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amiga386about 5 hours ago
12935 -> TIZZY (5625) -> OXBOW (2674) -> GRUFF (858) -> MAMMA (195) and I'll let you guess the rest but my next choice left 43 words, and I survived with only 4 words possible.

The rules not letting use a letter you know isn't in the target word drastically cuts your choices, your best bet is to use as few unique letters per word as you can, and as uncommon letters as you can, but as all normal words need vowels you'll be forced into only picking a vowel from the target word soon enough. Try to find letters that are in the word as late as possible so you're not locked into having to use them.

Once you are forced to use letters from the target word, avoid placing them in the right place. Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA), and a rule for not letting you put a known letter in a place you know it doesn't go (so after MAMMA, you can't have HALVE because you know there's not an A in second place, nor ALPHA because you know there's not an A in fifth place).

SkiFire13about 3 hours ago
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA)

This is not entirely correct (or at least it's worded a bit weirdly).

If you know that A goes in a certain place you can still try a word using A more than once. It's only once you know that A does not appear twice (because you tried a word containing A twice, and the second A way gray!) then you can no longer use A twice.

In your case you tried MAMMA which contained 2 As and the second one gave you the information that there's no second A.

gpvos19 minutes ago
Are there no words with the same letter three or more times?
amiga386about 4 hours ago
The best I could do with today's word, and the wordlist, but no scoring function to minmax the rules:

- FUFFY (8159) (shipping of Faith and Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

- IMMIX (4544) (to mix or blend)

- ZOCCO (2142) (low plinth, from the Italian word for sock)

- QAJAQ (530) (alternative form of kayak)

- TRATT (155) (clipping of trattoria)

- KHAPH (7) (alternative form of khaf, the 11th letter of the Hebrew alphabet)

I get the feeling that if this game had 7 steps instead of 6, it would almost always be impossible.

Lercabout 3 hours ago
I had two word possibilities left at the end, so it's possible.
gowldabout 3 hours ago
> Sadly there's a rule not letting you use a known letter more than once in a word (once A is known, you can't write ALPHA),

That rule doesn't make sense.

What if the answer is AORTA, and you want to guess ALBUM and then ALPHA?

amiga386about 2 hours ago
The sibling comment pointed it out; MAMMA is revealed with one yellow A and one grey A, meaning it has told you there's only one A. If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow.
dylan604about 2 hours ago
> If the answer was AORTA, then both As in MAMMA would be yellow

Why would the last A be yellow and not green? It's the correct letter in the correct location. MAMMA should be gray, yellow, gray, gray, green.

gpvos10 minutes ago
It took me a minute to find out that I needed to close the instructions to see the actual game. A Play button would have been nice.
Angosturaabout 5 hours ago
If you enjoy clicking things you can spend hours in their cookie consent boxes untickinv the several hundred individual ‘legitimate interest’ tick boxes for individual vendors
wlesieutreabout 4 hours ago
Only hundreds? I ended up on Thingiverse by accident yesterday it’s

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coldpieabout 4 hours ago
It's your browser's job to protect you, not the website's. There's no guarantee that a "reject all" button does anything, anyway. Instead, just dismiss the banner however and clear the site's cookies in the browser when you're done. On Firefox, you can clear your cookies in 3 clicks, use the little button on the left side of the URL bar and hit "Clear cookies and site data" and then Confirm.
pyraleabout 3 hours ago
Cookie consent usually also covers fingerprinting. Clearing cookies won't protect you from that, not giving your consent may in some jurisdictions.
coldpieabout 3 hours ago
Has that ever been enforced? I don't see any real reason to trust that clicking on a div actually does anything.
tedmistonabout 3 hours ago
*browser extensions' job
thi2about 4 hours ago
No reject all button means a closed tab.
gear54rusabout 5 hours ago
Ublock seems to work with this one.
dec0dedab0deabout 4 hours ago
Yeah, I didn't even see the popup
flexieabout 5 hours ago
We are asked to allow hundreds of cookies, not just a few, to play the game.
Madmallardabout 5 hours ago
yes top of hacker news and loaded with tracking information and a popular game so likely to garner lots of attention
inigyouabout 5 hours ago
What website isn't?

The most shocking part is that Americans care about appearing to follow GDPR, for some reason. For example, HN blatantly doesn't comply and doesn't plan to.

snowwrestlerabout 3 hours ago
There are now some U.S. state laws that impose requirements for notice and consent.
VonGallifreyabout 5 hours ago
> HN blatantly doesn't comply

What about HN doesn't comply with GDPR? It does not seem to have tracking cookies.

markkatabout 3 hours ago
Nice. I play Last Word daily.

https://dragonfjord.com/lastword/

It's the same goal, but everyone starts with the same word each day, which does not include any letters in the "last word".

No undos in Last Word. My average is 8.7 letters. Really hoping to get it to 9.

rylandoabout 6 hours ago
Well this sure makes Wordle feel a lot easier!
whoisnjoguabout 5 hours ago
and I still can't believe it took me more than 3 guesses
hollylawlyabout 5 hours ago
Of course the one time I get it in 2 guesses is in this version
bonziniabout 5 hours ago
Got to the sixth attempt, 2 words remaining, of course I picked the right one.
stavrosabout 5 hours ago
I picked the right one out of twelve.
amiga386about 5 hours ago
Having 12 options possible on the last guess is actually very good.
NikolaNovakabout 2 hours ago
Like it, but would love a "No Undo" option, or at least, "don't force undo".

My friends and I share our wordle results daily. Would like to add this, but so that if you guess in three or four tries, that's OK, that's just your score for the day. Right now game forces me to undo if I have reduced option space to fewer words than there are remaining guesses, and that's quite annoying for how we'd want to play :)

Murfaloabout 2 hours ago

    *      12974
    QAJAQ   1979
    PZAZZ    861
    OBANG    449
    URARI    232
    FLAFF     58
    DWALM     10
(totally didn't cheat: https://github.com/murfalo/dontwordle-assistant)
grocery_storesabout 5 hours ago
One thing I find odd about the rules: it forces you to respect what you've learned via green or yellow tiles, but not gray tiles. The spirit of the rules suggests once you've learned a letter is not in the word, you shouldn't be able to reuse that letter. Perhaps that would simply make the game too difficult, though.
kevsimabout 5 hours ago
It didn't let me guess things that had already been eliminated with gray tiles.
pbronezabout 5 hours ago
It does - you can type them but it rejects the word when you submit it.

I think this DOES make it way harder than regular wordle.

ChrisRRabout 5 hours ago
Isn't that rule 3?
steinvakt2about 4 hours ago
Cool. Surprisingly difficult. I made an art game inspired by wordle some years ago. My dad and I still play it daily. https://artle.eu
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nullzzzabout 3 hours ago
The ads, the banners. Immediate exit.
theideaofcoffeeabout 1 hour ago
Do you even adblock, bro.
rhplusabout 1 hour ago
I sense this is not winnable for all Wordle dictionary words. Is that provably the case?
jamesforestwestabout 1 hour ago
Funny idea, it turned out to be a bit more difficult than I thought
lucideerabout 5 hours ago
I tried playing this as if its wordle & got it in 2 guesses. How do they do this ??? That's next to impossible in wordle & the probalities seem like they should be the same?
tedmistonabout 3 hours ago
By playing Wordle well, you are essentially eliminating as much unknown words as possible each turn, e.g., SALET alone takes 12974 words down to 34 here today.

But this is like Wordle hard mode with the forced letters, so the optimal strategy is probably to invert and eliminate as little words as possible each turn.

I got pretty far here using weird words, but PIZZA turned out to be a terrible first guess for Don't Wordle (eliminating ~75% of the words):

    *      12974
    PIZZA   3169
    AQUAS    290
    SAWED     17
    MEASE      7
    LEASH      0
lucideerabout 1 hour ago
Wordle hard mode (which I play) generally limits you to a similar degree as this game - it's less strict programmatically, but anyone willingly opting into hard mode is likely following the same rules as are enforced here.

So it should be the same.

(assuming here that you're deliberately attempting to lose this game).

quietbritishjimabout 2 hours ago
I think you really did just get lucky. It does pick a word up front at the start.
f2474labout 4 hours ago
The game is cheating I guess
noahltabout 3 hours ago
This is a great demonstration of why Wordle’s Hard Mode is actually easier.
stanmancanabout 2 hours ago
My problem with hard mode is it leaves a lot up to luck. If it was 3 letters and ended in “at” it could be pat, mat, bat, hat, cat, rat, sat, etc. so all you can do is to pick one and hope for the best.
huhtenbergabout 5 hours ago
Some of the suggested plays for yellow EA and green H after the first guess:

    ALMEH
    BEKAH
    BELAH
    DEASH
    OBEAH
    SELAH
Not much fun to play with a dictionary like this :-/
pimlottcabout 4 hours ago
And yet it didn’t accept JORTS :/
MarkusQabout 4 hours ago
I can respect finding JORTS unacceptable.
mryingsterabout 1 hour ago
Dang it. I accidentally got the word in two!!!
netsharcabout 5 hours ago
I'd enjoy it if the rules with some graphics are displayed near the game, for newbies.

e.g. show a word with some green letters and that they have to be in the same spot in the other word. e.g. FUBAR with green B -> __B__

FUBAR with yellow R -> RRRR_ (with gray background and white R to signify "has to be placed somewhere here")

And for the gray letters, I guess.. show them next to the _____ in a trash can?

tfrancislabout 3 hours ago
Clicked expecting commentary on why playing NYTs wordle, and perhaps other games, was problematic for some reason. Found a game instead.
embedding-shapeabout 6 hours ago
This is amazing, and incredible difficult (or I'm terrible), after ~10 minutes I can't even get in a third guess!
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theanonymousoneabout 5 hours ago
I hope NYT lawyers don't come for you. They did for many other variants of this. Maybe reconsider the name?
lugaoabout 5 hours ago
Do they go after people using similar names or just any game with similar mechanics?
xigoiabout 2 hours ago
IIUC, game mechanics are not copyrightable.
mh-about 4 hours ago
Just the trademark, that I've seen.
thomastjeffery38 minutes ago
Unfortunately, my goto starter word is 4 green letters.

It's pretty frustrating to immediately lose, and then have to undo to find out what the word was.

MDTHLNabout 5 hours ago
This is quite fun, but I can’t believe the amount of cookies it wants to set!
whstlabout 5 hours ago
I had my ad blocker turned off temporarily and it was a strange experience.
Folconabout 5 hours ago
Is the word list complete?

I tried WEIRD and it rejected it as not a word

zabzonkabout 5 hours ago
that "i before e except after c" rule often gets taken too seriously
bigfishrunningabout 5 hours ago
i think it's kind of beautiful that weird is a weird word
hnlmorgabout 4 hours ago
Isn’t there more exceptions to that rule than there are examples where it’s correct?
LuminousWzrdabout 5 hours ago
Oh I've messed that one up before
senfiajabout 4 hours ago
You can use hints, after that I could find the right sequence

trash smash abash gnash quash clash

luciana1uabout 5 hours ago
finally a game that respects that I already know all five-letter words and would rather be told not to use them
HelloUsernameabout 4 hours ago
(Un)related; does anyone know where to play the non-NYT Wordle version?
teachabout 4 hours ago
The original version of Wordle was purchased by the NYT and then Josh took down his copy, so there's no canonical "non-NYT" version anymore.
dec0dedab0deabout 4 hours ago
I'm sure someone has the original saved somewhere, I had it on an old work computer.
mdaabout 5 hours ago
I see that terrible cookie permission window (62 legitimate interest) and I close the window,
lugaoabout 5 hours ago
It is too hard to be fun :P
doctorpanglossabout 1 hour ago
Legitimately a much better game than actual Wordle.
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intrasightabout 5 hours ago
What does "you have already eliminated the letter T" mean?
codechicago277about 5 hours ago
You already guessed a word that had a “T” in it, and the game confirmed that “T” is not in the word. So you can’t guess another word with a “T”.
asturaabout 5 hours ago
The word doesn't contain the letter T.

It means you previously guessed a word with T in it and it wasn't marked at green (correct spot) or yellow (word contains letter in different spot).

JoshTriplettabout 3 hours ago
Disappointing that this seems to only be a "daily" game, and not have a "just play" mode that uses random words. First thing that I look for with any game that presents itself as "daily" is "where's the non-daily mode".
phren0logyabout 5 hours ago
Be happ-ole? (Insert whistling)
massimodeluisaabout 6 hours ago
Ahahhaha funny! xD
burnt-resistorabout 5 hours ago
The goal isn't explained clearly and simply enough.
pasc1878about 5 hours ago
The goal is to get mony from clicks in "legitimate interest"

What is legitimate here. You and the site why does any third party have an interest?

tantalorabout 4 hours ago
(meta comment) the chit chat about cookies is off topic and pointless