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instagibabout 2 hours ago
>>On Monday, however, the FDA said that the "false-positive lab sample DOES NOT change the basis for [the] FDA's ongoing outbreak investigation or the overwhelming epidemiological data supporting the current voluntary recall by Taylor Farms." The agency added that its "traceback investigation and outbreak data continue to converge on shredded iceberg lettuce from Taylor Farms locations in central Mexico."

The false positive "doesn't call into question the conclusion of the outbreak investigation," McEntire said. Had the positive test been confirmed, "it could've resulted in a substantially expanded recall." <<

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taylor-farms-cyclospora-outbrea...

I like the part where they say “No Taylor Farms branded products are involved in this recall.” As in there are other brands they do not mention which were but do not list them which they could own and distribute under.

https://www.taylorfarms.com/newsroom/taylor-fresh-foods-stat...

ashleynabout 2 hours ago
Only slightly unrelated, but I've been thinking a lot lately about prion disease and whether or not you can still trust the meat you eat. Easily a food safety concern that is ten times worse than getting a little diarrhea from your salad, and the same institutional rot can contribute to it. And it would take 5-10 years to really see the damage done from it.
jm4about 2 hours ago
A guy gets a worm in his brain, somehow becomes secretary of health, loosens all the rules so the rest of us have a higher chance of getting a brain worm. This is comic book villain kind of stuff. Can we start a serious discussion about whether we might be living in a simulation with a troll teenager at the controls?
Dr_Incelheimer23 minutes ago
Read https://www.docdroid.net/MfW3sAr/parasite-pill-version-20-pd... and be enlightened. I believe it was originally made by a 4chan user so obviously there are a lot of insane ramblings there but if the theory is true, the implications would be hilarious
CalRobertabout 1 hour ago
Reminiscent of the toxoplasmosis life cycle.
Arodexabout 2 hours ago
Can we start a serious discussion about whether you might start taking responsibility of who you elect instead of wasting your time fantasizing?

I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time?

epistasisabout 2 hours ago
I've been a long time foe of RFK Jr., spend way too much time here, and have never been under the impression that RFK Jr. was a darling here at all.
Waterluvianabout 1 hour ago
The Americans have what’s basically a cultural trait at this point of deflecting ownership of their government’s actions with “not my president so not my failure” abdication of responsibility.

I wish we could open trade talks with these people instead. But, alas, that’s not how it works.

monkpitabout 2 hours ago
Yes because everyone else on HN is one hivemind, other than you of course.
rozapabout 2 hours ago
Goomba fallacy
SpicyLemonZestabout 2 hours ago
You might benefit from looking up the Goomba Fallacy. As a former anti-anti-RFK guy, I absolutely have to take responsibility, I severely misunderstood the wellness movement and didn't realize that inflicting disease on people was their goal. But I don't know why you think the person you're responding to supported RFK.
lovichabout 1 hour ago
>I mean, it is not as if RFK was the darling candidate of HN at one time?

Wasn't my darling candidate. Mostly because I can read research papers and understand that drinking raw milk and avoiding vaccines doesn't make me healthier.

voidfuncabout 2 hours ago
If were living in a simulation then all of this is meaningless :)
apsurdabout 2 hours ago
as opposed to the meaning of absolute reality? oh boy you’ve got so much reading and movie watching ahead that you’ll enjoy very much.
kevinlouabout 1 hour ago
There's really nothing we can do about prion diseases, can we? What does the FDA (or any other regulatory or research institution) even have in the way of prion detection?
SapporoChrisabout 1 hour ago
Just because something can't be easily detected in a timely manner doesn't mean there's nothing to be done.

Banning offal consumption. Banning blood donations from people who could have been exposed. Detecting the disease in postmortem examinations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_BSE_outbreak

devinabout 2 hours ago
Of course they did. Look at the disaster around the messaging.
monkpitabout 2 hours ago
You don’t think the two are related in the least bit?
pm90about 2 hours ago
The US Federal Government has been meaningfully degraded by the brazen corruption of the people in power. Already there was a crisis of faith in authority; this is just going to make it much much worse.

I wonder if its time to rethink some of these institutions. It seems like Food Safety is especially important to the welp being of society; it might make sense to have food testing labs in every major population center/distribution hub. Funded by a tax on the food companies or perhaps even locally. Its just unbelievable that the entire US population is so vulnerable… what if a bad actor did something nasty deliberately?

jiqirenabout 2 hours ago
Seems because of Supreme Court ruling practically every federal agency likely needs to be re-chartered to have the same structure as the Federal Reserve.
senderista18 minutes ago
They need to be restructured such that their success or failure has a direct impact on the justices' retirement accounts.
lokarabout 1 hour ago
There is no real distinction between the Fed and the FTC. The different outcomes were the reason for the decision.
mindslightabout 2 hours ago
Depending how far the Supreme Council takes the unitary executive theory, we might need a straight up Constitutional amendment. And while we're at it, those department heads should be directly elected by the People - imagine being able to split your choices for which parties control the FCC vs the ATF.

(Ideally we'd move towards Ranked Pairs voting too, diminishing the two-party stranglehold as well)

senderista16 minutes ago
Technocrats shouldn't be popularly elected. Someone like RFK Jr. would be more likely to end up in a top position under popular election, not less likely. The American public does not generally respect expertise, but politicians mostly did until quite recently (with a few exceptions like climate change).
projectileboyabout 2 hours ago
Well… the system mostly worked for a pretty long time. As I used to tell my kids, if you try hard enough to break something, you’ll probably succeed.
davidwabout 2 hours ago
Breaking things is also a lot easier than building complex things.
monkpitabout 2 hours ago
Which, funnily enough, is _also_ something you can teach your children.
solfoxabout 2 hours ago
Generally the industry DOES lobby for regulation. In a deregulated industry, there's a rush towards the bottom - which means trust in the industry implodes. They don't want that. I don't believe the current administration is actually in line with the industry as a whole.
bagelsabout 2 hours ago
How can anyone trust them to provide food safely if they can give Trump money and suddenly the recall disappears?
beloch40 minutes ago
The next time you hear people claiming that Canada's dairy tariff's are unjust, unfair, etc.* ... Bear in mind that they only kick in after a quota that's never been reached because Canadians generally perceive U.S. dairy as being of lower quality. This sort of thing probably won't change that.

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* Trump does this regularly when justifying his latest tariffs.

davidwabout 2 hours ago
"No shit?" jokes aside, it seems like a bad corporate strategy. Rather than owning up and doing what they can to protect their customers, they kept trying to hide, and now Taylor Farms is going to forever be associated in customers minds with explosive diarrhea.
monkpitabout 2 hours ago
I’m sure they’ll just come up with some other branding, they’ll “go bankrupt” and reorganize, and call it good in the public eye, and everyone will have forgotten about it in a year or two.
ornornorabout 1 hour ago
From a purely greedy/capitalistic standpoint, this strategy made sense.

If Presdient Camacho can call a sport’s federation and have a penalty canceled and the administration is as rotten and corrupt as its demonstrated every day, it’s worth a shot for that company to try and avoid a recall.

A recall costs money, people they don’t know getting sick costs them nothing.

SpicyLemonZestabout 2 hours ago
They tried to hide it before the news got out in the first place; the reason executives in general are so excited about Trump is that they think he's going to let them bribe their way out of anything. I'm a bit surprised to hear no bribe was accepted here, although I suppose an uncontrolled explosive diarrhea outbreak would be hard for regime officials to keep a lid on.
lettergramabout 3 hours ago
It was a false positive for what it was worth - https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-says-taylor-f...
mlyleabout 2 hours ago
It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive.

You don't always get a positive test, but this doesn't necessarily prevent you from concluding the cause of food contamination.

pudgywalshabout 2 hours ago
> but the only positive test may have been a false positive

Software getting flagged by anti-malware as a false positive is a great way to get an evil corpo tale of woe to the top of HN with 800 points.

stogotabout 2 hours ago
> It's my understanding that it was traced definitively to Taylor Farms, but the only positive test may have been a false positive.

So it’s a false positive?

Terr_about 2 hours ago
> So it’s a false positive?

They already told you clearly, so it sounds like you're trying to browbeat them with a fallacy of equivocation over the scope of "it".

These things are not equivalent:

1. A biological test for a parasite in a sample of equipment/material from the factory. (Claimed as false-positive.)

2. The analysis of the supply-chain for the food that sickened people which led to that facility as a common factor. (Presumably still accurate.)

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To use a criminal-investigation metaphor: Suppose a dead woman is found covered in knife wounds, and the circumstantial evidence leads to one Knifey McStabberson, since he (A) previously dated the woman and (B) sent a death-threat once via text-message, and (C) has a collection of hundreds of suitably-sized knives. Investigators notice one that looks bloody, and test it... It's her blood! Wait, oops, no, false-positive, it was something else.

What is your takeaway from the story so far? Is it that Knifey McStabberson himself is "a false-positive" and obviously totally innocent... or is it that it would be a good idea to check more of the knives scattered around his house and in his car?

conceptionabout 2 hours ago
Taylor Farms also gave Maga Inc a million dollars six days after the FDA pushed a food safety rule back.
pacomerhabout 2 hours ago
How can you believe this?, look at the signs. Its too obvious someone got paid to say that.
Tostinoabout 2 hours ago
At this point, why would I trust what they say?
3eb7988a1663about 2 hours ago
This is the most upsetting thing about everything that is happening. Like, sure I have plenty of criticisms about the FDA, but by and large, I thought the body was slowly working in the direction of the public good.

Once you destroy that trust, every single announcement becomes suspect. You no longer have anything you can believe.

lovichabout 1 hour ago
> FDA says...

This admin has lied repeatedly. Why would any of us believe a statement solely because the admin said it? Do we need to give them the benefit of the doubt despite how many times they lie?

vkou5 minutes ago
The press seems to think that someone who lies whenever their lips are moving deserves an elevated platform.