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bix6about 1 hour ago
I’m a VC and agree with much of this. The mega firms have totally warped VC and the desire for massive cash appreciation has led to a host of bad characters getting involved. I still love working with early stage companies but it is hard to cut your own lane when these mega groups control so many aspects of the stack and have such outsized capital and political influence. There are so many issues destroying early stage VC right now. We need major policy change / guardrails but that won’t happen.
sneilan133 minutes ago
Is it possible to list the mega firms?
bix629 minutes ago
There’s lists out there but it’s $10B+ AUM like Andreeseen, sequoia, GC, etc.
cjkaminski40 minutes ago
Based on my experience on the fundraising side, I'm inclined to agree with your perspective. One small nit to pick: I think policy changes can happen. However, it's hard for me to imagine meaningful change occurring before a catastrophic event. How big would the blast radius be? Obviously no one knows, but I hope it's closer in scope to "The Collapse of Silicon Valley Bank" as opposed to "The Collapse of Lehman Brothers".
bix67 minutes ago
I don’t really have hope because big money controls politics. Everything gets steered towards capital’s interest instead of humanity’s.
watwut3 minutes ago
Apparently The Collapse of Silicon Valley Bank is not enough to force change.

The Collapse of Lehman Brothers is also not enough for long term change, also apparently.

exceptione41 minutes ago

  > but it is hard to cut your own lane when these mega groups control so many aspects of the stack and have such outsized capital and political influence
Are you able to shed some light on this? It would be interesting to hear what people like you come across.
bix614 minutes ago
There’s a lot so we would need to talk in person. But basically the power law is way too powerful right now. The impact that a small group of people can have is too much and it’s distorting things. This is not unique to VC, the concentration is insane right now across the board.
Henchman21about 1 hour ago
Y'all need ethics is what ya need.
bix637 minutes ago
I agree. Ethics is at the forefront of everything I do both personally and professionally. I used to serve on an ethics in business council. All the investments we make are grounded in genuinely improving the world. It’s unfortunate that so much money flows to certain VC firms when people like me exist since I reckon I’m much more aligned with what the general population wants.
bluefirebrand23 minutes ago
> It’s unfortunate that so much money flows to certain VC firms when people like me exist since I reckon I’m much more aligned with what the general population wants.

You sound like a pretty good dude

The study of Ethics is such a double edged sword. On one hand you have people who study ethics to think about how to treat people well, on the other hand you have people who study ethics in order to treat people as poorly as possible while still being "ethical"

I don't have a ton of firsthand exposure to the decision making process of huge corporations, but I imagine they mostly listen to the second group of ethicists

pixl9719 minutes ago
Ethics are always forced. In a society that does not force ethics in one way or another they will cease to exist.
reasonableklout16 minutes ago
Wow, TIL a16z hired the NYC subway guy as a partner purely as a political stunt. This on top of the $115M in the midterms, them no longer legally being a VC firm, and recent discussion on dark patterns in their portfolio [1]. I'm inclined to agree with the thesis of the article especially with regards to this firm. Looking forward to the other articles in the series.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49416055

jansport12312 minutes ago
a16z has always struck me as the shadiest vc - i associate them with NFT's, crypto and god knows what. They personify the amorality of chasing money over anything (Maybe indicative of SV culture these days in general).
fhubabout 1 hour ago
I was living in SF Bay Area when a16z started. They had good marketing and a good reputation. Their analyst posts were insightful and well received here. My perception of a16z has changed drastically. I’m ashamed just how badly that marketing worked on me in the early years.
clarkmoody35 minutes ago
To be fair to yourself, a16z could have changed over that time, and the marketing was honest early on.
r_lee29 minutes ago
I suspect this is what it is, the money got to everyone's head

not too long ago we were amazed at Apple hitting $1 trillion mkt cap and elon reaching $100 bil

now we're waiting for the first trillionaires to show up

bluefirebrand16 minutes ago
Elon Musk was already minted the worlds first trillionaire back in June wasn't he?

Pretty insane from 100 billion in 2020 to 1 trillion in 2026.

Not a sign of a supremely broken system at all

rconti24 minutes ago
I was thinking about this the other day in regard to Flock. There's simply no way this company will fail, despite the public outcry, because the rich people in charge will not _let_ it fail.
dv_dt11 minutes ago
Of course it can fail, just like the AI circular investment moves can fail just like the Soviet Union failed. Too much decisive power in too few hands, disconnected from reality, disconnected from competition, disconnected from outside community criticism. It fails open loop. A lot of money can temporarily buffer the failure, but already we see world wide inflation and interest rate increases from the open loop decisions of the most powerful class.
toomuchtodo17 minutes ago
Strong agree, spot on. There will always be wealthy folks behind the scenes who will arrange for the capital theatrics to land the way they want (Loopt was a failure and Sam Altman still ended up running YC because of vibes, Leopold Aschenbrenner blew up Situational Awareness and wealthy friends [Griffin and Citadel] bailed him out, for example). The best you can do is political recourse (note the wide social efforts to vote out folks who support data centers, and to have Flock contracts cancelled) and decouple from needing anything from any company who is controlled by these folks through cap tables, network, etc.

The game is rigged, operate accordingly. You are managing risk and threat exposure against threat actors who want to obtain and maintain control, influence, and power.

aliasxneoabout 1 hour ago
I've been in an interesting spot the last few months. I've pitched probably two dozen or so VCs and, and while almost every case showed interest, it was quickly followed by "rules" and "desires" that were antithetical to the product.

The product I am building is a decentralized trust system. The word "trust" is literally in the name. It requires very specific decisions and a very specific organizational and legal structure to be successful. Why? Because anything else doesn't breed trust.

But that's actually the problem. The VCs don't like those things, because in almost every case it relinquishes their control/power. Or, they ask us to do something either questionably or blatantly unethical in order to sweeten the pot. I was one of those founders "unaware of the Cancer Capital situation." After six months of pitching, it's become extremely obvious to me that the current VC system is incapable of funding anything ethical or long-term.

I don't know what the right answer is from here. Our current attempt is founding a syndicate of like-minded individuals to bootstrap a pre-seed. It seems like the only possibility where you might be able to maintain an ethical vision without fighting a cancerous overlord. We'll see how it goes.

r_lee35 minutes ago
I'm not saying the VC scene is great, but I mean what's in this for them?
PaulRobinson21 minutes ago
Yeah, you need to look away from private equity investment. Mutuals, co-ops, LLPs, there's lots of other models, but VC and PE money is not where you want to be.
lorepieri37 minutes ago
I'd be interested to hear how it goes.
ericdabout 1 hour ago
Well, is there a clear route to being a >$10B business? If not, it's probably not a good match for VC. But that's OK.
xyst41 minutes ago
Unfortunately your product doesn’t fit into Peter Thiel’s "vision" of the world.
exceptioneabout 2 hours ago

  > Since the Cancer Capital firms have become so powerful, the overall balance of power between founders and VCs has flipped; instead of founders having a company that VCs would try to fund, now VCs publish extremist political manifestos, and “founders” are just the people who are selected to carry out parts of those plans

  > The rest of the world doesn’t know: New founders and workers entering the tech industry are unaware that Cancer Capital has taken over, so many are still trying to play by the old rules, and can’t figure out why their ideas are being pushed into serving the goals of the Cancer Capital firms

  > These days, venture firms are increasingly getting their funds from pension funds and retail retirement accounts, meaning the public (you!) are increasingly holding the bag for the parts of their portfolios that actually have some risk, even if you never intentionally made that choice

  > Part of why this has gotten so corrupt is the way the Cancer Capital firms have transformed themselves into their post-VC forms. Because they’re not legally VC firms anymore, they’re free to buy shares directly from founders, or hold unlimited amounts of publicly-traded stock — exactly what they couldn’t do as regular VCs. They can even sell their investment in a company as an asset to another one of their own funds, and then book the increase in value as a profit, all without the company ever having made a penny. Another racket: a company that’s raised a bunch of cash in a funding round can buy out its early investors if they’re one of these post-VCs, so they can get paid off even if their portfolio company has never made a penny in profits or revenues.
Aka the classic dynamic of wealth concentration resulting in power concentration. Great article. One thing it does not mention is how much this small circle of people have gotten zero-sum leverage over the whole country, because when the surveillance economy collapses, America collapses. This wouldn't be the first time the oligarchy triggers a crisis with reckless financial games.
sghiassyabout 1 hour ago
It’s the second gilded age

Hopefully this one will pass, just as the first did

rgloverabout 1 hour ago
All things pass. The question is what the fallout will look like for everyone who doesn't have their hand in the cookie jar.
Henchman21about 1 hour ago
I'm more interested in what happens to those with their hands in. They need to lose those hands.
psadauskas32 minutes ago
The first one passed with a lot of regular people losing their homes, their jobs, and even their lives. I wish just for once we could have the wealthy elites get their comeuppance without it also screwing over everyone else.
mcmcmcabout 1 hour ago
The Gilded Age didn’t just “pass”. It was ended by strong unions and antitrust legislation (and enforcement). Passivity will kill us if we let the oligarchs have their way. Hope is not a plan. Appeasement will have no more success than it did in WWII.
malfist39 minutes ago
The long arm of history bends towards progress. Not because progress happens spontaneously, but because people bend it
garrickvanburen25 minutes ago
For a couple years, I officed out of a VC firm. It was terribly helpful in taking off the shine.
hirako2000about 1 hour ago
> But a cancer grows from a cell that a body needs in small, healthy amounts, and that turns deadly when it grows without limit until it harms, or even kills, its host

I thought a cancer grew from a defective cell that is able to divide and grow to over take the healthy ones.

pazimzadeh21 minutes ago
I would not focus on individual cells but the ability to grow super fast, which itself is not a defect since it's important during development, but the checks on this ability can be removed by later mutations/metabolic issues
lotsofpulp10 minutes ago
The problem is using cancer as a singular noun in this context.

>a cancer grows from a cell that a body needs in small, healthy amounts

"A" cancer does not grow from a cell, a cell is a cancer cell if it keeps dividing when it should not. The cancer cells as a collective are the disease referred to as "cancer".

If they had written

"cancer grows from cells that a body needs in small, healthy amounts, and that turns deadly when it grows without limit until it harms, or even kills, its host"

that would have made more sense to me.

megagpt6about 1 hour ago
"defective" is a label that we impose on the cell. The cell doesn't know it.
skybrianabout 1 hour ago
I’m skeptical of the implicit claim that they’re all the same. It seems rather difficult to prove?
cjkaminskiabout 1 hour ago
There is an explicit claim in the essay that says they aren't all the same.

Third bullet point says "a handful of venture capital firms have become 'do everything' funds that combine private equity with their existing VC businesses".

vrganjabout 1 hour ago
Maybe VC always has been VC? Maybe the cancer was always inherent to the system and the author only just now noticed it?
RicoElectricoabout 2 hours ago
Likewise, stock market IPOs are a parody now - not means of getting financing, but dumping the paper on the retail after for the insiders and VCs to realize their gains.
cbg0about 2 hours ago
Aren't all the insiders restricted from dumping their shares for a set number of months?
checkerabout 1 hour ago
The lockup period is still in effect (for now) but reductions to index inclusion rules expose the stock to passive vehicles like ETFs that are obligated to have a specific allocation on the stock. So now there is an essentially guaranteed demand established by the time the lockup period expires. NASDAQ allows mega-cap companies into the NASDAQ-100 after 15 days which is much shorter than the lockup period for 80% of the SpaceX shares.

15 days - Pump: get into indexes -> ETFs obligated to buy shares

After - Dump: insiders cash out benefiting from the price premium of demand for shares from ETFs

SwellJoeabout 1 hour ago
They're solving that problem. Look at Spacex. They not only got the rules changed for fast-tracked inclusion in Nasdaq and Russell indexes to pump the price on their garbage asset, they changed the rules so insiders could bail early. It was a one-two punch in service of making insiders richer at the expense of retail investors. Transparent corruption, where a few billionaires write the rules that allow them to reach into regular folks pockets.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/21/spacex-insiders-will-get-to-...

bix6about 1 hour ago
No. Look at the SpaceX lockup. It’s staggered with various groups getting ability to sell earlier than others. Well ahead of 6 months.
Analemma_about 2 hours ago
Yes, it's downright stupid to buy into any tech IPO these days. The fundraising and all the growth were done by the A-M rounds, while the IPO is the bag-dump for the last few rounds of investors. Stay far away.
lstoddabout 2 hours ago
But serioslly when IPOs were not a sad joke? In early 1990s? But I think never.
swozeyabout 2 hours ago
In my ~20 year career half of which were well funded startups I made it to one IPO (multiple sole proprietor sales) with a bigcorp and my prize was having 3 years to buy my stock options at the IPO day strike-price, which was higher than the stock ever was in my last 2-3 years there.

In the end I made my million(th) sitting behind a cubicle collecting 401k which none of those startups gave me.

lstoddabout 2 hours ago
At this point we must have a drink to that.
s1artibartfastabout 1 hour ago
Can you name a recent IPO that didn't put funds in the corporate coffers?

If the complaint is that people are investing in companies that are a Bad Bet, the solution is simple. Don't buy stocks that are you think are losers. That's the definition of insanity.

If someone wants to blindly invest money with zero diligence, then they have to be willing to accept the returns of a zero diligence bet.

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xystabout 1 hour ago
VC, private equity, angel investor, vulture capitalist.

All the same to me. All of these entities have ruined previous workplaces in one way or another. Effectively stealing years of my life that I put my labor into.

These rich cunts are the reason everything is shittier and the term "enshittification" exists in our modern vernacular

saasisdeadabout 2 hours ago
VC is basically just plowing capital into people that went to prestigious schools or maybe were at a top company. They collect fees and every once in a while a company hits.

Any analysis on the asset class is moot.

Most of the VC media is aimed at hiding the fact that its a lottery machine for a pre selected group

4d4mabout 1 hour ago
I think the letter V should be removed from VC to better reflect your point that these are barely ventures - they're more like a rigged casino spin for those that don't have the talent to do the building themselves.
SpicyLemonZest23 minutes ago
That's what the letter V was historically understood to mean. As the article says, venture capital used to be a small segment of the capital markets for the uncommon set of companies who can't prove their idea is any good until they get more capital than their friends and family have to offer. The idea that venture funding is supposed to be anything more than a rigged casino spin is upstream of quite a lot of the problems people have with modern VC.
shimmanabout 1 hour ago
You should add that they use pension funds to do this too. Easy to make stupid bets when it's not your money.
Henchman21about 1 hour ago
I'll say it directly, as _they have_: they are attempting to recreate fuedalism.

Those folks are in these comments. They'll get their pitchforks and torches eventually.

4lx87about 1 hour ago
VC is also exercising incredible power over media and politics. That's part of the article's point: VC isn't just about VC anymore.
s1artibartfastabout 1 hour ago
I don't think they are that squeamish about hiding it. VC's talk all the time about investing in people and understanding that their ideas May shift over time.

Tyler Cowen is a big proponent of pre-selecting talented people and not even requiring an idea. I think this is the model of Emergent Ventures (EV), launched in 2018, and is getting replicated in many places.

I think it is regarded as highly successful

ambicapter20 minutes ago
"Looking for motivated people willing to do anything for money"
0gsabout 2 hours ago
i can't believe the whole blog post was just the tldr. this is going to be a legendary series of blog posts! j/k i WOULD like to read the long version of this but i probably won't remember to go back to this blog.
alexashka44 minutes ago
VC was good when a guy with no technical skills raised 10s of millions of dollars. That was when VC was good, right?

This guy has been grifting his entire career but it's those other people who are the problem, guys!

He's not wrong about VC but he's another Chamath - a guy who grifts a thing to death, moves on to the next grift and goes 'look, that grift I'm no longer doing - it's bad, very bad!'

mikeaskew4about 2 hours ago
This reads like someone who can’t make smart bets “before it’s obvious.”

Lots of VCs out there still taking big gambles on the agendaless and unproven ideas.

bkoabout 1 hour ago
This is all silly and as best as I can read it due to very vocal large VC managers having politics the author doesn't agree with.

Take a look at the bullet points. It's just scattered random conflicting complaints.

VC is small and is now big (okay...)

They're not even VC anymore, they're doing all sorts of other investments (okay and?) Oh and they don't really care about their returns, but they grow fast (what? I'm pretty sure VCs care about returns). You know what else grows fast? Cancer!

Now that they're large, they have power over founders (why? there's other sources of capital). And they use companies to push their politics (seems much more complicated than just paying lobbyists).

And did you know pension funds invest in this stuff?(which is bad?)

There's an argument against large VC, but this ain't it. Talk about misaligned incentives, how they push aggressive tactics without regard to the founders, who may not be indifferent between a 50% chance of building a company to $10m to a 1% chance of building a company to $1b

Or just say "I don't like the politics of [VC related person]" and save everyone time.

exceptioneabout 1 hour ago

  > And did you know pension funds invest in this stuff?(which is bad?)
Not if this were something healthy. This wouldn't be the first time joe average is holding the bag when the rich set the house on fire again. The USA economy is particularly brittle (as in: not diversified) in that regard.

I can understand how the article might conflict with personally held notions and thus might look odd, especially as the weird dealings of the tech accelerationists do not find much press coverage. The only thing I can do is recommending to keep your mind open for new info, the article mentions he will follow up on the bullet points. The author has another previous article [1] that references Paul Krugman's article "The rich are crazier than you and me"[2], that might be an interesting read alongside the other pointers. As an aside, I also recommend to watch the video at the end that goes into Andreessen hiring murderer Daniel Penny.

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/06/opinion/robert-kennedy-jr... 2. https://www.anildash.com/2023/07/07/vc-qanon/

4lx87about 1 hour ago
"politics the author doesn't agree with" = racism, hatred, calls for ethnic cleansing, dismantling of the democratic government, open support for fascism... all being coordinated and advanced by a cabal of extremely wealthy VCs. Yeah those politics.
52ahfabout 1 hour ago
Anil Dash writes what people want to hear (except for boring medical analogies).

He writes against Big-AI, but supports AI (small?) and copyright theft at the EFF, where he is a board member.

I'm getting tolerated opposition vibes here.

random3about 1 hour ago
agfsabout 1 hour ago
Do you think people who suspect tolerated opposition would not also criticize A16Z? How about investigating controlled opposition financed by A16Z or others?