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Wondering what the actual verification loop looks like once you start taking these systems to production.
I'm interested in hearing from folks who are hosting their own GPU to run coding models. So far my own results are... not great. Seems like frontier models are needed via the big providers?
I did 90-95% of the work on this with a local GPU. I still ran Claude and Codex, but they were just writing code to orchestrate API calls against local models, local Whisper, etc. Doing the same with the public cloud would have cost thousands of dollars, instead it cost a few hundred dollars for a frontier lab subscription and tens of dollars for electricity.
I recently got into the DGX Spark and just a month ago, got an AMD Ryzen developer platform. Both are incredibly useful tools for some upcoming projects I'm working on (also related to government corruption), but in my limited experience of trying to run opencode on them, the "good models" are still completely unusable because the system prompt alone requires a minute of thinking.
Still, it's largely replaced the cheap tier of the frontiers that I would otherwise be using. It can be run with older GPUs (a 3090 is ~1k), but the time spent thinking will become a fairly noticeable impediment for staying in the flow.
The next step up would be to run DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 on two DGX Sparks (~$10k), which serve at 60 TPS and sit somewhere around Opus 4.7 level without 3.8-tier thinking.
However, it is worth noting that, if you are buying this hardware just to serve LLMs, it is not cost-effective. It would take over a decade of continuous use to make back the cost of the DGX Spark setup in 0731 tokens. I'm running this setup because I happen to have a 5090, and the two 3090s in my server were cheap enough when amortised over several years.
[0]: https://github.com/Neroued/ninfer
(Submitted title was "A self hosted AI software factory")
1) I have knowledge DB that I query, spend a lot of time to get "query N models, stream to me all N results, let me pick which one" - only to find out that qwen beat all other contenders (those were picked before I got R9700, so the rest is =<8B parameters)
2) Setup OpenCode to use it and gave it a few tasks:
I'm pretty sure codding issues are just harness and lack of memory that Claude Code already had. Pretty nice setup, similar to mine but I built my own lightweight PaaS that is highly specific to what I run.The Qwen models are decent, but they don't come close to the full Claude experience I've come to expect. As such, I only use the local models for specific tasks where it makes sense to do so. Really the setup is that my Claude-powered agents are able to incorporate my local model into work it builds out. The agents can perform inference against the Ollama API as they see fit, and I encourage them to do so for tasks where (a) the low-level capacity of the local models make sense and/or (b) where costs can become a concern.
It seems to work well when it comes into play (like having Claude drive a web browsing session but letting Qwen handle much of the actual browser interactions, image analysis, etc.). Still, Qwen just isn't smart enough (or fast enough on my machine) to handle anything agentic that isn't non-trivial.
I don't know most of the stuff there, but at least you can dive there.
https://joeldare.com/creating-a-minimal-dark-factory
On bigger tasks OpenCode sometimes hangs. I'm not sure if that's on the provider side or on my network side, but i sometimes have to stop a subagent because its done but doesnt clean up. I wanted to try Pi, but now I'm wondering if Hermis is a better fit.
I pointed Claude at those for hours and hours, didn't fucking work, ended up creating more and more slop. Until I stepped in and fixed it in a few lines of code. Thankfully with all my AI assisted work, I took time to understand everything so I was able to debug and fix.
The problem for software factory is, that up to a certain point, you'll encounter some nasty bugs that are really important for your features, but you can't ship it because while the AI deals with the 90%, turns out that last remaining 10% are the one that make or break your project. And you need to deal with that remaining 10%. But how can you deal with the remaining 10% if you don't understand that 90% or majority of it?
Also, don't listen to influencers like Kent Dodds or Uncle Bob or Steve Yegge, who advocated for software factory walk away from the code kinda thing. They are already rich, and they sell teaching content, but most importantly, their time in this industry has passed. They are not in the weeds doing enterprise software development anymore.
Their first and primary concern is trying to be relevant to sell courses. They don't care about you. Yes I used to listen to them (though not often), but now not anymore. The world doesn't get better or worse whether they choose to sip margarita on a beach or spin yet another "so many words to say absolutely nothing" video/blogs.
Is it perfect now? Absolutely not. Will it continue to get better at a surprising pace? Absolutely yes.
So, just adjust your framing from "we're there" to "we're getting there" and all of your concerns go away.
The Hermes subreddit is a curious place where every second person has quick their $300k a year job and is making a living off of Hermes doing... something? They treat themselves as the CEO of a bunch of agentic employees and have AI generated infographics of their "Stack" (all hail the mighty Stack) and everybody stands in a circle and applauds the most convoluted Hermes setups you've ever seen with not a single word how any of this is supposedly making anybody any money.
Are people developing like this? Are people asking money for something they one-shot instructions to an orchestration agent which delegated to fifteen other agents in Kanban and then spat out something that "works"? Every project I've ever had an LLM do a majority of the work for me has been strictly for my personal use; I'd never let anyone else use this stuff because it doesn't pass the vibe check. When a new frontier model comes out I'll pass the previous frontier model's work past the new model and let it tear it to shreds and see what improvements could be made for shits, giggles, and to waste a week's worth of tokens in the course of thirty minutes, but Reddit is overflowing with seeming non-coders who are passing this 100% organic slop off as sellable product?
I need fewer morals.
Before this little experiment I generally used it as a very specific search engine for houses, ‘Find me a house in the country but close to amenities with a workshop barn but close enough on the train to Manchester’. It’s great for this!
I’ve never been on the Hermes subreddit I’m gonna go check it out. I agree with the commenter below, it’s fine when I need no record my reps but don’t really care how. It writes tests but I don’t verify. It’s a manual ‘works or it doesn’t’ Thing. I’d never sell the code to anyone.