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bryanlarsenabout 4 hours ago
Due to ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) and the Chinese connection this cannot be a direct competitor to SpaceX. American payloads cannot fly on Chinese rockets and Chinese payloads can't fly on American rockets.

The article does not mention Stoke Space. Aspire's approach is much closer to Stoke's than it is to SpaceX's. Stoke uses a "virtual aerospike", to oversimplify.

peri-clabout 2 hours ago
Not to mention the Russian connection. (The article mentions in passing, "Aspire already has a launchpad in Baikonur". The Russian state space agency, Roscosmos, owns the Baikonur Cosmodrome. Kind of an odd choice for a European Union[0,1] company).

[0] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/aspire-space-technol...

[1] https://www.lbr.lu/mjrcs-web-front/consult-company/B283890

zardoabout 2 hours ago
The vast majority of launches now are now commercial LEO satellite constellation.

Would ITAR prevent Amazon from contracting with a Chinese launcher?

dabluecabooseabout 4 hours ago
Rocket Scientist here. Quick (simplified) primer on engine nozzles and why aerospikes are advantageous:

A rocket engine bell is a supersonic nozzle. Subsonic nozzles, like on your garden hose, typically go from wider to narrower to increase pressure and velocity of the exiting flow. Supersonic nozzles generally narrow to a point; This point is calculated to be exactly where the exhaust stream reaches Mach 1 (Supersonic flow). Once a flow is supersonic, it behaves differently and somewhat counter-intuitively. The nozzle widens to increase velocity and decrease pressure. The bigger the engine bell, the less the pressure is at the exit, and the faster the flow.

Generally, rocket engine bells have one ambient pressure value that they produce optimal thrust at. This is equivalent to the exit pressure at the very end of the bell. Take a look at the engine bell for the Apollo service module- It's quite large in order to expand the flow as much as possible to perform well in a vacuum (Very low pressure)[1].

If the ambient pressure is higher than the exit pressure, your flow is underexpanded and you get shock diamonds, as seen here [2]. The SR-71's engines were optimized for a higher altitude/lower pressure, so on takeoff the ambient pressure is pushing "inward"; the flow is underexpanded.

If the ambient pressure is lower than the exit pressure, and you see a large plume expanding outward from the nozzle, as seen here [3]. The flow is pushing "outward" at a higher pressure than the ambient; the flow is overexpanded.

Most rocket engines are optimized for an altitude/pressure ~midway through the stage's lifetime, so they're underexpanded at launch and overexpanded at engine cut-off. You can see in both examples that the velocity vector of the escaping flow isn't parallel to the rocket- it's going inward (underexpanded) or outward (overexpanded). This is the source of inefficiency with respect to engine bells.

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The main advantage of an aerospike is that the ambient pressure effectively provides the outer shell of the engine bell- the flow is always optimally expanded at every altitude. This means you don't need to pick an optimal "midpoint" to design your engine around- the flow is always optimal from launch to orbit.

This massive upside comes with a downside. Staging generally provides two advantages to a rocket: The ability to shed dead mass, and the ability to "upgrade" to a more optimal engine bell. With an aerospike, you have an expensive engine that you don't want to drop (because it's perfectly efficient at every altitude) but now you have to figure out how to shed the dead mass as you go.

Personally, I've always envisioned an aerospike working well on a Space Shuttle type vehicle- the engines are kept and the fuel tanks are discarded. I'm interested to see if aerospike development comes with a change in how we see launch vehicles in the post-shuttle era that's largely dominated by disposable or VTOL-recoverable first stages.

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Apollo_C...

[2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d3/SR...

[3] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Apollo_1...

yjftsjthsd-habout 1 hour ago
> With an aerospike, you have an expensive engine that you don't want to drop (because it's perfectly efficient at every altitude) but now you have to figure out how to shed the dead mass as you go.

> Personally, I've always envisioned an aerospike working well on a Space Shuttle type vehicle- the engines are kept and the fuel tanks are discarded. I'm interested to see if aerospike development comes with a change in how we see launch vehicles in the post-shuttle era that's largely dominated by disposable or VTOL-recoverable first stages.

My immediate thought on reading that first statement was also that the space shuttle had already solved that perfectly:) Is there any caveat to just strapping on disposable fuel tanks that are jettisoned as you go? Other than needing connectors and the tiny matter of completely redesigning the overall rocket, of course;)

bryanlarsenabout 1 hour ago
A partially reusable system has the disadvantage of competing against SpaceX and Stoke who are aiming to have a fully & rapidly reusable rocket. That would be a massive advantage if one or both of them succeed.
levl289about 3 hours ago
very insightful response - linked article didn't discuss anywhere near this level of technical tradeoff detail.
bogzzabout 3 hours ago
It would be extremely exciting to see a modern vehicle successfully making use of aerospikes.