that just a normal rail pass then? :P
pchangrabout 3 hours ago
Not all countries have a rail pass and not all countries offer a 100% discount pass. And even less offer a 100% discount on all trains and for non residents
embedding-shapeabout 3 hours ago
Right, but then "Inter" = "Borrowed from Latin inter- (“between, amid”), a form of prepositional inter (“between”)".

Seems more like parent did Intrarail to me.

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ricardobeatabout 2 hours ago
> very little health and safety

There is this thing called “common sense” :)

TrackerFFabout 2 hours ago
Is interrail still a thing? It was popular in Europe back in the 70s and 80s, when young people could buy a interrail pass. Many of my older relatives (now in their 60s) did that back then, but it was more or less dead when I was old enough in the early 00s. By that time, budget airlines had become a thing, and summer/party trips to Spain / Mediterranean started to dominate my peers' summer vacations.
NoboruWataya4 minutes ago
When I graduated uni in the late 2010s it was still quite popular. Budget airlines have made trips to southern Europe a lot more popular/feasible for a boozy weekend with mates, but for people who want to go backpacking for a month or two Interrail still made a lot of sense, at that time at least.
Bewelgeabout 2 hours ago
"more or less dead when I was old enough in the early 00s"

Think it was just your peer group then. It's still very much a thing. Did it in my youth twice, once at 16 years once at 18 around 2010. I know my cousin who is >10 years younger than me also did it sometime in the last 5 years. Among my peers it was fairly common but it was not done by the majority. If I'd have to guess I'd say 10-20% did it at some point towards the end of highschool.

We also did party trips but that's just a different kind of trip and doesn't really mean the other thing is dead.

edentabout 2 hours ago
No, I just imagined the trip…

Yes, very much still a thing. We saw Interrail travellers of all ages. Lots of students going on a big adventure - but a decent number of more experienced travellers seeing the sights.

worldsayshiabout 2 hours ago
I've used Interrail every time I want to travel a longer distance across Europe by train. Spares me some of the stress of dealing with interruptions since I can often just hop on the next train. Unless it's fully booked...
Milner08about 2 hours ago
I did it in 2010 and I think the majority of my friends have done it over the years. At least around that time it still seemed very much alive for people in the UK.
pchangrabout 2 hours ago
Interrail is sometimes cheaper, specially as a student. Otherwise it’s usually still cheaper if you want to go to multiple stops
gib444about 2 hours ago
AntonTrollbackabout 1 hour ago
Self promotion, support a long time HN reader and get your pass via https://allaboard.eu/eurail or https://allaboard.eu/interrail

It’s actually more affordable via us, as prices are net and we do free refunds. Loosing the Stripe fee but it’s worth it.

edentabout 1 hour ago
How do you handle seat reservation refunds? That was our most annoying experience with the Interrail app - a booking fee on top of the reservation, but little support when those trains were delayed or cancelled.
AntonTrollbackabout 1 hour ago
We do sell seat reservations (https://allaboard.eu/book) and some are refundable but most are not. Depending on the operator.

Delay or cancellation compensation is different. You can then contact our support and we’ll help with making that claim.

danshiptabout 3 hours ago
Any estimate on how much would the trip have cost? Just Interrail price
edentabout 2 hours ago
The passes were about €500 each for first class. Each reservation was €3-€15. The overnight ferry was about €100 each.
foresterreabout 2 hours ago
In addition, there's about 2x year a 25% sale and you have a year to activate the passes.

The in southern Europe (e.g. France, Spain, Italy), required seat reservation is most common and most expensive.

I don't mind requiring seat reservations, but that it is separate from the ticket price and significant (eg 15€/seat reservation in Italy), feels like price gouging. It also feels different from say the optional (and way lower priced seat reservations in German ICE's (high speed rail)). I rather pay for a "high speed rail supplement" instead of seat reservation haha :).

I interrailed last year through Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Italy and Switzerland.

In Germany I was lucky, I only had a small delay on the way back.

Austria was exceptional in everything. On time, modern trains and facilities. I guess the food on the train was expensive and bland, but I've never seen a train where that's different.

Slovenia was the weirdest and had the most delays. Train cars for which I had seat reservations consistently didn't exist or arrive. They use old stock, but that also made it kind of fun and there were great views. I couldn't rely on the time table though.

Italy has lots of high speed rail, but required (paid) seat reservations. The problem is that for almost any medium-long distance there's no slower speed alternative. The normal speed stock is fine (can be taken to go to smaller cities) and was generally on time.

Trains in Switzerland are exceptional too. Funnily enough, I did have fairly significant delays 2/5 times.

trinix912about 1 hour ago
As a Slovenian I’m always impressed when tourists take the train and make it through the country without huge delays or replacement bus service. The trains here are just awful, the main line (Koper-Ljubljana-Maribor) is the worst. Lots of construction work that never seems to end. There are still Yugoslav cars in use occasionally on some more remote lines.
jmkdabout 2 hours ago
Wow that's a fantastic deal. I seem to remember it was about £280 in the 90s for standard class, 30 day unlimited.
gib444about 2 hours ago
> Eurostar St Pancras is dangerously crowded and needs tearing down

Agreed. It's horrific. They need to get rid of some of the shops, knock through, and double or triple the size of the departure lounge. EES has made it even more chaotic.

We do this all the time in the UK - give too much space to retail. You can understand why though - we spend like crazy at airports and railway stations.

I did a first class Interrail earlier this year, not planning much, not staying in hostels. It was quite stressful as unsurprisingly Paris, Milan, Florence etc are popular and expensive places! Trying to chase good weather was annoying as it was a terrible winter in much Europe - we had all this flexibility but didn't want to go anywhere as everywhere was cloudy and rainy.

We ended up abandoning it half way through, when we were in southern Spain during the terrible week of multiple derailments. We aren't religious but we took that as a sign to head home

I'm still committed to trains but I wouldn't repeat the experience. I would base myself somewhere with good trains, stay somewhere a bit cheaper, and do day trips via train