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stuxnet79about 1 hour ago
Note that some of the entries here are clearly outdated. I've cycled through some "global south" countries that I'm familiar with and what's shown may have been true maybe 15-20 years ago. GDP has 4x since then and at the same salary level the lifestyle is either equivalent or better than the richer countries.
bellowsgulch3 minutes ago
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onraglanroadabout 1 hour ago
To give context on my other comments, where I live in Scotland, median full time wage is around $55k.

You can live a perfectly comfortable life on that; you don't have to worry about bills or medical expenses, and you can afford to get a mortgage and buy a house (probably costing around $300k or so)

That's why I'm surprised about people from a richer nation saying they can't afford things.

Pooge27 minutes ago
> That's why I'm surprised about people from a richer nation saying they can't afford things

If you had the same salary in Switzerland or Luxembourg which, believe it or not, is not impossible, there would be a lot of items that you can't afford. Salary is important but cost of living matters as well. Granted, inside the same country, figures could change drastically but people tend to live where there are lots of job opportunities where it's more expensive.

DontchaKnowit23 minutes ago
How can you afford a 300k mortgage at 55k a year. That would be a very large percent of monthly pay right?
scotty7910 minutes ago
Modern lifestyle seems to start at $700-$800 per month per adult pretty much everywhere and doesn't get much better even at few k.
forshaperabout 2 hours ago
I've generally loved this site. Wondering what other distributions could be made so visual, where people near the top complain about the people just above them.
smusamashahabout 1 hour ago
Click the Families dropdown. There are many other things, including beds, pets, toys and teeth.
joncpabout 1 hour ago
Whoa, nice reminder of how filthy rich I and almost everyone I know are.
qurrenabout 2 hours ago
It's interesting that $14000/month is "rich" on this website, and some people earning $100/month actually own houses.

Meanwhile people making $50000/month in San Francisco can't afford a house because half of it is taxed away and housing is astronomically expensive.

tjohnsabout 2 hours ago
You have it backwards. Housing is astronomically expensive in San Francisco precisely because there are so many people with high incomes bidding against each other.

When you have a highly inelastic supply (constrained by zoning laws, density limits, and geographical boundaries), prices rise to the maximum margin of what the highest-income buyers are capable of paying.

Regarding taxes: Since taxes apply to all local high-earners equally, it doesn't change their relative purchasing power against one another in the local housing market. If taxes were suddenly halved, that extra liquidity would be priced into the next bidding war, driving home prices even higher.

EPWN3Dabout 2 hours ago
I promise you that someone in SF making $50k/month can comfortably afford a very nice house.
qurrenabout 2 hours ago
I promise you not. Houses here cost $2M+ for something livable and $1M for something with mold and other safety issues.

When half that $50K gets taxed, half of what's remaining has to be saved up for retirement in a place that deeply discriminates against age, you don't have much left to save up for buying a $2M house.

skissaneabout 2 hours ago
> half of what's remaining has to be saved up for retirement in a place that deeply discriminates against age, you don't have much left to save up for buying a $2M house.

Buying a $2M house is saving for retirement. Owning your own home in retirement is a massive financial win. And if you own a home in an expensive market, you can sell it, buy one in a more affordable market, and then the difference is unlocked retirement savings.

onraglanroadabout 2 hours ago
Ok, I made my other comment before seeing this but I find it very difficult to believe you can't find something reasonable for far less.
dwa3592about 1 hour ago
I am not even sure if you are being sarcastic.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/80-Prentiss-St-San-Franci...

check this out.

onraglanroadabout 2 hours ago
If your net pay is $7000 per month you absolutely can afford to own a house, you're just being fussy about the house you want.
burner420042about 2 hours ago
Does the website reference net or gross monthly income?

Edit:

So the numbers are not a direct exchange rate to USD.

Q: How were dollar values assigned to households? A: The households’ door numbers represent the consumption values (US dollars) that each adult in the household has per month. This figure comes from a combination of the household’s self-reported consumption and income levels. We then checked the official cost of living data in each country to adjust the values for purchasing power parity (PPP) and converted the value into US dollars. Read more about how we assigned the Dollar Street values here.

jt2190about 1 hour ago
The housing market is highly dependent on the job market so no, it’s not “being fussy”, it’s “I need to live here so I can have a job and income”. Unless you’re suggesting that people should quit their jobs and go get that cheap house in the middle of nowhere?
onraglanroadabout 1 hour ago
What does the person who fixes your toilet do? Or prepares your meal? Or basically lives the Fight Club life?
jltsirenabout 1 hour ago
Its more about where you want to live.

I'm not familiar with the situation in San Francisco. But in Santa Cruz, the cost to own with a 20% down payment is ~50% higher than the rent for the same unit. If you can't afford a substantially higher down payment, you're not really in the market for a home.

With $7k/month after tax, you would probably be renting an 1br, or maybe a cheap 2br. But your income is not high enough to buy anything, unless you start looking for homes well outside the town.

drivebyhootingabout 2 hours ago
If you’re gonna have kids, fussy means: * have decent schools * not covered in lead or asbestos * not next to a highway
qurrenabout 2 hours ago
+

* in an area not going to get shot or mugged

* structurally earthquake safe so that we don't die

qurrenabout 2 hours ago
You're not going to save up for a $1-2M house very fast on $7000/month, when you also have to live off that $7K, pay rent, pay medical bills, and save up for retirement expenses.
tenuousemphasisabout 2 hours ago
Globally, $14k/mo is unbelievably, obscenely rich.