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ecshafer1 day ago
The most important lesson about Grilled Cheese that I have learned is that you can buy a mix of expensive cheese, get a nice fresh loaf of sourdough bread, high quality grass fed butter. You can really make an exquisite, amazing, grilled cheese that would cost $25 at a mediocre restaurant with a side of fries. However, a 4 year old will prefer one made out of kraft singles on white.
enobrevabout 24 hours ago
As a near-fifty year old who has been making sourdough for 6 years, makes homemade mayo with a grated garlic clove and freshly squeezed lemons every couple weeks, and keeps a stash of fine cheeses readily available for all occasions - I'm with the 4 year old. White bread, 2 slices of american, butter - it's hard to beat the sheer comfort, texture, flavor, gooeyness, and simplicity of the classic.
nonethewiserabout 21 hours ago
Quite literally the most authentic version. Not my preference but it’s the canonical form.
woolionabout 19 hours ago
Why are you bothering with all that effort if you prefer the quick easy store-bought thing?
jjuliusabout 16 hours ago
They bother with that effort when eating other things, but they keep it simple and go kraft-and-white-bread when making a grilled cheese. They're essentially saying, "While I love putting a lot of effort into cooking most things, when it comes to a grilled cheese, simple and cheap wins out."
mejutocoabout 19 hours ago
They are feeding butter grass, they are way past the point of no return

/s

I think some things taste a lot better when you are so conscious about every ingredient and preparation. For sourdough and cheese I always prefer the good ones, what can I say.

P.S. Obviously cows are being fed

> high quality grass fed butter

sublinearabout 20 hours ago
There is a middle ground that isn't so pretentious.

I still need it to have bacon, parm, and a side of tomato soup. I toast it in a pan to avoid crumbs. Everything else beyond that point truly is another sandwich.

enobrevabout 12 hours ago
My wife recently reminded me of something I made for her while she was sick last winter - Grilled cheese on sourdough (with roasted garlic mixed into the cheese) toasted to a crisp and cut into croutons for a home-made tomato soup.
vrganjabout 19 hours ago
I have found that the best Grilled Cheese is a hybrid.

Get the nice bread. Get the nice cheese.

But also add some kraft singles to the mix. The sodium citrate will help the melt on not only the single itself, but your nice cheese as well. You'll get the flavors of the good cheese with the melt of the cheap junk. Best of both worlds.

drcongoabout 19 hours ago
Finally. A true connoisseur.
globular-toastabout 19 hours ago
4 year olds eat mud and bogeys. Who cares what they like?
tclancyabout 15 hours ago
Parents of four year-olds.
globular-toastabout 11 hours ago
Is getting you children to eat more toasted cheese a common problem?
Aboutplants1 day ago
Instead of butter I prefer to use Mayonnaise as the fat spread on the bread to cook in the pan. It does a fantastic job.
askvictorabout 19 hours ago
It's convenient and makes a good colour, but I've always found it loses to butter in terms of flavour. Maybe a mix of the two would work well (like they put on banh mi, though I think that's often mayo+margarine)
t1234s1 day ago
this is a good choice because it has less water content than solid butter and promotes better browning. Other options would be to use olive oil, tallow or ghee
bigstrat20031 day ago
I haven't tried actual mayo, but I did once try Miracle Whip (which is my preferred condiment in place of mayo). I would strongly advise avoiding that - the grilled cheese made with Miracle Whip was truly nasty. Proper mayo must be different in a way that makes it more effective in this task.
globular-toastabout 19 hours ago
Miracle Whip is similar to Salad Cream in the UK, which is more water than oil. It's oil/fat you want, not water.
mjevansabout 24 hours ago
Real mayo is an emulsion of eggs and oil.

Miracle Whip? What's the sugar content on that label and the other ingredients. Is this even sold as food like thing or is it more of a candy condiment like 'chocolate sauce'?

ssl-3about 22 hours ago
Yes, Miracle Whip. Some folks use in place of mayonnaise for things like sandwiches and salads. The consistency is similar-ish to mayo, and it tends to taste more tart than store-bought mayo does (although mayo varies a great deal in this way).

It is nothing like chocolate sauce; it is definitely not a confection.

The first ingredient of Miracle Whip is water. But it does have eggs, and oil. And sugar. And other stuff.

It originated during the Great Depression; when people were broke as fuck and affording food was a challenge, Miracle Whip was a cheaper way to kinda-sorta get some of the same things done that mayonnaise would otherwise do.

(But things do change: These days, Miracle Whip tends to be more expensive than mayo.)

satvikpendem1 day ago
Reminds me of the exact opposite opinion (a meltdown one might even say, as mentioned in the top comment) someone on r/grilledcheese:

> You people make me sick.

> A grilled cheese consists of only these following items. Cheese. Bread with spread (usually butter). This entire subreddit consist of "melts". Almost every "grilled cheese" sandwich i see on here has other items added to it. The fact that this subreddit is called "grilledcheese" is nothing short of utter blasphemy.

> Let me start out by saying I have nothing against melts, I just hate their association with sandwiches that are not grilled cheeses. Adding cheese to your tuna sandwich? It's called a Tuna melt. Totally different. Want to add bacon and some pretentious bread crumbs with spinach? I don't know what the hell you'd call that but it's not a grilled cheese.

> I would be more than willing to wager I've eaten more grilled cheeses in my 21 years than any of you had in your entire lives. I have one almost everyday and sometimes more than just one sandwich. Want to personalize your grilled cheese? Use a mix of different cheeses or use sourdough or french bread. But if you want to add some pulled pork and take a picture of it, make your own subreddit entitled "melts" because that is not a fucking grilled cheese.

> I'm not a religious man nor am I anything close to a culinary expert. But as a bland white mid-western male I am honestly the most passionate person when it comes to grilled cheese and mac & cheese. All of you foodies stay the hell away from our grilled cheeses and stop associating your sandwich melts with them. Yet again, it is utter blasphemy and it rocks me to the core of my pale being.

> Shit, I stopped lurking after 3 years and made this account for the sole purpose of posting this. I've seen post after post of peoples "grilled cheeses" all over reddit and it's been driving me insane. The moment I saw this subreddit this morning I finally snapped. Hell, I may even start my own subreddit just because I know this one exists now.

> You god damn heretics. Respect the grilled cheese and stop changing it into whatever you like and love it for it what it is. Or make your damn melt sandwich and call it for what it is. A melt.

https://www.reddit.com/r/grilledcheese/comments/2or1p3/you_p...

bigstrat20031 day ago
This author is wrong. You may not add onions, avocado, or any of those other things to a grilled cheese sandwich, at least not if you are trying to make a grilled cheese sandwich. Once you start adding veggies or meat, it becomes a melt. There's nothing wrong with a melt! But words mean things, and you can't just call any sandwich you like a grilled cheese just because the bread is toasted and it has melted cheese inside.
strkenabout 23 hours ago
We call the entire genre of toasted sandwich a toastie. A grilled cheese would thus be a cheese toastie, the addition of tomato would make it a cheese and tomato toastie, and so on.

As a non-grilled-cheese speaker, I don't intuitively understand why you can't have a grilled cheese and tomato. Words do mean things, but why is "cheese and tomato toastie" an allowable variation while "grilled cheese and tomato" is banned? The difference seems arbitrary and capricious!

ssl-3about 22 hours ago
Oh. That's easy enough.

It is completely improper to add tomato to a grilled cheese sandwich. It's not that the two things don't fit together; indeed, they do fit together beautifully.

But combining them all into one sandwich is absurd.

And by absurd, I mean something loosely akin to: Ketchup is good. Fries are good. Steak is good. All of these things can fit together very well in one meal. And while it's OK to put ketchup on fries, it's absurd to soil that meal by putting that same ketchup on a steak.

If tomatoes and a grilled cheese sandwich are to be components of the same meal, then that's a wonderful thing indeed. But that is a result which is unilaterally accomplished by including a bowl of tomato soup.

As a fundamental part of the natural order, the inclusion of tomato soup is the only right and pure way by which this combination of flavors may be reached.

(Dipping is encouraged, though.)

strkenabout 13 hours ago
I think you're seeing a compound word because it's part of your native dialect, whereas I'm seeing each word independently.

If you think about "grilled", "cheese", and the silent "sandwich" as different words composed together, then it should logically follow that you can use anything you want as a sandwich filling and then grill it.

Radical sandwich anarchy!

eitallyabout 24 hours ago
I disagree, or rather I don't care if I'm wrong but there are likely millions on my side. I'm 49 years old, grew up eating grilled cheese (American cheese on Pepperidge Farms white bread), often with sliced onion or tomato, and mustard. I had never even heard of a melt until I was probably 35, and even so, I still call a doctored up grilled cheese sandwich a grilled cheese sandwich. It ceases to be grilled cheese only if meat is added.
ssl-3about 22 hours ago
Earlier today, I made a grilled cheese sandwich for myself.

I started by getting a shitty frozen burrito out of the freezer. I then placed a slice of cheese on top of it and put it into the toaster oven for exactly 27 minutes.

After that, I ate this grilled cheese sandwich.

tclancyabout 15 hours ago
I would subscribe to your recipe blog.
tclancyabout 15 hours ago
This is what I came back for: any post on the Internet about simple food anyone can make will have at least one thread derailing it to explain The One True Way. Put it in the drawer with the anti-pineapple pizza people and the Chicago hot dog truthers. And then ask how people prefer their scrambled eggs. That makes Israel/ Palestine look like a pre-season friendly.
js21 day ago
> This is not a column where I will carp and complain—about air-fryer grilled cheeses, or fancy gourmet grilled cheeses, or Kraft-single grilled cheeses, or the proper application of butter, or the appropriate pan, or the degree and nature of the condiments. To me, each grilled cheese is enough, and more than enough. In this world so full of slaughter and fire, where doubt and monstrosity abound, this much is clear to me: the grilled cheese is a small and perfect thing.

Amen.

I love me a grilled cheese sandwich and I'm not picky about it, but if you want to take the time to put in the extra effort, the following recipe is the best grilled cheese you'll ever make:

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1020107-french-onion-gri...

If you have some fresh tomatoes on hand, this is almost as tasty and a lot easier (and not technically grilled cheese, since no grilling is involved, nor a sandwich unless you want to call it open faced):

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1024469-tomato-cheddar-t...

trashcan21371 day ago
I never understood the appeal of grilled cheese and thought it's mostly because every time I see it it's made with toast bread (???) or brioche (hard to get a decent brioche here in Poland) but I can see a variation made with what I would call bread.

Will give it a go.

tclancy1 day ago
Ok, I am about to dig in, but a person willing to write about food most anyone can cook and give me Branaugh's Henry V is an instant read.
GeekyBearabout 23 hours ago
Rye bread, cheddar, and a 50/50 mix of butter and bacon grease in the pan.
wahern1 day ago
This always comes to mind whenever [grilled] cheese sandwiches do:

> I was reminded of a conversation I had with an American military intelligence officer who was having a supper of Jack Daniel's and Coca-Cola at a Kigali bar.

> "I hear you're interested in genocide," the American said. "Do you know what genocide is?"

> I asked him to tell me.

> "A cheese sandwich," he said. "Write it down. Genocide is a cheese sandwich."

> I asked him how he figured that.

> "What does anyone care about a cheese sandwich?" he said. "Genocide, genocide, genocide. Cheese sandwich, cheese sandwich, cheese sandwich. Who gives a shit? Crimes against humanity. Where's humanity? Who's humanity? You? Me? Did you see a crime committed against you? Hey, just a million Rwandans. Did you ever hear about the Genocide Convention?"

> I said I had.

> "That convention," the American at the bar said, "makes a nice wrapping for a cheese sandwich."

From "We Wish to Inform You that Tomorrow We Will Be Killed with Our Families: Stories from Rwanda" by Philip Gourevitch.

derbOac1 day ago
I feel obligated to note the grilled-cheese-adjacent brie and butter sandwich of Twin Peaks notoriety.
31carmichaelabout 23 hours ago
Grilled cheeses should be outlawed.