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thomasjbabout 2 hours ago
matherialabout 1 hour ago
All silicon capacitors are relatively expensive, they're specialty parts that generally go into expensive things (mmWave airport scanners, optical backhaul, etc).
TheJoeManabout 1 hour ago
Did they build 5,000 airport scanners at once? MOQ is brutal!
IndrekR25 minutes ago
One scanner has way more than one channel…
threatripperabout 2 hours ago
Figure 1 made me laugh out loud.
stn818833 minutes ago
It may seem overly simplistic, but 2-port models for capacitors can be configured in series (as shown here) or in shunt (much more common for power distribution network applications). So, as basic as you might think this diagram is, it is entirely expected to be there so that we instantly know if the S-parameters are in series or shunt configuration - it would be more unusual if it were missing.
aaronmdjonesabout 1 hour ago
Same here. That's made my week.
tedd4uabout 1 hour ago
1 •--||--• 2

Figure 1 block diagram

dlcarrierabout 1 hour ago
Someone's actually using nF, instead of 0.022uF or 22,000pF.
PowerElectronixabout 1 hour ago
I never understood why nF is less frequently used than uF or pF. To me, the logical thing is to express the capacity in units that are between 1 and 1000, like it's done with resistors and inductors.
lisperabout 2 hours ago
Why is this a component? Couldn't you just make one of these out of PCB traces?
bri3dabout 1 hour ago
Certainly not at these frequencies and corresponding high capacitance values; getting 22nF out of a PCB even with ECM would require quite a large surface area and at 220GHz you can't have that since your wavelength is so short; you'd just be making a giant resonator instead.
IndrekR7 minutes ago
Length of this capacitor is close to half-wavelength of 220 GHz (in vacuum).

Using siblings of this broadband capacitor (40 GHz, same package) in some designs. In assembly, those require decent process control. This 0201M package is closer to 01005 passives in pad size. Typically no solder paste is used, just flux. Solder mask alignment has to be very tight (thin web used as a dam only).

Cost per cap is reasonable where it is actually needed, other parts of the system are often orders of magnitude more expensive at those frequencies where performance matters. Where it gets the very high performance, is pillars/channels etched into silicon quite similar to how DRAM capacitors are made, just a “little bit bigger”. This allows for very low inductance and thus very high resonant frequency.

Eduard25 minutes ago
ECM = Embedded Capacitance Material.

It is a special PCB laminate designed to create capacitance inside the PCB stack-up, typically between closely spaced power and ground planes.

matherialabout 2 hours ago
No, not if you want 22 nF. That's a pretty substantial capacitance. It would need to be quite big on a PCB. That would mean significant inductance, and thus, bad performance at high frequencies.
rayinerabout 2 hours ago
I love the block diagram lol.