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jerfabout 1 hour ago
This is a really important concept for developers.

One aspect for developers that I see quite often is the assertion that "We can't have X without giving up more Y", most commonly "we can't have more security without giving up on user experience". With the Pareto idea in mind, we can see that that statement is true, if and only if you are in fact on the Pareto frontier of security and user experience already.

However, many times these confident pronouncements are being made when the system under question is quite evidently not on the Pareto frontier in the first place and indeed you can get more of one without giving up the other.

Making it more tricky is that in business, you can never discard "money" as a dimension, so unless you're taking "money" as one of the dimensions in the original comparison you want to do, it sneaks its way in. Or, a composite time/money, or "cost to business", or some other similar concept, time & money aren't orthogonal and don't need to be treated as two separate dimensions in general, though you can if you want. Which puts you into the 3D case, and as the page says, that grows the frontier quite a lot, which is good in some ways and bad in others. Nevertheless, in my opinion it is still often the case that even in that space we are often making "tradeoffs" without checking that we're on the Pareto frontier in the first place.

voidhorse40 minutes ago
Yes, the difference between coding (writing software) and engineering (making informed trade offs about system design) is effectively bound up in analyses like those supported by concepts like pareto efficiency.

One should keep in mind though that not all problems have a neat solution. Many spaces have multiple efficient points that still need to be chosen from, and many pareto optimization problems actually become NP hard computationally when the problem is large enough.

__sabout 1 hour ago
> You probably won't pick a driver sitting on the edge of the frontier because you want some balance between speed and acceleration

for super mario kart speedruns go with bowser/dk: https://www.speedrun.com/smk/runs/zp68nr8m

That seemed to hold up for Mario Kart 8 too going with Bowser at the edge of their pareto frontier, https://www.speedrun.com/mk8

needing acceleration is a skill issue

_superposition_5 minutes ago
Lol skill issue... Right! But that's how you choose your weights. If you're not a great driver you need to give more consideration to acceleration.
frantathefrantaabout 1 hour ago
On the other hand, if you are a casual and want to dominate 99% races you enter at people's homes, pick Toadette (with Mr. Scooty). I don't think I've lost since 2019.
paytonjjones28 minutes ago
Speedruns are for playing the track solo, right?

If you're playing normally (with other people and items), even the most skilled player can't avoid getting hit by some universal items and will benefit from acceleration.

Hence, as the author notes, the balanced build with Peach being favored among competitive players.

crtasm23 minutes ago
GP first link is to a speedrun in the all cups category, played with items and computer opponents. There's a video included.

People do speedrun the individual tracks solo in other categories.

ChrisGreenHeurabout 1 hour ago
Adding skill is just another dimension to the calculation.
a3wabout 2 hours ago
I did not understand https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49096439, but I understood this.
prvc35 minutes ago
I am the complete opposite of that. My attention wanes when someone fails to get to the point, instead dwelling in irrelevant details which are not intrinsically interesting. Have to muster the motivation to concentrate in such circumstances, and doing so is not enjoyable.
woodrowbarlow12 minutes ago
is this also true when the irrelevant details are (by coincidence) interesting (to you)? it sounds to me like GP is interested in mario kart and you simply aren't, so this is a perfectly natural result.
caxco93about 1 hour ago
I can only imagine the guy that made Mario Meets Pareto waiting for some Pareto related post to hit the front page before sharing his
darkwaterabout 1 hour ago
I remember seeing this on HN frontpage already in the past, and indeed here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39936246
applfanboysbgonabout 1 hour ago
It turns out a lot of things are extremely accessible to a lot more people when you teach them as concrete, relatable scenarios in simple language with useful visualizations instead of abstract X, Y foos and bars described with an unfamiliar jargon term every 3rd word. We really need to do better when it comes to pedagogy.
Retr0idabout 2 hours ago
nwsm25 minutes ago
Nice article, I'm sad to learn that I shouldn't be using Koopa. How are Peach and Mario not dominated on acceleration by Tanooki Mario and Luigi respectively?

Also, wonderful visualizations, but the change between blue and white backgrounds is really jarring to me.

SubiculumCode22 minutes ago
Koopa came out in offroad vs weight..without being that familiar with the game, I don't know whether that would ever be important enough to care about
Xirdusabout 1 hour ago
In Firefox reader mode, there's like 5 paragraphs of text. I am unable to digest the content on the website itself. Can someone confirm if the 5 paragraphs is the whole content or if I have large parts of it missing?
Levitzabout 1 hour ago
The article includes interactive graphs and scrolling animations that explain them, as well as data.
bix69 minutes ago
Lakitu ftw
demibabs20 minutes ago
This article isn’t quite accurate; acceleration is surprisingly unimportant in Mario Kart and not really considered a major factor when choosing a optimal combo. The optimal combo is solely decided on the basis of speed and mini-turbo. Otherwise good analysis.
rakamotogabout 1 hour ago
This was fun, thank you
reconnectingabout 1 hour ago
Thanks! Very useful information. I will never play for Bowser again.
Jepacorabout 1 hour ago
Once at a Mario Kart 8 tournament I was helping run there was a kid who had picked Bowser and max speed and he was struggling to make every turn.

I switched him to the meta build and suddenly boom, he went from like 10th to 2nd against the AIs.

It's kinda weird that you can shoot yourself in the foot so much when picking your kart in this game.

latexrabout 1 hour ago
> It's kinda weird that you can shoot yourself in the foot so much when picking your kart in this game.

Nintendo optimises for fun, not competitive play. Infamously, to curb the competitiveness of Super Smash Bros (SSB) Melee, they introduce a random tripping mechanic in the following SSB (Brawl). Everyone hated it so they removed it in the one after that.

latexrabout 1 hour ago
It might still be the best option, depending on your play group. For example, if you’re in a play group with a bunch of novices and you’re destroying them, like finishing a full lap before the second place, choosing Bowser gives you a handicap. Lowers your chances of winning but increases fun for the group as a whole.
andaiabout 1 hour ago
Excellent. This is some kind of 3D PowerPoint. How did he do that?
superMayo28 minutes ago
Author here. The source code is available at https://github.com/SuperMayo/mayerowitz.io.

It’s called scrollytelling. For this particular project, I borrowed a lot from https://mlu-explain.github.io/. For the 3D elements, I used Threejs and a custom vertex shader for the 3D plot.

bekleinabout 1 hour ago
I guess the author used a different framework but I like this one: https://animejs.com/
Retr0idabout 1 hour ago
Looks like html+css+js+webgl
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Aeroiabout 1 hour ago
wow that took alot of work. nice job
suzukivenomabout 1 hour ago
beautiful site
ShinyLeftPadabout 2 hours ago
The site is really broken on mobile.
superMayo25 minutes ago
Can you tell me what’s going on? I tried my best to make it work on every device, but handling mobile is hard, and especially when you’re messing with interactivity and 3D.
voidnullvalueabout 1 hour ago
I cannot be the only one who atrongly dislikes this bloated web design. I hit back after scrolling a bit
andaiabout 1 hour ago
Until recently I thought I hated sites that messed with the scroll out of principle, but then I found a handful of them that do a good job of it. This is one of them.
kfarrabout 1 hour ago
The key here is to have a foreground layer that always responds to scroll and informs the background layer based on its position
rtrigosoabout 1 hour ago
Also on Firefox android and working great. What's your browser/os?
fnordian_slipabout 1 hour ago
Works for me with Firefox on android and ublock origin.
phoghed33 minutes ago
Works wonderfully on iPhone
rokkamokkaabout 1 hour ago
Works for me in Firefox on Android anyway