Qwen-Image-3.0: Rich Content, Authentic Details, Deep Knowledge

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mynti•about 5 hours ago

To me it feels so weird that people are trying to push these model for online shopping like "here is how this dress/shirt/pants would look on you". But these models will always make the clothes fit your body and show you in flattering light and so on. How the actual garment fits is still as elusive as before these tools

teraflop•37 minutes ago

The short-term goal of a tool like this is to sell products. The more ambitious long-term goal is to shift cultural norms, blurring the lines between advertising and reality until the question you're asking is no longer consciously asked. At least, not by average people, and not at the point of purchase.

I find it easy to envision a world, maybe 50 years from now, in which the very concept of "truth in advertising" is viewed as a lost, idyllic fantasy. Something people are nostalgic for, but feel powerless to regain.

dataflow•13 minutes ago

> I find it easy to envision a world, maybe 50 years from now, in which the very concept of "truth in advertising" is viewed as a lost, idyllic fantasy.

From what I hear that's already the case right now with much more consequential transactions, like renting real estate in NYC. Square footages that are blatant lies, etc.

verisimi•9 minutes ago

> I find it easy to envision a world, maybe 50 years from now, in which the very concept of "truth in advertising" is viewed as a lost, idyllic fantasy.

I find it easy now!

khurs•about 5 hours ago

As long as the Product Manger gets a bonus/promotion then it's a success.

victorbjorklund•about 2 hours ago

Is it gonna be less distorted than just seeing the shirt on a model photographed by a professional in the perfect light?

collinmcnulty•about 1 hour ago

Yes, because it is the actual dimensions of the real shirt.

smith7018•about 1 hour ago

Many product/model shots actually use clips to make the clothing look like it's perfectly fitted to the body. [1] This image is actually over 15 years old at this point. I think there should be laws that prevent this because it veers into false advertising though others believe it's alright because you can theoretically tailor the clothes to fit like this.

Regardless, I'd rather see real clothing on a real person when it comes to my purchasing decisions. I buy a lot of vintage clothes online and I've noticed a dramatic uptick in AI images of models wearing the clothes. I've never once bought from those sellers because it feels disingenuous. Sometimes they have fake runways which is actual false advertising because it makes the item appear more expensive than it really is. I've also noticed that the AI models' body types are always thin even if the item is a L or XL. Needless to say, the AI isn't showing me what an XL looks like on a small model; it's showing what a small model would look like if the item fit perfectly.

[1] https://www.primermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/St...

coldtea•about 1 hour ago

Yes, because at least that won't be flattering you (not to mention it would be showing the actual garment).

k2enemy•about 4 hours ago

I've noticed something similar in Facebook marketplace ads for used furniture. Most of the images are AI generated to look like a Pottery Barn catalog, then the last image will be the actual item, full of scratches and other damage, sitting in a messy garage.

mikepurvis•about 1 hour ago

I've started to see this on Etsy and Wayfair too, where there will be a listing that is clearly just MDF flatpack being resold from China, but the AI-generated images wildly exaggerate the proportions of it.

Here's a recent example: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/4509158065/corner-wall-shelf...

Ironically, ChatGPT is decently good at ferreting these out. Like I sent it a screenshot of that listing and it not only helped me find where the original item was for sale, but also pointed out how the dimensioned diagram shows it as being just 49" tall, whereas the "in real life" image looks like it's at least six feet, based on it coming up over the top of the picture frame.

I ended up engaging a local woodworker to make me a piece like it instead. Obviously way, way more expensive, but it will be real solid walnut finished to match my dining table.

aembleton•about 3 hours ago

Estate agents are also doing it; making interiors of houses look very different to how they really are.

spaceman_2020•about 1 hour ago

This should really be illegal

jeremyjh•about 3 hours ago

Yes and even if all they do is ask it to stage an empty room picture with furniture and decorations it will make improvements like adding a doorway to a room that doesn’t exist.

skinfaxi•about 2 hours ago

Seems like false advertising.

QuantumGood•about 3 hours ago

And knocking out the messy garage background to replace it with a showroom is the easiest prompt.

number6•about 5 hours ago

Sounds exactly like something the marketing department would use to up the convertion rate

brookst•about 3 hours ago

The more honest ones are “how it looks on you” and don’t promise fit that depends on so many measurements that aren’t even visible in pics.

Sure, it’s idealized, but some people benefit from seeing color / neckline / etc on themselves as a visual reference.

Me, I’m a text-learner so I don’t get it at all. But I know people who get value.

jliptzin•about 4 hours ago

If it doesn’t fit, then you must have gained weight while the item was in transit

agile-gift0262•about 3 hours ago

You can fix it through our partner, Ozempic

viraptor•about 5 hours ago

There's definitely a predatory "everything will look good", but you can also leverage exactly that part for your own purposes - I've done pre-shopping a couple of times by asking for something like "a grid of 9 versions of my photo, wearing different types of X that look good". Definitely helped with choosing a good style.

pwillia7•about 3 hours ago

I bet if you had a way to easily train a LORA on you trying on various clothing types the models would do pretty well but I agree without that I can't think of a way to get it to work. Reminds me of the flattering mirrors scam https://finance.yahoo.com/news/company-swears-controversial-...

therealpygon•about 2 hours ago

Good or bad, I’m pretty sure showing things in the best light has always been the point of “marketing”. There is a reason ads aren’t filled with ugly people with misshaped bodies, and it isn’t because the intention is to reflect reality, so what you allude to as problematic is what a lot of businesses call a feature.

sixothree•14 minutes ago

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere people can sell re-sell clothes. They can include a picture of themselves wearing the item and it replaces literally everything but the clothing with someone/someplace "prettier".

In the end the one thing that is completely honest is the portion of the picture that is the item you are re-selling. But somehow to me the entire thing feels disingenuous.

zkmon•about 1 hour ago

How does this fry pan look with a fish in it? Ask Mr Bean.

LogicFailsMe•about 2 hours ago

I use nanobanana 2 to test changes in paint and flooring/tiling to great success. And the real pro move is taking those images to a designer to tweak the remaining 20% or so.

walrus01•about 5 hours ago

The cynic in me says this is just an advancement and logical continuation from the known problem of sycophantic behavior in text-to-text chatbot format LLM, to image generation models.

inerte•about 3 hours ago

To me the tools are newer, but fit people in a controlled context to sell clothing is as old as photography itself.

jareklupinski•about 4 hours ago

i'd like it to notice things i would miss, like "this is ring-spun shirt, so it will sit like this on your torso" or "these pleats will require you to iron them" etc

spaceman_2020•about 1 hour ago

A prompt went viral recently where people were sharing their pictures and asking chatgpt to visualise what their looksmatched partner would look like

The result was always someone extremely good looking

There’s going to be an entirely new class of mental disorders that will emerge from people being deluded by AI

qwertox•about 2 hours ago

> But these models will always make the clothes fit your body and show you in flattering light and so on

This is something that can be fixed over time. And if this forces clothing manufacturers to stick more to their advertised "specs" (width/length), then it's a win for us.

coldtea•about 1 hour ago

Nobody that's pushing it has any incentive for fixing it - and they have all the opposite incentives.

newswasboring•33 minutes ago

I've been struggling with this question myself. But isn't this a model training/use problem (a.k.a skill issue )? Isn't there a way to make these models be faithful to how people will actually look?

morningsam•about 4 hours ago

Maybe this will lead to more business for tailors doing alterations, assuming the clothes people end up buying are expensive enough to justify it.

jimnotgym•about 4 hours ago

I understand they are already doing decent business since the advent of the magic weight loss pen

TylerE•about 5 hours ago

To be fair in many cases the actual clothes aren't much better. I've had two pair of the same pants, same brand, same size fit noticeably differently.

epolanski•about 4 hours ago

I have a similar use case at work for previewing construction material and such in our catalogue applied to user uploaded images.

Results are mixed, expensive, but it really feels you're few months off the next improvement to really nail it. It's already good enough.

Wonder what Qwen image will provide over nano banana.

weird-eye-issue•about 6 hours ago

The meta keywords in the HTML is very interesting. 100+ references to NSFW topics such as hentai, nudes, etc.

postalcoder•about 5 hours ago

That's hilarious. These keywords are applied globally, even on pages like https://qwen.ai/usagepolicy, where they very kindly ask you not to use their products for sexual content.

Run this in console to see all the tags:

  document.querySelector('meta[name="keywords"]').content

khurs•about 5 hours ago

WTF lol

    who made qwen stefani's dress

    spiderman into the spider verse did qwen meet Peter

    qwen stacey porn

    do blake shelton and qwen stafani have children together

OkWing99•about 4 hours ago

Some of it is a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Woman_(Gwen_Stacy)

(i.e. the porn references)

drcongo•about 1 hour ago

    ben 10 four arms porn qwen

These keywords are kinda wild.

LoveMortuus•about 4 hours ago

Why would they added URLs for porn websites to their keywords? Like literally the names of websites with ".com" and such at the end.

user43928•about 4 hours ago

I assume they use a SEO tool that automatically adds these meta keywords to optimize for some search engines.

It apparently adds common search terms that contain words like "qwen". This evidently includes possibly mistyped searches for "gwen" or "ben" in a NSFW context.

Maybe someone knows more about how such SEO tools work, and where they pull the data from.

spiderfarmer•about 3 hours ago

Sounds like “keyword shitter” (genuine tool)

01284a7e•11 minutes ago

What value does the 'keywords' meta tag even have these days? 77+ KB of crap added to the page weight. Web development is full of idiots.

chmod775•about 6 hours ago

Bonus points for also covering misspellings like "pregbant".

QuantumNomad_•about 5 hours ago

how is prangent formed

Am i gregnant?

https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg

Geee•about 3 hours ago

how is babby formed? how girl get pragnent?

yewenjie•about 2 hours ago

how do i stop my son from looking at pikachu porn

Mtinie•about 3 hours ago

qregnant

timedude•about 2 hours ago

Stork bring baby

gchamonlive•about 4 hours ago

Can you even get pregnato

isoprophlex•about 5 hours ago

show bobs and vegana!

user_7832•about 2 hours ago

That's racist!

(See kids, it is possible to fight memes/racism with memes! And well... yeah, this really is racist.)

walrus01•about 5 hours ago

For those unfamiliar.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bobs-and-vegana

marginalia_nu•about 3 hours ago

This reddit slop is unbecoming of HN.

walrus01•about 6 hours ago

Wow you really weren't kidding. Fully automated AI slop tentacles for everyone!

https://pastes.io/uenL6X9K

It also seems to have an obsession with this celebrity, based on how many times ctrl-f for "stefani" turns up a result.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Stefani

goobatrooba•about 4 hours ago

Wow, crazy things - "shemale porn", "spider fucks venom", and various porn URLs like tushy.com. What the hell did they do to their AI? Is that the training corpus or intended use case?

walrus01•about 3 hours ago

> Is that the training corpus or intended use case?

[whynotboth.gif]

weird-eye-issue•about 6 hours ago

> spider qwen thicc, spider qwen tied up, spider qwen toddler costume, spider qwen trans, spider qwen wallpaper, spider qwen xxx hentai

walrus01•about 6 hours ago

spiderman pointing at spiderman meme trans wallpaper xxx thicc hentai

Mashimo•about 6 hours ago

> total drama qwen hentai

Do you want to know more?

[ ] Yes [x] no

jpfromlondon•about 5 hours ago

Qwentai

WithinReason•about 6 hours ago

probably due to misspellings as qwen stefani

pdpi•about 5 hours ago

Keyword typosquatting I guess?

alex_suzuki•about 5 hours ago

> ben 10 hentai game where qwen gets drunk

erm... what?

archon1410•about 5 hours ago

Surely it was meant to be "Gwen" (the protagonist's cousin and the other main character in the show). I guess it was somehow (incorrectly) assumed to be a misspelling of Qwen and included in the tags. Or perhaps many people were misspelling Gwen as "Qwen" and it was all hoovered up.

walrus01•about 5 hours ago

> qwen ten hentai, qwen ten xxx, qwen tennason footjob, qwen tennison hentai, qwen tennyson, qwen tennyson ass expansion, qwen tennyson giantess pussy, qwen tennyson hentai, qwen tennyson porn, qwen tft, qwen the milk maid, qwen the milkmaid, qwen the parts over, qwen the wolf witcher, qwen tire, qwen tneyson porn, qwen to go feelies youtube, qwen tokenizer java,

bbor•about 5 hours ago

Whelp today’s a unique day on hacker news, wow! Didn’t expect to read that at my desk lol

lukan•about 6 hours ago

That is hilarious as porn is illegal in China. But I guess pron SEO is allright, if it is against the west.

weird-eye-issue•about 6 hours ago

Western search engines simply ignore the meta keywords tag for over a decade now

lukan•about 5 hours ago

So what is the point then?

vitalyan8184•about 4 hours ago

uh, are you implying that porn is bad somehow? I can show you a hundred articles that say only nazi incel chuds believe so.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/07/us/hate-groups-porn-consp...

porn is as American as apple pie.

Lio•about 2 hours ago

> porn is as American as apple pie

So not at all then as Apple Pie is a traditional English desert. :P

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie

lukan•about 4 hours ago

Incels are probably the biggest porn consumers.

Apart from that, I made no judgement about porn in general, just about porn tags in Chinese backed AI websites.

WhereIsTheTruth•about 5 hours ago

Brainrot is the new opium war

cyanydeez•about 5 hours ago

how the turn tables

postalcoder•about 6 hours ago

They must have trained on GPT Image 1 outputs. The yellow tint is unmistakable.

https://qianwen-res.oss-accelerate.aliyuncs.com/Qwen-Image/i...

yorwba•about 5 hours ago

GPT Image 1 ended up with a yellow tint without training on another image-generation model's output. It's just that humans like pictures with a soft sunset glow, and this is a very easy global signal for a preference model to pick up on, and for a image-generation model to imitate. So optimizing for aesthetic appeal makes everything slightly tinted by default, unless you make sure to countersteer.

postalcoder•about 5 hours ago

Fair point!

Grimblewald•about 5 hours ago

Didnt the piss tint come after their big studio ghibli heist?

hugmynutus•about 1 hour ago

yellow/red tint is an extremely common problem not matter the photograph source you train on

source: work at a photograph start, even training on raw images things get tinted, it is an uphill battle

dannyw•about 4 hours ago

AI-generated images are part of the web now, if you're doing ordinary web scraping, you can't avoid training on generated images.

greyb•29 minutes ago

You clearly haven't met a Chinese RedNote user.

hessammehr•about 4 hours ago

Very cool but the Arabic text in the title image is obviously and hopelessly broken, which is oddly not the case when actually using the model. Could it be that the hero image was not generated by Qwen Image 3.0?

amrrs•about 4 hours ago

that's a very interesting point to test new models. I speak an Indian language called "Tamil" and have always tested new models with Tamil but also have tried little bit of Arabic (quranic verses) with previous GPT image 2 and Nanobanana pro and they have nailed it. Don't know if it was because of extensive training data.

zzleeper•18 minutes ago

Random question, but has there been any improvement in OCR/document understanding in these newer models? Last time I checked (1mo ago) SOTA was still sadly Gemini, unless you wanted to pay $$$ for e.g. Sol

jcattle•38 minutes ago

What I can not wrap my head around: How are these models trained?

What training mechanism or model architecture provides the glue to go from human text to images?

Don't you need to have millions of really descriptively labelled images?

nucleative•32 minutes ago

That's exactly how they do it.

There are ML models that do the reverse and output image to text, which assist quite a lot.

The better the text represents the unique thing in the photo, the better the model understands what that text means.

vonneumannstan•15 minutes ago

Short answer yes.

Slightly longer answer for older text to image models you teach them how to encode images and text into the same latent space. Then you simply do a conversion, take a text input, put it into latent space and then extract the image that latent space represents.

mistercheph•36 minutes ago

I found this 3b1b guest video on diffusion helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv-5mZ_9CPY

topheroo•29 minutes ago

I’d argue that talking about “authentic” AI-generated images is oxymoronic.

simonw•about 3 hours ago

> to precisely describe the full 3×3 grid takes a full 3.7k tokens

It's a shame they didn't share that prompt - it would make that demo more convincing.

tarcon•about 3 hours ago

I am surprised by the rather bad output. It doesn't achieve qwen image 1 quality in composition or anatomical correctness. Tested on chat.qwen.ai

I am seeing third legs and glowing eyes. It's a Microsoft Lens level of quality and that one was pulled.

embedding-shape•about 6 hours ago

Not a single word about when/if they'll actually release the weights for this, or am I missing it somewhere?

user43928•about 6 hours ago

Considering Qwen-Image-2.0 weights have not been released either, it unfortunately looks unlikely.

vachina•about 4 hours ago

Why release it just so Cursor/Azure/Amazon can profit off of it? Unless OpenAI actually opens it up fat chance.

sajithdilshan•about 3 hours ago

I truly wish these models were available when I was in University. As a visual learner it would have been much easier for me to understand certain topics with illustrative diagrams rather than reading a wall of text.

DaiPlusPlus•about 3 hours ago

…but the illustrative diagrams are a simulacrum; if you ask Qwen, or any image-generator, for an “accurate” poster-design featuring a representation of a model of an atom and explaining its constituent parts I expect you’ll get an imitation-airbrush rendering of red, blue, and grey table-tennis balls orbiting in perfect circles; you might get an electron-shell diagram if you’re lucky. What you won’t get is anything remotely related to probability-clouds.

Edit: just to test myself I asked Nano Banana 2 to generate “an undergraduate infographic poster about how atoms work” - and the result was something right out of a middle-school science textbook and very Bohr…

sajithdilshan•about 2 hours ago

This is the image I got for the same prompt: https://jumpshare.com/s/mqqBdl7U59FWPiEXjwoM. It's more like high-school level, but not bad. I can imagine a collage professor can improve the prompt the create a more accurate and detailed diagram

zarzavat•about 2 hours ago

This seems like something that could be solved by asking an LLM to write the prompt for the image model. You can also feed in the output of an image model into an LLM and ask it to check it/make improvements.

wincy•38 minutes ago

My wife has taken all her recipes and fed them through ChatGPT image gen to make zine pages and they’re really cool! She’s building a recipe book for the kids so they’ll know all the recipes from their childhood.

feverzsj•about 4 hours ago

The "piss filter" is still everywhere.

gchokov•about 5 hours ago

It failed to create a simple overlay on a map - something ChatGPT had no issues with.

Mashimo•about 6 hours ago

> Supports up to 4.5k token input, effortlessly generating complex layouts such as newspapers, storyboards, and exam papers.

Impressive.

Btw, what is currently the best model to run locally on a 16GB Vram? Is it Z-Image Turbo?

woadwarrior01•about 6 hours ago

Krea-2-Turbo. I've even got it working locally on my M5 iPad Pro.

Izmaki•about 4 hours ago

> We implemented safety measures across the full model development lifecycle.

Any suggestions for the best open, non-opinionated model?

woadwarrior01•about 2 hours ago

It is a reasonably non-opinionated model. My usual test is to ask these models to generate comic book and cartoon characters that hosted image generation models refuse to generate. I think that text is just CYA legalese.

bitexploder•about 2 hours ago

You can also ablate it.

Mashimo•about 6 hours ago

thanks mate. Sadly not supported yet by Invoke, but I will take a look.

ninjagoo•about 4 hours ago

The examples posted on their launch blog page are quite impressive, especially for fine details, multi-panel/multi-page and text rendering.

But: not open-source/open-weights, and no indication that weights/source will be released either.

timedude•about 2 hours ago

Zooming in on mobile on that website causes a large white area to obstruct the page. Might wanna look into that.

As for the image model, wow...

pal9000i•about 5 hours ago

How long until we get rid of the AI "plasticness" in portrait kind of generated images?

jrs100000•about 5 hours ago

The right models and LORAs can get rid of it right now. People apparently really like everyone to look like over exposed over filtered mannequins, so the big companies target that look.

aitchnyu•about 5 hours ago

There is an IRL phenomena, glass skin skincare and makeup, where the person's skin is evenly flat and toned and glossy. Did you think they are more plasticky than IRL models?

numpad0•about 4 hours ago

That's supposed to make skin appear lively. Human skins in AI images tend to look clouded, opaque, and overall un-alive, so to speak.

dsrtslnd23•about 5 hours ago

Seems that this will not be open weights?

Oarch•about 5 hours ago

I assume Van Gogh didn't paint enough hands to train from!

lifthrasiir•about 3 hours ago

> In the three examples below, the model accurately renders Japanese, Korean, and Spanish respectively.

And yet the Korean text is not accurate... [1]

[1] E.g. "드레스 컬렉션 dress collection" has vowels ㅔ mixed with ㅐ, "초웜한" should be "초월한 exceeding", "신키한" should be "실키한 silky", "디자언되다" should be "디자인되다 have been designed", "로얼" should be "로열 royal", and so on.

luciana1u•about 2 hours ago

the natural endpoint of this technology is product photos that look better than the actual product, which is going to make unboxing videos the last remaining source of truth on the internet

bejd•about 4 hours ago

I wonder if they got permission to generate that (admittedly impressive) Berserk image.

ndom91•about 3 hours ago

Again not released on huggingface immediately?

maxloh•about 5 hours ago

I am curious whether the model requires a font to be installed. Does it also generate the glyphs for the text?

simonw•about 4 hours ago

Yes, it generates the text without using a font. Same is true of other image models like ChatGPT Images and Gemini Nano Banana and Midjourney.

dhbradshaw•about 4 hours ago

The generated latex pdf!

spwa4•about 6 hours ago

Appears to be closed-weights entirely. No word at all on any weights release.

saltysalt•about 5 hours ago

It will be interesting to compare this to Flux 2.

treetalker•about 6 hours ago

The red-dress woman's vestigial pinkie toes …

xiaoyu2006•about 6 hours ago

The blog write-up style is so casual haha.

jdw64•about 5 hours ago

Wow, it displays Korean properly without breaking. But there are still a lot of typos. Haha, it's good that Korean displays properly, but there are a lot of incorrect sentences

sheept•about 5 hours ago

I find it mildly interesting how your comment repeats itself but with different phrasing

jdw64•about 5 hours ago

It's because of the structure of Korean. I think in Korean first, so I end up translating it directly.

When I want to emphasize something, I tend to repeat it

rvz•about 6 hours ago

Midjourney already knew that image generation was going to zero. Again yet another reason why the model was never a moat in the first place.

mahimai•about 5 hours ago

interesting

viridir•about 5 hours ago

This looks impressive！

arslan9063•about 4 hours ago

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR

gpjanik•about 5 hours ago

The real performance is nowhere close to what is presented in the marketing materials, which is pretty annoying. Especially text rendering and accuracy.

Try asking it for a plot of Polish GDP growth over the past 20 years. It's slop.

viraptor•about 4 hours ago

This model isn't supposed to contain all the numerical data. It will give you a (usually) matching graph transformed from one you provide or from a table of information you provide. Or you can pipeline from an LLM doing research on that data first. But expecting an image gen model to get you GDP info has got to be one of the worst possible approaches.

> Especially text rendering

That's true though. I still got some completely fried letters in headings.

gpjanik•about 1 hour ago

I am not expecting it, it's the Qwen team is claimingthey can do much harder tasks than this, like rendering a consistent page of a maths paper, or creating true to fact explainers.

They can't.

yorwba•about 4 hours ago

Giving it numerical data in an LLM-generated prompt doesn't seem to help much: https://imgur.com/a/KFhczOd

It included the table verbatim and even managed to hallucinate a reasonable heading for it, but then the graph doesn't even manage to align the data points with the time axis, leading to an unfortunate collision in the middle.

I guess you should use a traditional graphing library for your presentation slides for now.

spwa4•about 3 hours ago

... but if you want an accurate graph, why not ask the LLM model to put the data points into a graphing library?

Smaily•about 2 hours ago

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