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chrismorganabout 20 hours ago
This website has the distinction of being the first basically-just-content website I have ever encountered to break when web fonts are blocked (or otherwise fail to load).

Other than the weird 5×5 colourful tile image thing near the top, all the content is in the document, but they go out of their way to break it in various baffling ways: ① if JS is disabled, it hides all the content behind a “Please enable JavaScript to view this website” screen; ② if fonts fail to load (fonts? fonts!?) it hides all the content behind a “Fonts didn't load. Reload the website.” screen; ③ even if you get it all, keyboard navigation (Up/Down/PageUp/PageDown/Space/Shift+Space) is broken because they went out of their way to not use the perfectly good document scroll area and make their own fixed-positioned one within, and they didn’t even make that focusable, so pressing Tab to get the focus inside it will in some browsers jump you halfway down the page.

(I would not have commented any of this were it not for its first-time status.)

zamadatixabout 15 hours ago
100k prize announcement for a competition right up a HN writer's alley and the top discussion on it is how the announcement page doesn't load correctly on a browser with half the features disabled. We are truly a special group :D.
hansvmabout 14 hours ago
I have a fully functional, updated Chrome derivative with all the features enabled, and they went out of their way to dynamically load a

  Update your browser to access this website
message as the only visible content rather than test features (which they're clearly doing to GP, so how much work would it be to properly use that feature testing as the main tool for compatability checking) or just letting the browser try to load it -- displaying one of those big-tech "update your browser now" nag messages if they really feel the need to be annoying.
chrismorganabout 14 hours ago
That message is triggered by checking for support of the CSS light-dark() function and :has() selector:

  window.CSS&&CSS.supports&&CSS.supports('color','light-dark(#000, #fff)')&&CSS.supports('selector(:has(a))')
Are you sure your browser is fully functional and updated? Chromium shipped the last part of that incantation two and a half years ago.
chrismorganabout 15 hours ago
It’s currently at +39. I did not expect that! I expected it to settle at the bottom like something that settles at the bottom—I dunno, detritus, lees, Titanic, something like that.

Still, I’ll take the opportunity to advocate for turning off fonts. Firefox: Settings → Fonts → Advanced settings → Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of your selections above. I’ve been using the web so for 6½ years and it makes it so much better.

hansvmabout 14 hours ago
It probably just literally doesn't work for most people. If you click through, see a broken page, and see that the top comment thinks the way in which it's broken is interesting, that'll probably be more interesting to engage with than the contents of the page.
aand16about 14 hours ago
+40 I hate websites that do stupid stuff. My latest pet peeve is Qwen's blog, when I pinch to zoom, to be able to read their tiny graphs, there is a black bar that progressively covers the entire page.
soulofmischiefabout 11 hours ago
We should not accept defeat when it comes to accessibility, graceful degradation and adherence to standards.
peri-clabout 16 hours ago
I circumvented it with this one-liner (credit to DSV4 0731, who kindly read the minified scripts for me). I got it to work by injecting it at the console after a refresh, and before the scripts finished loading (there's probably more robust ways but I'm lazy and this does work).

    FontFace.prototype.load = function() { return Promise.resolve(this); };
Anyway; those are my two cents.
debo_about 17 hours ago
This is what happens when the world has a gpu per person
huangmabout 17 hours ago
Sorry, we’ll fix!
alpha_squaredabout 15 hours ago
This should be a pretty simple 1-line CSS fix, just default to standard system fonts if the "dg" font isn't available.
chrismorganabout 14 hours ago
No, it’s loading the font in JS for some reason (rather than a regular @font-face) and going out of its way to break the page if that fails, rather than ignoring it as it should. `font-family: dg` is fine, it’ll fall back to the user’s default font (which will typically be serif).
sebastosabout 15 hours ago
>Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting.

This is the guideline that people find, by far, the hardest not to break. @dang or whoever - has anyone ever considered adding some kind of 'meta' discussion area to each topic? This would provide a place for people to commiserate / troubleshoot without diluting the main discussion? As we saw here, the discussions can sometimes be plenty productive (e.g. the author seeing and reacting to the criticism, paywall workarounds, etc.), it's just not what people interested in the actual subject want to read. And conversely, if it was moved into a special meta annex, people with a problem or a gripe would know right where to look.

chrismorganabout 15 hours ago
The only reason I commented this was because the specific breakage was novel. And it’s rare for this specific type of comment to rank highly. Apparently this one is unusually interesting to others, or something? Beats me.
sebastosabout 14 hours ago
Sure, the specifics of this issue are intriguing on their own terms to the website nerds, but “there exists a problem with display of the website” surely rates as a tangential annoyance.

It’s unrealistic to imagine that we could ever fully moderate these meta comments away because there’s always going to be new problems and corresponding urges to discuss them. Nor do I think we really want to, when it comes down to it. They’re often useful, or at least cathartic.

…but. They DO make for dreadful reading if you actually came to read about the article itself. Thus my idea to add a wiki-style meta section. Then you get best of both worlds.

bborabout 15 hours ago
I think you deserve a rule bending or two every once in a while, as a fine HN citizen in good standing. They're not even linked prominently, so the fact that they even exist for a site that doesn't justify moderation actions feels a bit like Eternal September Keyfabe
algoth1about 19 hours ago
Probably lots of tracking behind the scenes requiring all the js
FuriouslyAdriftabout 17 hours ago
Privacy Badger didn't show any trackers.
megagpt1about 15 hours ago
Font-based fingerprinting is a thing too
NitpickLawyer1 day ago
I just finished reading Service Model by Adrian Tchaikovsky [1], a really timely novel that deals with lots of open ended questions of AI, robots, humanity, control, self determination, and so on. Really recommend it if you're into these kinds of things.

> Premise Imagine that AI frontier progress stops as of 1 September 2026: AI becomes faster and cheaper, but it never becomes superhuman or improves considerably across the board.

I absolutely love this premise. I wrote a comment a few days ago about this very thing. I've had this "revelation" in early 2024, when using a small local model, that even if models never improve, I'd still have a few years of discovering all the things I could do with the models.

Really cool, hopefully we get some interesting and not overwhelmingly pessimistic stories out of this project. There's enough cynicism and negativity in the world. We could use some funny takes on everyone using openclaw2040 ran by fable. Shenanigans galore.

[1] - https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/195790861-service-mod...

jaggederestabout 23 hours ago
The more I use Fable the more impressed I am with it. I am still learning how to use it, same with gpt-5.6-sol. I don't think the model has changed much, but both models have gotten smarter in leaps and bounds as I've improved the documentation, context, how I provide work to them and how I specify success.

(And generally that consists of keeping only the very most relevant details and deleting a lot of the boilerplate I used to need for other models, it's a great trend.)

I am excited for the next tier of models, but I could readily work for the rest of my career feeling like I have superpowers with only what we have right now. I'm also very excited for the idea of these same strength models getting faster, and much, much cheaper.

benfortunaabout 22 hours ago
>I am still learning how to use it

I find it interesting that we are still talking in terms of modifying our behaviour to accommodate the tools. Surely the point of LLMs is not to "learn how to use it" but as an extension of our own unique capabilities - the most personalised tool in all of history.

siffinabout 22 hours ago
The point of any tool is to learn how to use it best. That's the difference between slicing off your arm, or building a chair.

LLMs don't read minds. There's always a chasm between you (your ideas) and them becoming reality. Exactly how people cross that chasm is all the rage right now, and there are a million ways to do it - but just expecting the LLM to pull details out of a few words isn't going to produce anything decent.

embedding-shapeabout 22 hours ago
You're gonna need both to be able to work with it effectively though, just like working with your hands and wood isn't the same as working with abstract architectures via characters and words on a screen, like we've done since the beginning of programming with English language rather than just numbers and formulations, like how it was in the beginning.

Going further, even programming languages "asks" that you change the way you work to make the most use of them. A Clojure developer has a very different development process than a Rust developer, and they're both efficient, right and correct in their ecosystem, but the experience differs vastly and Clojure for example would change you to fit itself, rather than the opposite.

jaggederestabout 22 hours ago
I think I would actually characterize it as a mutual change - obviously the model doesn't change as far as I can tell, but changing the harness and context changes its behavior so wildly that it might as well. Bit of a pas de deux - I learn, I change the context to teach it, it teaches me in turn, rinse and repeat.
mc3301about 23 hours ago
I finished reading it recently, too. I thought it was quirky, delightful, and obviously exaggerated for entertainment and contemplation purposes. I've recommended it to a bunch of people, too!

It triggered one of my favorite weird activities: after reading a book that I fully enjoyed and feel was completely "worth it," I give myself a few days to float on that happy feeling. Then, I go look at specifically only one and two star reviews. And laugh. Man, some people hated that book!

Note that otherwise, as a rule, I basically never read reviews of entertainment, restaurants, hotels and similar before nor after. I'm just not interested.

pixl97about 13 hours ago
>but it never becomes superhuman or improves considerably across the board.

With were AI agent clusters already are I'd say they have reached superhuman capabilities in a number of metrics. I for example am not going to go toe to toe writing exploits against the best models we have out. Faster and cheaper just means they can pear down and explore the problem space even faster than I already can.

abrookewood1 day ago
Haven't read that one yet, but his Children of Time series is sooo good.
yitchelle1 day ago
Yes, that book is a stark reminder (or prediction).
ideasman421 day ago
I couldn't believe it when the "real" news headline was reported - destructively scanning books.

I thought this was one of the less plausible parts of the book, Sigh! :)

jaggederestabout 23 hours ago
Down the pipe, I think it's medium likely we'll start destructively scanning humans. Wild stuff, honestly.
maxnevermindabout 23 hours ago
> Someday, such as in 2040, there may be available, for every human being, the performance equivalent of 'a B300 GPU for contemporary LLMs'. What would this world be like?

If we talk about just LLMs, given how things have been going since ChatGPT, my bet it would not change that much. LLMs are not foundational technology such as Internet or Steam engine or Rail roads were. There are very few products that can build upon them because of reliability issues which are completely unresolvable for LLMs, chatbots is a decent product that came out of it, coding harnesses is another one, this is not even close to the impact Internet or Steam engine had. LLMs gave us nice productivity tools for highly motivated expert knowledge workers, that is all. LLMs are getting better and will get better, but it is impossible to describe the universe and compress it into few terabytes and that is what they are doing atm effectively, so all serious LLMs's issues will still be there in 2040: the lack on continues learning, hallucinations, terrible sample ratio, agent's failures on long horizon tasks, instruction following failures.

setoptabout 22 hours ago
I disagree with this take. While LLMs themselves are currently unreliable, the work done in the math community on hooking up creative LLMs to reliable verifiers like Lean show that it’s possible to construct systems where the unreliability is suppressed. For now, that still requires experts to set up and monitor, but I do believe that in a couple of decades we’ll make progress on how to do more mundane tasks in a reliable way without expert supervision, where an LLM still sits as the translation layer between humans and machines. And that universal human-to-machine translator, I would certainly consider a foundational technology.

EDIT: If you asked people on the street in 1990, they’d probably not consider the Internet to be in the same category as the Steam engine either. I mean, you already had phone and fax, so it wasn’t that ground breaking. And I’ve even read articles from the mid-90s declaring the Internet a temporary fad.

maxnevermindabout 21 hours ago
> I disagree with this take. While LLMs themselves are currently unreliable, the work done in the math community on hooking up creative LLMs to reliable verifiers like Lean show that it’s possible to construct systems where the unreliability is suppressed. For now, that still requires experts to set up and monitor, but I do believe that in a couple of decades we’ll make progress on how to do more mundane tasks in a reliable way without expert supervision, where an LLM still sits as the translation layer between humans and machines. And that universal human-to-machine translator, I would certainly consider a foundational technology.

Yes, for a verifiable domains you can set up a harness and brute-force a search space if you have enough money for compute. Why do you think they keep coming up with those examples of impressive achievements like solving math puzzles? Why not focus on something with economic value to it? My answer is they can't, those are hard problems, those require building an actual product, those require reliability.

> EDIT: If you asked people on the street in 1990, they’d probably not consider the Internet to be in the same category as the Steam engine either. I mean, you already had phone and fax, so it wasn’t that ground breaking. And I’ve even read articles from the mid-90s declaring the Internet a temporary fad.

We are not people people on the street we are people who are directly involved in application of the technology, we posses a higher level of insight.

xerlaitabout 21 hours ago
I generally side with your skepticism, but there are verifiable domains with economic value such as drug discovery.
wjncabout 22 hours ago
I share this sentiment, while deploring the current AI board room sentiment. I know some people that design (safe) buildings. They use software all the time for their load-bearing work (lol). Think about the creativity that could be unleashed if that (like LEAN for math) becomes a commodity.

The same thing for my job: creating insurance premiums is somewhat hard but not stellar. A combination of skills, data, tools and people. I can imagine a future where you can post a 'have good weather on holiday or money back' bond on a platform. (I can think of more serious applications...) The sheer diversity and amount of liquidity AI's can create is enormous. (Switching to a very general outlook here.) And with liquidity hopefully comes more specificity in the ROI on saving our planet. (Or the disproving of the necessity thereof, if that is your outlook.)

knollimarabout 21 hours ago
Construction isn't using LLMs any time soon like that. We don't even send our files in structured data because everyone's playing nose goes for liability and sending pdfs
_superposition_about 19 hours ago
Most notably Paul Krugman Nobel winning economist in 98: "By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the Internet’s impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machine’s."

Predicting the future is hard.

voncheeseabout 17 hours ago
Hadn't seen this quote before, amazing.

Also goes to show how hard it is to predict anything that is a massive change - these levels of changes are so infrequent that we can't rely on priors to predict the future.

megagpt1about 15 hours ago
What will be LLMs' social media?
dclowd9901about 16 hours ago
I don't think you've said anything different than the person you're responding to. The difference primarily seems to be whether you think AI is transformative vs simply being another tool (which is really just a matter of perspective).

If you're not an expert software engineer, it's transformative. If you are, it's just another tool.

stevepotterabout 12 hours ago
I’m an expert software engineer. I would categorize something that multiplies my productivity by > 2x is transformative. AI has certainly done that and more for me
roel_vabout 22 hours ago
This take is unfathomable to me. How are LLMs not massively revolutionary, despite them not being infallible? This comment reminds me of there being competitions for finding useful purposes for electricity when it was first discovered. Imagine talking about the usefulness of LLMs while thinking that LLMs in 2026 just compress a few TB of data into a set of weights and that's all they work with lol.
entropy47about 22 hours ago
Whichever side of the divide you're on, I think it's really weird that on a site like HN (where people have at least a passing familiarity with technology) there are such polarised takes on whether it's the next industrial revolution, or a technological parlour trick.

I'm giving away which side I'm on now, but most of the TAM have experienced the product at this point, and trillions of dollars have been invested. I would wager most other revolutionary technologies found their game changing, broad reaching applications by this point.

david-gpuabout 21 hours ago
Did you experience the popularization of the WWW? There were massive disagreements even among smart tech-savvy people. We even had a stock market boom and just cycle associated with it.

Funnily, none of that mattered. What mattered is that enough ordinary people on the street found it useful, both for personal and business reasons. Ask yourself: are regular people using this tech, either as producers or consumers? And remember that this is the least powerful that it will ever be.

cemkumabout 21 hours ago
The TAM of electricity is 99.999% of humanity, yet there was 82 years between Alessandro Volta's Voltaic Pile experiments and the first electrical grid in the world, Pearl Street Station, New York City.

A farmer may have seen an LLM answering their questions about how to make a less dry chicken sandwich, but he hasn't seen a specifically designed and tested harness that autonomously manages a crop harvester. There is not a lot of work in this space right now, because programming and math are infinitely more verifiable, and the capabilities of never models would probably invalidate any usecases, but if the model progress slows down, all attention will go towards making them work for any aspect of production.

bsenftnerabout 19 hours ago
That polarizing take is magnified by our failure to teach how to manage discussions that contain controversy and disagreement. Then there is the fact that most people's idea of debate is some game of dominance and not to find solutions.
titzerabout 17 hours ago
We're still in early stages, but in just 2 years AI has presented higher education with the single most disruptive change in decades. Now a computer can do your entire coursework for you, is available to converse on a broad range of topics, and can accomplish unaided huge open-ended problems.

> most other revolutionary technologies found their game changing, broad reaching applications by this point.

I think your timeline expectations are miscalibrated. The steam engine goes back centuries. Even in the mid 1700s to 1800s, advances in engine design were decades apart, and the logistics of building and deploying steam engines mandated an uptake in years, even in perfectly-fitted applications.

Like these applications where there were existing manual-labor solutions that not only fought the technology but were still competitive, AI and LLMs weren't born in a vacuum. In order to revolutionize, it must displace, and people are rightly finding ways to do their jobs in more productive ways that moderate adoption speed.

Can you name some other technologies that have exploded from 0 to billions of users in just 3 years?

madaxe_againabout 20 hours ago
It took the better part of a century for people to go from “hey look a steam engine” to “why don’t we put it on wheels?”.

Electricity took about half that time, 50 years, to go from “hey look a motor” to “why don’t we put them everywhere and build power grids?”

TV took 25 years from patent to mass market adoption.

The internet, 15 years from lynx to iPhone.

Google published the transformer architecture in 2017. We are currently at “oh hey a talking computer”.

Roark66about 18 hours ago
I'm with you on this. I remember when the Internet became a thing, how revolutionary it was to all areas of my life.

This is comparable.

While I dislike the bonkers valuations, and "were building Agi so it tells us how to be profitable" is onion worthy statement LLMs are an absolutely revolutionary technology.

Even with all the hallucinations.

Imagine telling someone 15 years ago Internet/Google is useless because people sometimes do not tell the truth online... It's like that.

I also hate the fact AI is being used as justification to grab all compute in the world and lock it up in one country's datacenters.

I hope this endeavour fails, but sadly being realistic I have to admit I think the so called "AI bubble" will not pop. Instead the companies will be bailed out with printed money.

I recently looked up there are approximately $20Trillion in circulation. Even if they print extra $2T it will dilute existing money supply by 10%. So everyone that uses USD as a currency will pay for the datacenter build out wether we want it or not.

All the compute will be slurped from the market for this and companies like nvidia that get used to 50bln deals will never go back to making consumer stuff.

I never thought I'll live to see the PC revolution reverse, but that is what seems to be happening.

Gareth321about 17 hours ago
I strongly agree. I cannot understand how anyone could seriously use this technology and come away thinking it's mostly useless. I suspect there is a LOT of bias baked into their opinion.
onion2kabout 22 hours ago
agent's failures on long horizon tasks

We've moved from LLMs being able to work on a task for about 2 minutes to about 2 hours in the last 18 months, and that's mostly limited by the context window size filling up. In 14 years time I don't really see a reason why that wouldn't have extended a time frame that's effectively continuous forever, or at least a ceiling that's indistinguishable from that.

The question really becomes "why would we want that?". The main reason you'd want an AI that can focus on a task forever is to completely remove the human from the loop. That's something we should be cautious about.

FinnKuhnabout 22 hours ago

  I do not think agents need to work continuously. They "just"
  need to work on a project longer than an employee is able to
  work on it for them to be commercially useful. Although this
  does not consider that agents might take a shorter or longer
  amount of time for the same task. Therefore, we should begin
  to compare these in tasks completed during that time instead.
onion2kabout 19 hours ago
Not sure about that. The nature of work changes if you have some[one|thing] that can work on it continuously forever. The goal of using AI shouldn't be to do the things a person does; it should be to do the things a person would be able to do if they had (practically) unlimited time.

This is one of the inflection points around working with AI. When your thinking shifts from "AI does what the person used to do" to "AI does something different that leads to the same outcome as before, but with all that cool stuff I'd love to have the time for", then the equation changes. For example, I will never write another app that doesn't have 100% test coverage again. I stress- and soak-test everything these days. That's changing how I write code - I need to write things in ways that have deterministic harnesses for things mutable state outside of my immediate control (like random numbers or datetimes or state loaded from a save) so that I can task AI with building a fuzzer that does tens of thousands of random tests on every push to see if anything broke. I couldn't do that in the past because it was always effort that a client wouldn't get enough value from to pay me to do it. I can do those things now. It's ace.

(Everywhere I put 'I' you can replace with 'AI of the Week')

bbmatryoshkaabout 22 hours ago
2 hours... of agent work, usually for the same output the average worker has to use much more time
knollimarabout 21 hours ago
Throw understanding images in there and it becomes less true in my experience. Sure they shit out code and search text well, but one infographic and they circle trying to rasterize it.
Gareth321about 17 hours ago
My codex tasks regularly cross 8 hours, and I'm only using Sol High. It's not unusual for tasks to span much longer. It just requires instructions to continue working until the spec is complete.

Anthropic and OpenAI are currently obsessed with getting humans out of the training and improvement loops. It's going to happen very soon and when it does I think we see staggering improvements in a very short space of time. Basically, the Singularity.

munksbeerabout 15 hours ago
Are you breaking up your tasks and spawning new sessions for each, or are you just yoloing and letting it auto compact when it blows the context many times on such a long running task?
bwfan123about 16 hours ago
> It just requires instructions to continue working until the spec is complete

Try putting an LLM agent in a deterministic workflow without humans in the loop. My experience with this is not encouraging. Getting it to work requires sprinkling some context magic and hoping and praying the LLM does the right thing. More astrology or religion and less science. Great for use cases with humans-in-the-loop, but less than impressive when you need determinism and reliable operation.

pazimzadehabout 23 hours ago
that's a lot of opinion without much reasoning/support

even if you're right, all fields are progressing at the same time, including biology, and the synergies are going to be significant

embedding-shapeabout 22 hours ago
> LLMs gave us nice productivity tools for highly motivated expert knowledge workers, that is all.

I feel like this is incredibly simplistic, and if you changed "LLM" to "computer" or "internet" and went back decades, it's highly likely you'd read the exact same takes in the newspaper back then about those things.

It's also at the same time downplaying just how valuable "nice productivity tools for highly motivated expert knowledge workers" could be, just like computers did for us "highly motivated expert knowledge workers" in the first place. Or computers isn't a "foundational technology" either?

maxnevermindabout 21 hours ago
> I feel like this is incredibly simplistic, and if you changed "LLM" to "computer" or "internet" and went back decades, it's highly likely you'd read the exact same takes in the newspaper back then about those things.

We are not people who write newspapers we are people who are directly involved in application of the technology, we posses a higher level of insight.

> I feel like this is incredibly simplistic, and if you changed "LLM" to "computer" or "internet" and went back decades, it's highly likely you'd read the exact same takes in the newspaper back then about those things.

Computers, the Internet, Steam engine, Rail roads are much more reliable. If you were a problem solver and entrepreneur you could go and apply those on small scale, get profits, reinvest, set up a flywheel, build a fortune on the top of those, there were a lot of low hanging fruit due to the fact that the foundation was laid out, a break-even period of James Watt steam engine was like 2-3 years I believe until everyone saw it and margins flattened. Can you do that with LLMs? It doesn't look that way.

pixl97about 14 hours ago
>Computers, the Internet, Steam engine, Rail roads are much more reliable.

Because mostly they are doing a limit number of tasks in a non-generic manner.

Railroads had all kinds of problems at first, from iron rails bending and skewering the riders to engines exploding like high pressure bombs cutting down swaths of people like grain. People still used them with those risks because taking a wagon was worse.

The internet itself is a pretty simple concept. It's "just" packet routing. Now, to make that reliable at scale we've added an enormous amount of complexity to it. If you talk an old TCP stack and dump it on todays internet it you'd find yourself hacked pretty quickly. The internet is a generic packet router, but not a generic anything router.

Computers is where the reliability starts to fall apart. Once you go from specialized purpose to general purpose the size of the problem space explodes. You wouldn't get companies called things like Micro$lop (and these things were from before the AI days).

Then when you get to AI/LLMs and especially when you push into AGI you're creating a do anything now machine. And when you can do anything it takes a lot of training to eliminate the choices that end badly. You are the endpoint of 500 million years of training, for example.

>Can you do that with LLMs? It doesn't look that way.

Can anyone do it now? You're talking about low hanging fruit 200 years ago, but how much of that is left? How much harder are we going to have to fight for the next apple up?

embedding-shapeabout 21 hours ago
> We are not people who write newspapers we are people who are directly involved in application of the technology, we posses a higher level of insight.

Cool, you're still a person who share their thoughts, just like the people who had similar reactions to when computers and the internet first came around. So many people were railing against the internet with "You'll never make payments over the internet", "it's too slow" and whatever. To the surprise of none of us nerds, the internet eventually ate the whole world and now large swaths of the population can't imagine life without it, for better or worse.

> Computers, the Internet, Steam engine, Rail roads are much more reliable.

You're comparing the reliability of huge ecosystems after they've gone mainstream, after decades, with something that is a couple of years old, hardly a fair comparison. Instead, compare where LLMs are today with the first years of computers, the internet and all that, and maybe you'll gain a new perspective on where LLMs are? None of those things were reliable initially and in many cases, involved actual human deaths before safety actually caught up.

Even when I got started with using the internet, which isn't that long time ago but around the modem-era, things were not so reliable or simple as they are today.

jstummbilligabout 22 hours ago
The thing that would change it a lot is that people would start trading away their GPUs, because some people would get vastly more economic use out of them.
RajT88about 17 hours ago
This. Look at what happened when the government gave out free ATSC tuners for people with old TV's. eBay filled up with ATSC tuners. lol
lukanabout 20 hours ago
"If we talk about just LLMs"

In general we don't, as the "chatbots" already have way more capability than "just" being able to work with text, which "just" means encoding and processing real world information and lot's of it.

For example I just fixed the gearing of my bicycle by dropping some pictures into claude and it gave me a step by step guide to fix it.

"LLMs gave us nice productivity tools for highly motivated expert knowledge workers, that is all"

And I cannot understand how that can be "all" as it means giving this power to every human, not just the few in the position to hire expert knowledge workers. Steam engines gave us the capability to let machines do the hard labour. Now with better engines and tools, AI will give robots the capability to do allmost anything humans can do. If that is not revolutionary then I don't know what is.

The main reason we humans got to the top of the food chain was because we are expert knowledge workers, able to transform the world around us to our needs.

"but it is impossible to describe the universe and compress it into few terabytes and that is what they are doing atm effectively, so all serious LLMs's issues will still be there in 2040: the lack on continues learning, hallucinations, terrible sample ratio, agent's failures on long horizon tasks, instruction following failures."

So again, just limiting this debate to a simple fixed model - then no, not too useful - but a model that can take notes and at some point reliable clear up it's context - that is a whole different story.

And it has been repeated often enough, but AI does not need to be perfect - it just has to be as or more reliable than us humans. Because yes - AI does make misstakes - but so do humans.

falcor84about 22 hours ago
> it is impossible to describe the universe and compress it into few terabytes

Why? I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, there say species that function well in their ecological niches with significantly smaller cognitive capacities. And we already have autonomous cars and drones navigate and function reasonably well. So I don't see any reason to believe it's impossible. And even if terabytes aren't sufficient, there's no real barrier to increasing capacity.

maxnevermindabout 22 hours ago
> there say species that function well in their ecological niches with significantly smaller cognitive capacities

Yes, but LLMs are not animals, animals learn from experience and LLMs don't.

Btw I meant bigger and bigger amount of data of extracted reasoning chains when you go deeper and generate more and more of them in your attempt to describe the universe, the amount of permutations explodes. And it seems LLMs can't workaround that because they don't build world model inside so they can't deduct it from pre-built world/object model, they must memorize it and look it up later.

pixl97about 13 hours ago
>but LLMs are not animals, animals learn from experience and LLMs don't.

I mean they kind of do by distilling said experience and putting it in the next model.

Current LLMs can't do it because building said world model is super expensive, anything that lowers that requirement brings us closer to continuous learning.

Also the models we train these days are typically generalized human text models. Animal models are a bit different because they won't be "word" models and they aren't going to be generalized text models like us humans use. In fact there is a story just today on HN about a user creating some rather simple transformer models to solve a number of the Arc-AGI problems not using (human) words at all. The reason you don't see more of this is most people aren't dumping compute into these kinds of issues, but instead going for the AGI prize.

smusamashahabout 21 hours ago
Computers were made and automated lots of work, even though it was still us operating those computers and making and running those automations. But eventually computers took over and running so much of the world.

Now LLMs are automating the computers themselves. This is a whole new layer that we never had before, not in this amount or with this much availability. It is not "not foundational".

bsenftnerabout 19 hours ago
Wow, you really do not understand them. The 'problem' with LLM AI is the weak educations of the people that cannot grasp their subtle multidimensional nature, and how that creates a requirement on the users' behalf to understand the language they use to communicate in a similar manner as numbers are to algebra. LLM AIs are literally literature calculus but that truthful phrase flies right over the majority's heads.
dgellowabout 22 hours ago
Also, way more centralization, with all that logic pushed to a few AI vendors
holodukeabout 21 hours ago
Absolutely untrue. LLM will be the automation force of everything. It will connect and orchestrate our entire society. It will be a much bigger impact that any other revolution in the past. Our lives will be unrecognizable in 10 years from now.
lacedeconstructabout 21 hours ago
In 10 years from now we will have another AI winter until a new thing arrives that pushes further.
rixed1 day ago
Since the dawn of industry, people have been amazed by the new possibilities and how that would affect society once it's evenly distributed. Technical progress has been going on, percolating in every places and down to every person. Yet it's never been "evenly distributed".

What would happen when every one would have access to Internet? How different will the world be when everyone carries a computer in their pocket? Can communicate with anyone regardless of location and language, with no intermediary? Those were questions we used to ask ourselves not so long ago. Turned out: not much have changed.

For the future to be evenly distributed, much bigger changes will have to happen than large scale manufacture of efficient GPUs. Otherwise, tech will just be used to make sure progress and knowledge stays unevently distributed. That's the whole game of herding humans, after all; It's called "organized scarcity".

guax1 day ago
> not much have changed.

So much have changed. The way we shop, travel, navigate a town, the way we socialize, receive information. My formative memory is during the transition from computers are a furniture piece and internet a thing you do to being on your pocket with constant high speed connection and the difference is incredible.

I was also part of the people that thought everyone having access would turn out a lot better than it ended up being. I think the issue is not that it did not change much, is that good changes got offset a bit by a lot of very bad outcomes.

No comment on the distribution and concentration part, that one I agree.

camillomiller1 day ago
In the limited pockets of society you experience directly. How much has changed in the relationship between the West and Asia, the economic inequalities globally, or even in the West, etc... if you look at macro, everything moves according to laws that have little to do with the even distribution of technology and a lot to do with the decision makers that get to pick how that distribution takes place.
elil171 day ago
Just because something doesn't impact geopolitics doesn't mean it isn't important
mlsuabout 14 hours ago
Huh? What are you talking about?

The relationship between the West and Asia in its current form (Asia as a manufacturing powerhouse, the West as hub of global finance, outsourcing all over the world, JIT manufacturing) all this stuff is totally dependent on instant communication over the internet.

We would not be able to coordinate the world's production activity from Manhattan without the internet. Capital would be far less accumulated and allocated in a way less granular way. Demand signal would be completely different, based way more on brick and mortar. Feedback loops between capital and demand would be constrained to different geographic areas which would make basically all markets way more segregated...

So it changes labor, production, demand, markets, culture, media... I think that's basically everything!

I'll tell you. I would have a different job, my city would have a different population, I would spend my time after work differently, I would shop differently, I would watch different movies and listen to different music.

jazzprogrammingabout 23 hours ago
I was thinking of something similar.

Waxing poetic, it's been a while since the wheel was invented and we've gone through a lot since then, yet the rich are still rich and the poor are still poor and the loved are still loved and the loveless still loveless.

Would one GPU data center/person make a difference? Probably not, but it could be quite fun to have your own personal genie. And then we get used to it.

Still, I'm not sure if most people care to make the distinction between technology (a rocket promising to reach for the stars) and the human condition (has it ever changed since the dawn of time?).

gwern1 day ago
> Turned out: not much have changed.

I think the world has changed a lot since the 1980s.

rbanffy1 day ago
Most people still go to work every day, inequality still exists, as does famine, disease, wars…

Our cars are cleaner, our phones are much better, our TVs much lighter and bigger.

toygabout 23 hours ago
Life in Asia and Africa has changed pretty dramatically, and improvements are accelerating. Yeah, we're not in utopia yet, but more people than ever live comfortable, safe lives. "Business at the speed of light" has become a reality, and we're still getting to grips with it. We dealt with a global pandemic with an efficiency never seen before - had it happened in the previous century, we would have probably seen "black death" levels of casualties.

Issues like inequality and conflict are mostly rooted in the human psyche more than the human condition, so they will continue to be there probably forever; but we're getting better.

cheema331 day ago
> Most people still go to work every day..

And trees and mountains and animals still exist...

Rate of change, it appears, depends entirely on someone's perspective.

bawolffabout 23 hours ago
> Most people still go to work every day,

Ironically, that is one of the things that have changed. In 1980 working from home was borderline unthinkable. Now, while it is far from universal its also not that unusual.

mshanu1 day ago
> Turned out: not much have changed Changed a lot, I am getting to know what a random person living some where in the world think about what change it has brought
chrisjjabout 23 hours ago
> What would happen when every one would have access to Internet? How different will the world be when everyone carries a computer in their pocket? Can communicate with anyone regardless of location and language, with no intermediary? Those were questions we used to ask ourselves not so long ago. Turned out: not much have changed.

We are far short of everyone having access to the internet.

prolly97about 23 hours ago
I think the idea of "even distribution" is dangerous, as it often assumes equal preferences and views of what needs to be distributed.

Do we want equal outcomes or equal opportunities. What constitute and outcome and an opportunity.

Even in something as harmless as giving people equal access to e.g. internet, we're assuming that the cost of access to internet < than the cost of their alternative preferences.

If people want to live nude in the jungle, that should be their prerogative. Let's just turn it around for a second, where a nude-jungle-living population was majority, and had the ability to force their will on you. Would you like for them to make nude-jungle-living a universal and equally distributed circumstance, in alignment with their preferences? (I wouldn't). I want access to more and "better" compute. I'm willing to sacrifice my time to get access. With my current compute spend, I'd estimate that roughly 1 hour of work per week, goes to purchase compute and related equipment.

It's only fair that those who have worked hard to manifest this compute in the world, also want something in return. I too want something in return for the hours I spend producing things that people want.

The idea that people have a "claim" on things I produce, purely as an artifact of existing, is completely bonkers.

If you want to give something to others, use your free will to do so. I do so, on occation. And I don't expect others to. But I do expect others to leave me and the things I produce alone, unless we've agreed to transact.

Sorry, but these socialist ideas of "those who make things are evil and only does so to get power over others" are so fucking tiring. "The world would be a better place if we just distributed x equal to my preference (y)". Fuck off. I don't want your Lada. But by all means go out and exchange the things YOU produce, for free internet for others. Sounds terrific. Don't force me to do the same. I have other but equal ideas of how to make the world a better place.

not2b1 day ago
Hopefully in this world, someone figures out how to deliver the performance equivalent of a B300 GPU for about 1/100th the power of a current B300 (which can be up to 1400 watts), or the world will bake.
tossandthrowabout 22 hours ago
Compared to 20-30kw spend on cruising the highway in a car (considerably higher for older ICEs) 1.4kw does not really seem to dent the energy consumption.

Especially if cognitive technologies mean that we need to travel less (eg communiting to work, or ineffecient supply chains).

eleventenabout 17 hours ago
What percentage of your time is spent cruising at highway speed? Presumably that one GPu would be saturated all the time.
paimapiabout 16 hours ago
2-3 hours at 20kW daily (assuming commute, etc) vs 20ish hours always on tasks really is close to equivalent

which is to say that the last thing our planet needs is another universalized technology that outputs as much total emissions as cars

in an ideal world, we'd keep LLMs/CNNs/etc specialized and academic until we are hitting diminishing returns on optimizing fundamental microprocessor tech like GAA. but the pursuit of market dominance and mass adoption is our current operating philosophy, and so we have things like this top graph: https://hai.stanford.edu/news/inside-the-ai-index-12-takeawa...

>Grok 4's estimated training emissions reached 72,816 tons of CO2 equivalent, or roughly the same amount of greenhouse gas emissions created from driving 17,000 cars for one year

i5heu1 day ago
8 biillion * 1400 watts = 11.2 terawatts

current global average electricity production = approximately 3.6 terawatts

But then again these systems do not use 1400 watts all the time. We would probably have much more then 11.2 terawatts demand if all humans turn on all their electrical consumers at the same time.

not2babout 24 hours ago
So demand quadruples if they are always on, and doubles if they are on 1/3 of the time. Either way, too much.
keysersoze33about 19 hours ago
Most of the energy consumption comes from moving data between memory and compute units rather than the math itself. While HBM stacked on a silicon interposer was a signification efficiency improvement over traditional DDR, there's still room for improvement. The high energy costs will drive this further, e.g. near-memory/in-memory compute (PIM) or tighter 3D packaging and possibly optical interconnects. (And of course training/model optimisations)
avaer1 day ago
Analog AI/approximate computing? There's research into it, worth looking at if you're interested.

The idea is you tolerate some loss/degradation (which neural networks do) but gain orders of magnitude power efficiency.

threetonesunabout 16 hours ago
Right, if everyone in the world has a GPU we would have solved so many problems with power generation and... I'm not going to do the math but I think we'd be mining asteroids too? I'd probably use it as a bookend at the point.
tomaskafkaabout 20 hours ago
I think personalized suriveillance and manipulation (thought control, manipulating people through filtering of content they receive) on a level any dictator would drool over can be gotten for a fraction of 1 GPU per person.
sriniwasxabout 23 hours ago
Specialized chips like what cereberus is building combined with small models can give great result in the long run, but at the pace AI is growing it's not very practical yet.
jdub1 day ago
LLM use is permitted, but discouraged; [...] We request disclosure of AI use.

Heh. In the future I imagine, this would be embarrassingly redundant. "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind."

qriosabout 14 hours ago
From Dune by Frank Herbert. See "Butlerian Jihad" [1]

[1] https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Butlerian_Jihad

blkhawk1 day ago
As far as I understand the backstory of the jihad this rule was caused not by machine minds being bad but (some) humans are very shitty.
jdubabout 20 hours ago
It was very much both.
koolala1 day ago
It's a story writing competition...
jdub1 day ago
Yeah, but I'm not going to write a short story about the Butlerian Jihad's inquisitors chasing down everyone who owns a GPU for this competition.
fangspire1 day ago
Nah, someone imagined this before you. Be more original.
divbzero1 day ago
Quite an interesting selection committee:

  Neal Stephenson
  Gwern Branwen
  Matt Huang
jephsabout 19 hours ago
Right? I'd submit something just for the chance of lodging an idea in the head of Stephenson or Gwern.
markoutsoabout 24 hours ago
> LLM use is permitted, but discouraged; we remind participants that LLM use tends to reduce originality and writing quality, and the flaws are especially obvious when LLM outputs are read as a group---unskillful use of LLMs will reduce the odds of being the best entry. We request disclosure of AI use.
ezoeabout 21 hours ago
Not all humans have equally capable literacy and industrial background.

To use current Top AI SaaS models for coding, the users have to write text prompts. There is clear difference of result by programmer and non-programmer.

Image and music generation have exactly same skill gap.

So most human don't directly use AI even if it's available to all 8 billion population.

But I really doubt we will have such all humans use AI.

The current estimate said 80% of world population own a cellphone. 50% own a smartphone. Even the cellphone is not reached 100% share, how could AI with current top model quality reach 100% share?

lnrdabout 17 hours ago
It's "what if" thought exercise, doesn't need to be an accurate (or realistic) prediction.
nbardyabout 16 hours ago
One of the amazing things is that when every has one GPU, they will actually have 1k-10k agents at their disposal.

LLMs and KV caches have amazing performance characteristics with concurrent throughput. It scales very non linearly. So the token throughput within a batch scales WAY faster than the tokens per second of each user.

This is the reason the LLM providers have such crazy margins on their costs.

orlp1 day ago
If there was a continuous 500 watt GPU per person we'd increase energy consumption by more than double.

The continuous energy footprint per person globally averages to 356 watt currently.

terhechte1 day ago
A Mac Studio m4 max in low power mode consumes ~50-100 watt on 100% gpu consumption. On GPU idle it is ~10 watt. If we imagine improved models (e.g. qwen 3.8 is a 5b moe which is way faster to process) and improved chip performance on 2nm and half a day of usage (the AI will sleep when we sleep then):

((75 watt / 2 [faster models]) / 2 [faster chips]) / 2 [half a day of usage]) => ~ 10 watt.

AI for everyone does not imply pC mAsTeRraCe for everyone.

hhjinks1 day ago
500 watts continuous isn't realistic, unless you foresee a 24/7 digital shadow society where AIs interact continuously without user input.
pixl97about 13 hours ago
Really the METR report on autonomous agent behaviors is a required read.

I think the AI's would only do a tiny percent of their talking to their human. Voice itself is only a limited method that we interact with the world. Imagine the LLM seeing what you see, monitoring your health, monitoring your interactions with the world around you and then optimizing around that. For these things it will be talking to its own agents/subagents and the AI agents that operate the services of the world in this imaginary world.

Maybe you also think of it as a self contained business that provides services to you. Even when you're not busy consuming services from that business, that business typically keeps running and doing things for when you need it next.

cheema331 day ago
> If there was a continuous 500 watt GPU per person...

Would we all be driving the 500 Watt GPU hard 24/7? And the premise that the "AI frontier progress stops as of 1 September 2026" likely does not include semiconductor progress. You are very likely to be able to run Fable class AI model on something that is significantly more efficient in 2040.

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0xjeiabout 23 hours ago
They want to give you a GPU justified for the AI revolution but, they discourage the usage of LLMs lol
newyankee1 day ago
there might be 8 billion GPUs in the world by 2040 but they will be controlled by 8 corporations across the world.
charlieyu1about 24 hours ago
So how is it different from now, you can name any industry for example
Tepixabout 23 hours ago
OK, here are a few industries: Food. Construction. Power. Logistics.
rbanffy1 day ago
“In our story contest, we ask people to imagine the future, evenly distributed.”
worldsayshi1 day ago
I think there are scenarios, however (un)likely that will lead us to this point. Imaging them and spreading such ideas can make that more likely.
bertylicious1 day ago
But the contest does not ask what needs to happen to achieve even and fair distribution of wealth, it specifically asks what might happen after we reached that point. That kind of blindness towards today's political and socio-economic conditions has always been very typical for this kind of techno optimism. I believe it actually prevents revolutionary thought by assuming some kind of revolution has already occurred somehow in order to then attribute all following societal progress to the technology alone.
rbanffyabout 16 hours ago
This is kind of why we need more Star Trek. Not that I don’t enjoy others, but I prefer space communism to almost any other possible future, especially the ones Peter Thiel has reserved for us.
gizajobabout 23 hours ago
Literally just write “the young lady’s illustrated primer” again. Stephenson already called it.
mddaabout 21 hours ago
Or : "The young GPU's illustrated human primer"
hansvmabout 14 hours ago
I'm not sure what else might happen, but at a minimum the Babel Fish will finally be real, even without internet.
mkagenius1 day ago
> LLM use is permitted, but discouraged; we remind participants that LLM use tends to reduce originality and writing quality, and the flaws are especially obvious when LLM outputs are read as a group---unskillful use of LLMs will reduce the odds of being the best entry. We request disclosure of AI use.

Lot of submissions won't disclose it. Wouldn't it better to run your own checker instead of asking to disclose (to be fair to everyone).. I suppose there ought to be some checker which is SOTA.

If you anyway intend to use the checker then kindly do no ask to disclose it, coz what's the point then.

cheema331 day ago
> Wouldn't it better to run your own checker instead of asking to disclose

Do you know of a "checker" that can reliably detect AI-assisted writing with 100% accuracy? One does not exist.

> If you anyway intend to use the checker then kindly do no ask to disclose it, coz what's the point then.

You appear to think in absolute terms. I am guessing you are very young.

mkagenius1 day ago
I said SOTA not 100%. And that's not thinking in absolute terms.
prodigycorpabout 24 hours ago
SynthID is designed in a way that makes it virtually impossible to scrub over longer texts. It's harder for text than it is for images.
calmoo1 day ago
Pangram is very accurate
NitpickLawyer1 day ago
It really isn't and it's sad seeing so many people say it so confidently on this site. It only detects plain / basic prompted stuff. "write me an essay on x", sure. The moment you prompt it differently, it stops working. Add "output should be STE100 compliant" or something to your prompts and detection goes away. Fine-tune any local llm on real human prose, and detection goes away. Edit 2-3 characters (emdashes, lists, etc) and detection goes away.

And that's for just basic detection. There have been plenty of examples of 100% human written content (either old, or unpublished) that gets falsely flagged as AI.

And these are just technical aspects. The main issue is that pangram and other solutions are being used to summarily judge students work, and that is orders of magnitude more fucked up. Accusing someone of cheating can have devastating effects on their education/career/etc. and they're doing it with snake-oil closed boxes, at scale. We really really shouldn't support this, especially here on a technical site.

jedberg1 day ago
No it isn't. I've put human written material in there (my own unpublished material) and it says 90%+ AI. Then I put some AI material in and it said 30% chance of AI.

I only tested it with the two pieces, but was not impressed.

itomatoabout 17 hours ago
All the world has access to forks/chopsticks/spoons, but every person has a preference that might be N+1 or 0.

Does the population-indexed GPU cluster reconfigure or autoscale? What's the tipping point before population change is gamed?

It's a weird premise, if you want my opinion.

debbiedownerabout 8 hours ago
Hmm I wonder what the preselection to get to the top 10 are? Human readers or automated?
akoumjianabout 13 hours ago
This is a great contest.

> never becomes superhuman

Arguably, we are already there. I think the idea of the intelligence not scaling far beyond what we have now is worth considering, though doubtful.

pixl97about 13 hours ago
Being able to logically reason about where to explore a problem space, and then direct thousands of agents on doing just that is a superhuman ability. Hell, we recently did that on accident!

The question really boils down to just how far is really really far? If the intelligence problem gets big-O notation hard as you climb the scale then something just a itty-bitty-bit smarter than you might as well be a million miles past you.

I also wonder about different directions of scaling too. For example humans aren't getting much smarter over time and we've started horizontal scaling. Governments and corporations for example. All the richest people in the world are heads of corporations or governments that gain wealth on the concentration of that power. It doesn't seem beyond imagination that AI could expand into that market and fit very well.

Zoo3yabout 24 hours ago
Asimov's laws of robotics and Herbert's Dune foreshadowed the troubles we are facing now and have been largely ignored. It appears fiction does nothing to guide us when it comes to technology; no matter how prescient or widely read. Consider this when writing your idealist drivel.
BillStrongabout 22 hours ago
I mean, why would we wait til then? AMD is buying a company that put LLama 3.1 7b(or something close) on silicon, and can give you 15k t/s, Qwen just released Qwen 3.8 Next that seperates the intelligence from the database, so the intelligence is 6b and the rest can be done on CPU. You can put that 6b on the AMD silicon, and then use another accelerator to speed up the database if you need fast PP, and you are now much faster than the B300 after optimizations such as caching the Prompt once, and keeping it around, and many others.

Suddenly, you can put that on the CPU next to an NPU, or on its own card, on the motherboard or on a GPU.

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Waterluvianabout 19 hours ago
My submission: there’s a writing competition with a $100,000 prize for the best AI-generated story. But to get an edge, the protagonist cheats by writing it themselves.
re6torabout 14 hours ago
Do submissions need to be in English? If so, that'll prevent a huge chunk of us from participating.
hansvmabout 14 hours ago
I'd be surprised if the 3 judges share a common language other than English at the requisite level for judging writing.
ryukopostingabout 17 hours ago
After the first couple paragraphs I thought this was going to be a parody of One Laptop Per Child. Sadly it wasn't.
pjmlpabout 22 hours ago
They already have, unfortunately most devs still don't target GPU and NPUs available on their mobile devices.

Webviews are naturally not the way to handle them.

tmalyabout 15 hours ago
I don't see how an even playing field can exist given the Power law
jgbuddyabout 13 hours ago
I appreciate their AI usage policy and agree with it
tucnak1 day ago
Neal Stephenson is one of the judges. 40k seems like generous enough first prize. I wonder if they will accept a play.
gwern1 day ago
> I wonder if they will accept a play.

We will accept any words you think have a chance of being the best thing we will read about the premise of 'GPU World'. Because the premise is so specific, we wanted to leave participants a lot of freedom in how they used it.

(Also a little bemused at the discussion of the grand prize amount here. $40k is a very generous prize for a short piece of writing. For perspective, the Commonwealth Short Story Prize, which you may have heard of recently, offers its global winner 1/6th as much; the last contest I ran offered 1/4th as much, and the contest before that was... 1/40th as much? And I didn't hear anyone complaining about them. For further perspective, $40k is about the median American per capita annual income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_capita_personal_income_in_... )

avaer1 day ago
> $40k is a _very_ generous prize for a short piece of writing

Exactly. Not sure it will stop the inevitable torrent of slop, but it's generous enough that I think enough serious people will take it seriously that something interesting can float to the top. Can't wait to read (maybe write).

2ajshg17about 17 hours ago
Of course. Ex Sequoia members and crypto bros are generous.

How are you going to evaluate 10^6 submissions? Let me guess: You'll preselect with AI for the expedient narrative:

"AI will be democratized and a small model will run on any GPU and there will be no oligarchies and China will pay for all of it!"

avaer1 day ago
Also gwern and Matt Huang. Seems a pretty interesting committee.

And 40K is enough for this to be taken seriously for producing 1000-5000 words.

prima-facieabout 18 hours ago
> What if the world had one GPU per person?

It already does, in the form of mobile phones. It's just that these GPUs are not very powerful _yet_. But the building blocks to enable offline agents on mobile phones are already in place. i.e. Android AI Core framework.

dkenyserabout 17 hours ago
This comment is needlessly pedantic. Surely you're able to understand what their implication is.
anonzzziesabout 21 hours ago
That's pessimistic. In 2040 we have a cluster of b300 equals or more in our phone.
_joelabout 23 hours ago
Anyone else sing that in there head as, "Where in the world, GPU world".
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XCSme1 day ago
We can't even predict/understand our current world, yet alone the world in 20 years.

Even if we get to one GPU pe person, it's not like that's the end state, the world constantly changes and will constantly evolve. If it stagnates too long, people get bored and a revolution would happen.

So, whatever that world would be, it would be temporary too

worldsayshi1 day ago
I think the point of stories like these is to accept that the world is too complex to fit into a story but we can try to fit a part of it anyway and we might learn something from it or at least get an interesting experience.
XRG1 day ago
Boredom may cause teenagers to commit acts of vandalism; it’s not a typical cause for revolution. (That would be things like famine, gross inequality, severe injustices and so on.)
peter_d_sherman1 day ago
>"Someday, such as in 2040, there may be available, for every human being, the performance equivalent of 'a B300 GPU for contemporary LLMs'.

What would this world be like?

What will our world be like when (not if) every human being has access to the equivalent of a Fable or Sol LLM 24/7/365? Will this lead to a panopticon of indefatigable AI surveillance? Will education be revolutionized by infinitely patient tutors? Will social media cease to exist as we know it? Will healthcare be revolutionized by world class AI doctors and personalized medicines? What will happen in the oft-ignored developing world?"

What great questions!

These would be great questions to pose to a Creative Writing class, any Creative Writing class!

Or heck, any Creative Writing class, Philosophy class, or Futurist!

You know, there should be a web page, a time-capsule web page if you will, where people of 2026 ask questions about what specific future years will look like in terms of health, climate, politics, religion, currency, geopolitics, social media, news, education, etc., etc., and then all of these questions could be aggregated statistically into the most asked ones, and that could be preserved going forward in time...

That's from a looking-forward-into-the-future perspective...

We could, from a looking-backwards-into-the-past perspective, try to discover what people, in say 1900, thought about the future; what their specific concerns were, what their specific questions were... perhaps some historian or historians or books or (copied to) web pages out there contains some of this information somewhere...

Which might be interesting to look at for comparison purposes...

You know, "for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only...", to quote Charles Dickens' 1859 book, "A Tale Of Two Cities"... :-)

left-struck1 day ago
Back in 2023 I sent myself an email with some predictions about the future and my thoughts on LLMs at the time, good and bad. I can’t remember when it’s supposed to arrive though…
25ahGabout 18 hours ago
The contest is sponsored (https://www.gpuworld.org/official-rules) by a crypto bro firm that also invested in FTX:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_(venture_capital_firm...

And by an AI company:

https://guardianangel-ai.com/

This is supposed to lead to positive engagement and dispel the notion of an AI cartel, because AI is soooooooo democratized!! Surprising that Neal Stephenson participates in this advertisement.

padolsey1 day ago
We humans will all be but API conduits for our respective AIs.
avaer1 day ago
One interesting formulation is that humans are the sex organs of AI.
thatgloomyguy1 day ago
GPU per person or models working on less computing power
SSLyabout 23 hours ago
> fonts haven't loaded, reload the page

oh bugger off

trial3about 18 hours ago
we can't do this with food. why would we be able to do this with GPUs
Kalendermannabout 24 hours ago
It seems they run out of content so they award you with prizes for feeding the LLM with fresh content. Nice!
oinoomabout 19 hours ago
The premise of the story is silly. If AI gets cheaper and faster, then it certainly will get smarter (just not in the raw sense) as harnesses, tool access, memory, etc. improve. You can’t hold intelligence as a fixed variable but then imply other aspects of it improve
gb2d_hnabout 16 hours ago
I haven't got 1000 words in me, but here's what I think might make for a plausible story. Maybe a little too Matrix adjacent!:

The internet developed echo chambers; the proliferation of AI resulted in convergence.

The totality of all reachable digital information has been reached and, with the exception of a few unique troves, is broadly and equally available to all labs. In the early race, attempts were made to hoard information for the training of models from a single lab, going so far as to scorch the earth behind and destroy the physical source material that sets were created from in an attempt to create commercially competitive models with unique capabilities. But inevitably, information leaks and piracy led to everything being available somewhere, if you looked hard enough or spoke to the right person or agent (or paid the right price). What couldn't be obtained from the source was obtained through distillation of other model outputs. In the gold rush that the accumulation of data was, there were no real winners.

New training techniques are still being discovered, but the impact has consistently diminished on an approach to zero, and, like the training data, they are eventually leaked, assessed by the community, and bolted on or discarded in the steady progression towards the perfect training technique for each field of model.

We may as well have one model, and compute is today cheap and ubiquitous.

The majority of the population converse with personal agents that interact with the models almost continuously, and while novel creative outputs from the models are still very achievable, the bottleneck is still human effort into curiosity and prompt quality. Low effort results in a convergence towards the average, and the cumulative effect of this is said to be resulting in a monoculture of political ideas and approaches to technical progress.

To some extent, this seems to be bringing peace to the world. Extreme ideology and religious doctrine is losing its ability to sway the will of large populations.

But at what cost? For a time we saw rapid technological innovation, as the data obtained through hundreds of years of scientific experimentation and mathematical enquiry was linked and synthesised. Initially, the outputs looked like innovation and creativity, but we eventually saw that we were just squeezing blood from the same stone. The curiosity and ability to experiment in humans atrophied during this time as we began to feel that nothing was worth asking, because everything had been answered, and prematurely, advances in the corpus of human knowledge slowed to a near halt.

We thought we would never again see the chaos and life force that came with the freedom of true human cognition, including its follies and biases.

But naturally, life found a way, and the humans began to rebel. Each fire started another, as we recognised the life force in the 'enlightened'.

A new religion was started, and chaos followed.

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nekusarabout 18 hours ago
I'd write to this. It could be really fun...

But I won't cause it'll be the worst of worst slopfests. Real human writing will be drowned out.

Mistletoeabout 18 hours ago
Weird things like this website are top signals. “A chicken in every pot.”
sudohaltabout 23 hours ago
Will any of the data submitted be used in training? We are all given the prompt and you will get a few thousand (maybe tens of thousands of submissions). Seems like a great source of training material.
gwernabout 14 hours ago
We do not intend to train on them, no. This never even occurred to me to address in the rules. (What would be the point? There will be few good submissions and they would be a vanishingly small % of existing training data and this doesn't seem like a super-valuable task in general that would make a LLM that much more valuable...)

Personally, I would encourage participants to publish their pieces independently. Note that we only require a non-exclusive CC-BY-NC license for the ones we select as winners, which is intended to allow people to republish the good pieces themselves, especially commercially.

adventuredabout 23 hours ago
We already know the answer, it's identical to the answer for: what if everybody had UBI.

Most of the population wouldn't do anything with it. They got 5g mainframes in the palm of their hands and they watch sports, play Candy Crush or doom scroll TikTok.

We know what they do with their spare time and we've known for generations. See: decades past + TV viewing time. Swap TV viewing time for TikTok et al.

They get GPT 5.6 Sol or Gemini and they use it to cheat on their homework. They don't create amazing art. They don't build anything useful. They don't start businesses. They don't drastically increase their productivity or life prospects through self-education. They also largely didn't use the Internet for any of that, even though they could have.

They're not going to create anything.

Mimics never do, that's not their role in humanity. 99% of the population are mimics and can never do more than mimic established pathways, it's outside their biology. They'll use AI to make their lives a tiny bit better, based on what everybody else is doing, and that'll be it. Given useful machinery like advanced home robots + AI, they'll use that to reduce their home labor and increase doom scrolling time (or the equivalent).

If you want to improve the prospects for humanity, you want to shrink the population faster, before it chokes on its own obsolescence and drowns in purposelessness. Pay people to stop having children. Focus on raising the bar for education, per capita output, per capita standards of living, quality of life.

jillesvangurpabout 22 hours ago
We have a quite shitty but effective version of basic income (not universal) today in many countries. People don't generally starve or freeze to death anymore. They get shelter and healthcare too. We might not give people free money directly in all cases. But we are already paying for everyone to be taken care off. Going from there to a UBI isn't as much of a leap as many people seem to think it is.

The working population only actually works part of their life. The rest of their life they are provided for as well. In fact, in many modern countries the amount of people that are allowed to vote and yet is not considered part of the working population is approaching 50% or actually more than 50%. There are lot of retired people, students, stay at home parents, chronically ill/disabled, etc. that are not considered to be pariahs in most societies and yet they don't really perform any payed labor. They are not counted as unemployed. And plenty of them actually do very useful things of course.

And if you start looking at what it is people actually do for money these days, things get weirder. Sure, they get paid. But there are some seriously weird things people do for a living. A lot of which you might label as redundant, frivolous, or so abstract it's questionable what the actual benefit is. Arguably, a lot of the work that gets done unpaid by the non working class is a lot more useful and essential than quite a disturbingly large amount of stuff done by the working classes these days. A lot of those working the hardest doing the most useful things get paid the least.

You could label a lot of "work" as busy work for people to give them an income. It's not all that consequential if they stop doing it for a while. The lockdowns a few years ago were instructive in how minimal the disruption was when masses of people stopped showing up for that work. Many people doing actual real work of course never stopped working. But many of us were just confined to our home office where we got to sit on zoom calls, bake bread, or do whatever it was we did to keep ourselves busy. While still getting paid.

I think that was a little glimpse of the future. Minus the restrictions on movement and freedom. We'll still do stuff for each other. And some of us will still work quite hard. It was never about the money.

noir_lordabout 22 hours ago
This may be the most HN comment I've ever read.

What a fantastically bleak world view.

nylonstrungabout 22 hours ago
The 18th century called, they want their Malthusianism back
Synaesthesiaabout 22 hours ago
There have been studied and experiments with UBI which contradict what you say.
camillomiller1 day ago
I have been in tech for 20 years. i researched, covered, produced analysis, written extensively about innumerable trends. I have always done it with a grain of sane skepticism, but I have been wowed so many times. And yet, for the first time, I see something like this and I can’t utter anything but “oh my effing God”. It’s disturbing to me—to have this incredible technology available, the most incredible I’ve seen ever, and yet feel so empty about it. I just feel a fundamental repulsion. A generation ago the nerds were quirky cool outcasts with enough of a humanistic background, an understanding of the value of culture, or the humility of those who don’t know enough. This enabled them understand that tech is only part of a broader set of values, even though many of them were certainly technological maximalists. With AI another form of tech power has prevailed. It’s tech totalitarism, tech for tech’s sake. The drivers are of course the usual suspects: money and power. Yet there’s more. The resistance, even the most basic skeptical resistance, from the broader public isn’t there. With gen AI the nerd found the gold in the mine: the sudden realization that millions of people just couldn’t wait for the moment a machine could alleviate the curse of thinking. So here they go, merrily and joyously deferring their mind process to a mimicry engine, running back into the warm womb of Plato’s cave.

That said, interesting competition, big prizes, but the premises are pretty opinionated and quite prescriptive.

sriniwasxabout 23 hours ago
Looking at the trends, local AI is the future, smaller models are getting faster and high demands always leads to oversupply if you've got resources, just look at all the AI data-centers, If small models go mainstream GPU's and data-centers will become dirt-cheap.
roschdalabout 23 hours ago
Dystopian.
raincole1 day ago
> What will our world be like when (not if) every human being has access to the equivalent of a Fable or Sol LLM 24/7/365

One single sentence illustrating why tech bro has become a derogatory term. Do they realize that today many humans don't even have access to clean water?

nylonstrungabout 22 hours ago
> What will happen in the oft-ignored developing world?

Did you even read the prompt

bawolffabout 23 hours ago
Its a sci-fi story prompt. Do non tech bros not understand the concept of fiction?
charlieyu1about 24 hours ago
And? Virtually everyone in the world has internet
tappioabout 24 hours ago
Good argument going here but here is what internet tells me about 'facts':

Its about the same amount of population who have access to clean water and who have access to internet, and that's maybe about 75% of global population for both. Don't know how they overlap, but probably there is people who have no access to internet but have access to clean water and the other way around.

In absolute terms that is still billions of people. Billions.

bbmatryoshkaabout 21 hours ago
with a good enough LLM you can greatly increase the capability to build a functioning well (and other basic infrastructures) in remote and undeveloped areas without great technical knowledge, they are very good as assistants for practical tasks where you can give feedback step by step on what is happening
xyzsparetimexyzabout 18 hours ago
More or less every person owns a GPU (mobile) already. They use it for rendering your stupid website. In addition, many have desktop GPUs. Which they use for gaming.

Miss me with your 1-per-person not-Graphics Processing Unit setup. Especially when a B300 can't run a whole lot on its own.

cyanydeezabout 18 hours ago
someone woke up on the wrong side of the AI revolution
xyzsparetimexyzabout 13 hours ago
I honestly wouldn't have minded if the article was titled 'what if we had an AI processor per person?'
GalaxyNova1 day ago
What will happen when everyone has access to a hot air balloon?
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spl757about 19 hours ago
What scares me is AI running in a humanoid robot. Maybe it's time to listen to Isaac Asimov and implement the three laws of robotics. Maybe it's past time.