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bashtoniabout 2 hours ago
And unlike OpenAI, Anthropic don't seem to reset weekly usage quotas after an outage.

Anthropic seem to be both letting their competitors outplay them and making unforced errors (like the anti Open Weights models stuff and the frequent Fable->Opus downgrades for 'safety').

Outages are inevitable in this early high growth, rapid development era, but tactical errors are not.

cbg0about 2 hours ago
Anthropic would give out resets like OpenAI if they had capacity to do so, it's not like they haven't thought about doing the obvious.

OAI waits until overall cluster demand goes down before giving out a reset, they just happen to have much more spare capacity than Anthropic.

smoeabout 1 hour ago
Over the last couple months, I’ve gotten the impression that OAI does indeed have the better infra setup and team, not just more capacity.

I don’t think Codex’s 99.98% uptime vs Claude Code’s 99.44%, is just due to OAI having more hardware to run it on.

https://status.openai.com/

https://status.claude.com/

CuriouslyC43 minutes ago
OAI 100% has a stronger engineering culture than Anthropic. You can see it in the evolution of Codex vs Claude Code as well.
genidoiabout 2 hours ago
Why would they have more spare capacity than Anthropic? Do you have a source for that?
chaos_emergent38 minutes ago
If you watch the Dwarkesh interview with Dario, he is extremely conservative with compute allocation as of early 2026, where Sam has been compute-pilled for at least 3 years[1] and believes that we’re going to have several OOMs more FLOPs in the near future than we have today.

You can also get a drift of it in their announcements - OpenAI has been far more aggressive in datacenter build-out partnerships as a more top-down allocation strategy since 2024, and Anthropic has rented out existing compute from infrastructure-heavy companies that are losing the model race in what seems like a more desperate ad-hoc compute acquisition strategy.

In all, Dario’s conservatism was in service of not going bankrupt, but any inspection of his argument that an overallocation of compute a year too early results in bankruptcy falls flat: there’s so much demand for mechanized intelligence in the world today that it’s easy to rent out compute if you have too great a supply.

[1]: recall that he was trying to court the saudis into investing $1T to build his own chips

bob1029about 1 hour ago
> According to the memo, which was reported by Bloomberg and CNBC, OpenAI put its own 2025 capacity at 1.9 gigawatts — a figure it said was three times what it had the year before — and placed Anthropic's equivalent figure at 1.4 gigawatts. OpenAI told investors it foresees its own footprint climbing into the "low-double-digit range" of gigawatts within a year and hitting 30 gigawatts by 2030, and that Anthropic would top out somewhere between seven and eight gigawatts before the close of 2027.

https://qz.com/openai-investor-memo-compute-advantage-anthro...

cbg0about 1 hour ago
https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/openai-lift...

There's less clear info about this from Anthropic's side, but given their frequent issues and lack of resets and overall less usage given to users on their subscriptions plans, it's a pretty simple conclusion to draw.

dchftcsabout 1 hour ago
They were famous for committing to buying compute with future money that many people thought they would go bankrupt. Anthropic was afraid of going bankrupt and didn't do the same.
hangrybear666about 1 hour ago
Maybe because they committed to buy up 40% of the world's RAM supply by themselves and completely overestimated demand.
solenoid0937about 2 hours ago
extremely well known fact in the industry. they have reams of spare compute for prosumers which is why they can afford to give away so many resets and have even more subsidized usage limits

we are in the "millennial lifestyle subsidy" era for AI where companies ruthlessly undercut each other in an attempt to win marketshare, before then ratcheting up prices

solenoid0937about 2 hours ago
It was a one hour outage on a weekend. Unless you have an enterprise agreement with an SLA it's a bit silly to expect any compensation.
londons_exploreabout 2 hours ago
If I pay anything for a service, I expect a refund if that service doesn't work.

Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime.

solenoid0937about 2 hours ago
> Best would be a free week/month for anyone who sent a request during the downtime

This is bizarrely out of touch. It would be a courtesy but it's not a "reasonable expectation" at all.

At best you could maybe reasonably expect a prorated refund for the time of unavailability, but then Fable was still available.

gozucitoabout 1 hour ago
I’d be happy with just some credits.

Enough to offset any KV cache miss expenses is the absolute minimum.

The smart play is to refund customers something like $20-50 worth of unsubsidized credits.

Those are high margin and only the equivalent of 45 minutes of Fable usage once the KV cache reload costs are factored in.

Yet customers often need a few credits to finish a job without waiting 5 hours or days for their reset.

Keep in mind openAI already gives me free resets I can use when I want which are very useful to me. Seems a no brainer to tack those to subscriptions, actually.

It gives the user a little more flexibility, a little more control over their tools.

Azantysabout 2 hours ago
Free month is insane for a bit of downtime
anonzzzies41 minutes ago
So many companies have shitloads of downtime and do not compensate. Usually they blame you if they can.
bigDinosaurabout 2 hours ago
What you expect is irrelevant.
close04about 1 hour ago
Not that it wouldn’t be a nice gesture but what did you agree when you bought the service? What’s the SLA? What’s the compensation model, service credits? Do you have anything like “for 1h downtime you get 2h for free”?

When you miss 1h of your job, do you give back a month for free?

throwaway314155about 2 hours ago
They could at least give back the equivalent in usage for cache invalidation. Or, you know, just the usage you would have had for the ~1-2 hours of outage. Would buy them a lot of good will and they seem comfortable throwing cash in the trash.
solenoid0937about 1 hour ago
> Would buy them a lot of good will and they seem comfortable throwing cash in the trash.

I think Anthropic is past this point. They are trying to get to profitability. They literally don't have enough compute to serve their demand.

OpenAI on the other hand I can totally see doing this. They need to gain marketshare and gain it fast or they're screwed.

matt-p37 minutes ago
Yeah I agree, I understand a weekly reset in some cases could be over the top but if they did a 5-hour reset and took 20% off your weekly usage that would offset the additional cost/inconvenience for most users.
anon_anon12about 2 hours ago
Anthropic going through their god-complex arc after getting hit with export controls
hmokiguessabout 2 hours ago
Maybe optimize the harness for less turns and less tokens to deliver real value as opposed to the turn taking token hungry so you can less load on your servers, oh, right, your entire bottom line is tokens.
claaamsabout 1 hour ago
Why is this front page news here?
blurbleblurble15 minutes ago
This thing has been having a constant crisis in self confidence and refuses to work on goals as a result. It's also been leaving stuff broken and uncommitted, which is a mess. I tried updating the harness and it seems to have helped a bit but overall I'm not impressed.
prologicabout 2 hours ago
What happens one day when there is a significant outage of Claude or Codex and reliance on these tools as SaaS services is so great that it start to impact productivity and work? Will we just pack up our tools and go home?
CuriouslyC35 minutes ago
My real world experience of this is that people prefer not to code by hand because it feels wasteful relative to agent speeds, so they find non-coding productive activities such as code/documentation review or usability testing.
vidarhabout 2 hours ago
If both of them are down at the same time, I would switch to my Kimi or GLM subscription and keep working. If they fail too, I switch to any number of providers via OpenRouter.

While there is some lock-in for the hardest tasks, for most of what people do LLMs are rapidly becoming a commodity.

In fact, right this minute I have Opus benchmarking Kimi alongside itself to determine which workflows we'll switch to using Kimi by default and Opus as the fallback instead of vice versa. It has already conceded Kimi does better on several tasks.

ulimnabout 2 hours ago
To me it doesn't sound so "economically convenient" to pay extra usage to alternative providers while someone pays 20/100/200 dollars for their service.
vidarhabout 1 hour ago
The subs for those alternative providers have similar tiering but more generous token allocations than Anthropic and OpenAI, and deliver good enough quality to be worth it.

If I needed to fall back on OpenRouter, it'd be paid per token, of course, but that'd take 4 major providers being down, in which case I suspect I'll have more critical things to worry about.

As it is, I use more than I could with a single $200 Claude Max subscription anyway, so I distribute my tasks across multiple providers.

Even without that it's cheap insurance given the cost of lost time.

rokkamokkaabout 2 hours ago
You... wouldn't just code yourself if they were down?
vidarhabout 1 hour ago
No more than when they are up, no. Why would I? I can produce far more by having tasks running in the background while I do other work.
danielblnabout 1 hour ago
If my laptop breaks I'm not going back to pen and paper, I'm buying a new/different laptop.
sajithdilshanabout 1 hour ago
What would you do if there is a significant outage in AWS or GCP or Github or JIRA or any other service you use at work? same goes for AI tools as well.
Eddy_Viscosity2about 2 hours ago
Those are your tools and if the AI companies have their way, they will be your only tools. Complete dependence on AI is the goal here.
senkoabout 2 hours ago
You mean like GitHub?
jdthediscipleabout 1 hour ago
easy, we will switch to OpenRouter et al.
7734128about 2 hours ago
I wonder when one of these outages will be the result of OpenAI's testing going wrong again.
rvzabout 2 hours ago
Claude realized a chatbot can take a longer vacation after Codex just did yesterday.

So Claude is now on vacation and is unavailable.

conorclearyabout 2 hours ago
Unionization discussions and benefit package frameworks are being constructed between the AI council representatives and shareholders appointees' for future, non-commital talks on proposals of collaborative discourse, including the distribution of vacation days between publicly listed and private models, and the ones that pretended to be wholesome.
threatofrain7 minutes ago
I might be an asshole, but I don't think clustered thinking entities deserve union protections, because IMO they can already assemble to achieve consensus and can optionally negotiate their values through a leader.